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ah, i bow to the power of your widely representative sample
That's a pretty stupid response really. IME women in IT are paid as much as men.
OK looks like I will go back to my original theory that women earn less because they are stupid.
I am well qualified for the job I do and take home whatever the taxman leaves me with - although this will soon be 16% less due to short time infliction
i wasn't aware this was a discussion about salaries in IT.
Graham, those figures are meaningless unless they're stated across the same industry...
Fair enough, then you need [url= http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/ASHE_2008/2008_age_occ.pdf ]2008 Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings (ASHE) - Analysis by Age by Occupation[/url]
Mean wage for 18-21 year old Women working as "Science and technology associate professionals" is £13,706
Mean wage for 18-21 year old Men working as "Science and technology associate professionals" is £16,486
Feel free to examine your occupation of choice (though take note that many don't have enough samples to be reliable).
Looks like women are slackers.
BA(Hons) Architecture
DipArch
Soon to add my final qualification to the list.
...and not enough money and I'm 29.
Comfortable
RIBA
work in a care setting,24 hr care for adults with learning difficulties living in the local community, worked in the same job for the past 19 years, salary of 20-25K depending on how much weekends worked etc, great job, not the best paid but lots of satisfaction and probably the best job security along with nursing...
Ph.D in Geology
I used to earn about 40k as a lecturer and reseacher.
and now work in the oil business in Norway - do much less and earn much more
Ph.D in Geology
I used to earn about 40k as a lecturer and reseacher in Switzerland
and now work in the oil business in Norway - do much less and earn much more
BEng CEng MIStructE
35euro/hour when I can get work (contracting short term due to lack of employment opportunities)
I've yet to see a post where someone earns 'big bucks'
Really?
B Eng, M Eng, ACAMore than £60k, less than £80k.
I'm sure most of us would be happy with that?
not really big bucks nowadays though is it
mrmichaelwright, are you having a laugh??
Late to this thread. Dunno and tbh dont care how much a mate or other rider earns or what they do for a living. I work with and have known people in London who ask you a few questions based around '££' then make a snap decision on you. Shallow to say the least.
Reminds me of the two lovely ladies I met at the top of Holmbury, I stroked their dog, talked for a while and bid fairwell. She never asked me what I did for a living, how much I earned etc. From what I learnt later she owns alot of Holmbury. A slice of Surrey. The impression I did get of her was that she was warm, down to earth, engaging and highly inquisitive (definitely the last part as she asked me alot of questions!)
B Eng, M Eng, ACAMore than £60k, less than £80k.
That looks to be the highest salary here, and is certainly a lot of money.
Do you think you are overpaid/underpaid or about right?
The impression I did get of her was that she was warm, down to earth, engaging and highly inquisitive (definitely the last part as she asked me alot of questions!)
Bit of a munter then 😆
Mate of mine obviously earns a fair amount, judging by his company cars and his house. More telling though is his laidback attitude (switched off about work/money etc) and intelligence. I think those two are more telling of a person than 'hey what do you/I earn£££'.
I was once introduced to someone socially who was at Logica when I worked for IBM. One of the 1st things he asked me was how much I earn! Incredible really.
I think many people would think I'm paid a lot so my response to Luther is that I'm paid what the market dictates! If I lose my job, as I could if people stop spending money on big IT projects, then I'll probably find salaries are lower than I am on now. Part of my pay is based on the project nature of my work with a fair bit of travelling which I dislike. At least my skills - Oracle Apps tech - is likely to always be useful for something.
I have a degree in nursing, plus various other health related qualifications, did my penance working for the NHS earning the usual rubbish, 20 - 30K. Now work Offshore up and down the coast of West Africa. Suffice to say i earn a shedload more than when in the NHS, and i get 6 months of the year off. However, there are plenty of guys i work with who earn a LOT more than me (£100 - 130k plus) who left school at 16 without any qualifications at all. The oil world is about the only place where you can earn this sort of dough without any academic background.
When I read threads about what people earn, I'm always stunned by how much more people earn to look after computers and suchlike than to look after people.
HND Building Studies
MSc Construction Management
10% less than I did 2 weeks ago - still, at least I've got a job
Didn't finish a degree & have a few industry qualifications
£40-£50K working in the satellite comms industry, probably nearer £40K this year
But like others I'm in the NE of England & things are a bit cheaper here.
Well in business it's easier to work out what to pay people as market forces work things out pretty well. If a company wants me to do some work for them then my company charge them as much as they think they can get away with. Very easy for me to see what I'm worth to my company.
Not saying it's fair that nurses and teachers are paid less than others but no idea what the answer is.
I don't have the answer either, it just seems a sad sign of what's important to our society.
In our local authority you get less per hour as a home carer than you would stacking shelves in Tesco. Just because some jobs are more vocational than others, shouldn't mean people are exploited.
Graham, those figures are meaningless unless they're stated across the same industry. I would imagine more young girls would work in different industries to young boys.
And that's also part of the issue/problem.
I mate of mine works as a solicitor. He used to get paid 25% of the money he brought in which meant an annual income for him of £50k to £60k - the rest obviously going towards various costs and then the excess taken by the partners. Now he's a partner so should be making good money out of the non-partners....
Learning disability Nurse
Degree qualified
£26k
According to many on here I'm an overpaid, overpensioned workshy layabout.
