[Closed] Wearing A Tie At Work.

Why I don't need a tie at work: Our last CEO

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Ultimately I'd rather be underestimated than overestimated.

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I'm looking forward to returning to a corporate environment after a good few years freelance. Suit was only worn for meetings after that whatever the hell I liked, normally shorts and a t shirt.

To me if you are going to dress formally then it must be done properly, anything else makes you look like a muppet. Last job I had where formal wear was required I tended to wear shirt, tie and trousers with a sports jacket or blazer in summer, if I was in customer or supplier meetings the suit was wielded ( always a 3 piece). Any time we left the office it was jackets back on. If you were going down into the shop floor it was safety boots and a white lab coat with tie tucked into your shirt. If you were going to actually get your hands mucky then it was a boiler suit sans tie. Saturdays you could wear what you like. On St Andrew's day I'd wheel out the kilt - which did look a real treat when coupled with a lab coat and safety boots!

I hate "business casual" it just makes blokes look like they are an extra from eastenders or a purveyor of Peruvian marching powder. Not sure how I'm going to go for this new job as it is sort of formal, the issue I have is my hair is now quite long, coupled with a beard, but the role will involve a fair chunk of hands on. I'm thinking decent jeans, decent open necked shirt, waistcoat and a tweed sports jacket for day to day (safety boots to be worn). Suit of formal days, kilt for St Andrews of course.

What do you think folks?

JulianA - Member
What kind of scruff wouldn't want to wear a tie????

Current contract: Every day (usually a bow tie) except Friday for me, almost always with Chinos and a cotton shirt. Fridays are for smart jeans or red or orange trousers with a linen shirt. By choice.

Other contracts: Suit when required.

Ties are smart.

You've not mentioned why the job would be right for you. You just moaned about wearing ties. If the job is right, the dress code should barely register in your decision. Do you really want the job?

If you do then wear a bloody tie.

Ties wear if you're comfortably or required. Don't ever look like the "My Boss Makes me Wear this" as it shows you would rather be somewhere else.
In my world suit no tie is fine and acceptable, much smarter than the "made to wear a tie" lot.

Not really worn one in 15 years except for some very important meetings.

The only other rule is never judge somebody by what they are wearing.
For a few years I worked in places that required a full change into works issue clothing for some stuff, there was a power crazed idiot who went off on one and basically told a huge group of people there was nothing they could do to speed him up, he worked at his pace and he would be there to sort them out when he felt like it. Turns out there was a very senior manager in the group nicely disguised as one of the workers.

and to the OP

I know that it's discriminatory as he doesn't insist that woman have to wear skirts as evidenced by them all wearing trousers.
Being new to the job if I accept it means I'll have to go and buy some rather than stand my ground and refuse but I REALLY detest the things.

I wear a suit, tie, waistcoat and nice shoes to work.

I actually wear a tie casually frequently.

I suit ties.

More people should look dapper.

Sometimes I have a moustache.

If the company CEO thinks the company image would be reflected well by wearing a tie, why not? Its not like he's asking you to wear assless chaps.

The software company I used to work for was trendy, so we all wore trendy clothes. The shareholders loved it, they thought they'd bought into a young, fresh, Google-esque development house.

Actions speak louder than words, but some people are shallow, and image really does matter. Especially to stakeholders and shareholders.

Ties are for shop assistants and school children.

Embrace your inner cowboy

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Being a software developer, I wear our uniform of shorts and flip-flops (not with a bolo tie). Occasionally local customers do pop in to see us when we all, every-time use the excuse that we are actually on leave and have just passed by the office to pick something up, which also makes the customer grateful to have caught us.

women are swanning about in sandals and a floaty dress of some kind.

And that's a bad thing because ... .?

I have spent the last 7 or so years happily only wearing suit and tie when with clients. Sadly we have just had an edict from the us that we now have to wear suits all the time. I absolutely detest the things for a number of reasons, chiefly that 1 my father is right, I will always look like a sack of spuds badly tied in the middle in one, and 2 the heat in the summer getting to work will be evil in a heavy black suit. Tubes are hot enough as it is. Oh yes, and I am usually an odd shade of purple ten minutes after doing my collar up, slowly turning blue as the day goes on. Refuse to go up another collar size as it means admitting I am a really fat biffa.

Anyhow, it's a shame but have to accept it if I want a job, I agree. In a rush if blood to the head I went out and ordered a tailor-made suit a couple of weeks ago. Madness. I will still resemble a sack of spuds!!

Fridays are for smart jeans or red or orange trousers with a linen shirt. By choice.

They'd have to be I'm sure there's laws about making men wear red orange trousers against their will, best not start on the chinos.

the heat in the summer getting to work will be evil in a heavy black suit

There's your problem - no need to wear a heavy black suit. Other weights and colours are available. I like suits because they make you look smart with absolutely zero effort.

Being a software developer, I wear our uniform of shorts and flip-flops (not with a bolo tie). Occasionally local customers do pop in to see us when we all, every-time use the excuse that we are actually on leave and have just passed by the office to pick something up, which also makes the customer grateful to have caught us.

So you're admitting your 'uniform' isn't really acceptable to customers? That seems even more odd than objecting to a tie!

Where I worked one lot who occupied a large open plan office on the top floor had to wear ties.

I worked in a similar office on the ground floor and wore tee shirt, shorts and sandals then jeans or casual trousers with trainers in the winter.

No sense in it whatsoever, but as has been said if you don't want to do it look elsewhere for a job

I work for a large consulting organisation and even we don't wear ties all that often. Suits and shirt without a tie are the normal, with occasional wearing ties if we're at a customer where their folks wear ties.

Today is in fact one of those days where I will be wearing a tie as I'm visiting a customer that's a bit old-school about that sort of thing.

I don't actually mind wearing a tie but i would detest being forced to wear one. its mainly just shirt and trousers in here, but there are the odd few in stonewash wranglers with polo shirts, and then there's some in smart suits with ties. dress code isn't enforced. i tend to dress semi smart - trousers, shirt but with knit wear so i don't have to iron the shirt! i hate summer.

as an aside. its an old argument but if women can wear skirts we should be able to wear shorts. i started to turn up in shorts at a previous job years ago. not luminous bermudas or owt but smart dress shorts with a shirt and rolled up sleeves, it was a head turner at first but the next day a few more turned up in them and by the end of the week loads of us were in them. we got a memo form management saying long trousers only, we responded saying fair enough as long as this applies to women also, then the next day there was another memo retracting the first! Hurrah!!

dresscodes are pre-historic. golf clubs are the worst for it, but ive played squash at some exclusive places in London and they make you wear all white on court, or try to. i just apologise i say i didnt know. they also expect you to wear collar, jacket and tie in the bar afterwards! wtf is all that about!? dicks.

I used to have to wear a tie. Dress code was pretty strict. Can't say it really bothered me, particularly as everyone else in the firm had to dress the same. It was to ensure we sent the correct message to clients (ie because we are wearing ties you can rest easy that we are worth the £600 per hour we are charging you 🙂 )

Now I'm the client. Today I have no tie and a bit of a beard, something that would have had me sent home previously.

I genuinely don't understand why people get their knickers in a twist about dress code. It's not like they are asking you to wear something ridiculous. Plus it's their business, they get to decide on the image they want to portray.

I hate ties simply because they are uncomfortable. Why would you have to wear something that's uncomfortable in this day