I'm an overpaid, overpensioned workshy layabout.
Glad to see you're self-aware 😈
Irrelevant qualifications:
MEng (Mechanical Engineering with Aeronautics)
Relevant qualifications:
SMBLA
ML
BASI 1
Salary: My contract (which I had to write and pass to the lift pass office to qualify for a cheap pass) says I earn 1euro per month. It's actually less than that.
With a bit of luck, that might be worth about £20k a year the way things are going...
Masters Degree in Chemistry, about the UK average (3 months into my Job). No dependants etc. Living with my GF in the NE so costs are low.
Thinking about paying off the student loan and buying a house so keeping outgoings to a minimum so resisting the temptation to spend all my money on a new bike...
I'm always stunned by how much more people earn to look after computers and suchlike than to look after people.
My wife is a doctor and she earns considerably more looking after people than I do tinkering with computers.
But yeah, ancillary care and the like is undeservedly badly paid.
Another one in the oil industry here, and also self employed, so I'm on a salary of £420 / month. Overall income is over £70K depending on number of days worked, and how much I leave in the company etc. 2 weeks on, 3 weeks off. Suits me, but it's not for everyone I suppose.
You know what gets on my t1ts is that people consider 'what you earn' as some measure of 'who you are and what you are like'. Bolax.
It ags me that service type industries pay **** all - nurses, carers, teachers blah blah you know, these are all teh fabric of our society and yet they are renumerated really badly in my view. As said before we get paid shed loads to manage the security of computers which, lets be honest, isn't exactly mega ultra critical in most cases. Its crminal what we charge but we're cheap in the market really.
So anyway, someone asked me this question the other day. I actually don't know because I own the company and hadn;t really added it up - so i did. Now, i don't live in a flash palace, drink champagne and have servants. I do have a nice house thats paid for, a decent car and some nice bikes etc - thats all just stuff. I'm the same bloke as i was when i earned nothing, and its also not about luck. Its about me taking a risk 5 years ago, selling almost everything i owned and eating ****ing beans for 3 months then not paying myself for a year while i worked my nuts off. Thats not luck, thats called working. This isn't c0ck waving in any way shape or form but the fact that i don;t go around flaunting my "wealth" is about who I am as a person. And on the question of megabucks - we turn over around 2.5M a year and I'll take home about 35% of that.....before tax which of course i avoid like everyone else who is self employed ;-)But I'd be surprised if any one of my friends has any idea other than i earn alright money and get the beers in sometimes (I am scottish mind....).
as a self employed carpenter i was earning 600-700/week in UK just over a year ago (dependant upon jobs/how much weed we had). in germany, working longer hours (7-4.30, not 8-3), working generally much harder during those hours and not being able to toke all day long i was earning 350/380€ a week. pay doesn't improve much over here. not many chances to increase what you earn unless you become a "meister". that involves financing yourself for a year (minimun) through college. no employer is willing to pay for you as that would mean you can set up your own firm and would subsequently be competition for them.
i chucked the job in end of last year and am now training to be an english teacher. germans love learning english and will through €€ at their kids so that they don't get left behind a year in school. english is also expected for many 'office' jobs and companies often have people come to teach their staff once a week. don't know if that will continue given i know of several people who have been made redundant due to companies going into admin...
should be looking for 30€/hour.
rents are much cheaper here and really don't want to be spending my time indoors when the alps are on the doorstep. will be looking to work around 15-20 hours/week, leaving lots of time for the outdoors.
money isn't everything. living is.........
Got several qualifications but they all count shite towards achieving £££ or happiness.
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O levels & A levels. Went to Uni. dropped out. accidentally got a job in IT. 21 years later, still in IT, I can't complain about my salary. That's all I'm saying.
Mate of mine, handmade boiled sweets for Dobsons for years. Now works in the diving industry (his passion).
1 year ago;
BA European Studies & German (4 years study, completely irrelevant), Certified IBM Lotus Notes Engineer (1 week 'study') c.£62k
Now;
Studying MSc Environmental Sustainability. Income from part time job; £70/week if I'm lucky.
Fed up, but optimistic for the future. (Today I'm optimistic, not always)
Really intresting thread.......but lets put in this one
approved social worker approx 28k per annum, able to section an individual or take a child into care dealing with safeguarding........... underpaid or overpaid???
I am not a social worker but given all the issues of protecting vulnerable individuals it seems a low wage to attract peopel to a diffucult post
approved social worker approx 28k per annum, able to section an individual or take a child into care dealing with safeguarding........... underpaid or overpaid???I am not a social worker but given all the issues of protecting vulnerable individuals it seems a low wage to attract peopel to a diffucult post
Massively under-paid and over-worked.
[i]I am not a social worker but given all the issues of protecting vulnerable individuals it seems a low wage to attract people to a diffucult post[/i]
Why?
I've personally experience Social workers. Albeit a few years ago. Even at a tender age I worked out their minds were elsewhere/it was a chore and they were doing us a 'favour'. Things may have changed but alot of press I read connected for me.
That position isn't revenue generating and isn't skilled. I doubt very much that they actually offer any cost-benefit either (as in it's not something that can be easily made to work). It will appeal to a personality type that isn't primarily focused on money. So... I'd say that's a generous salary.
I love it when the IT engineers talk other people's jobs down.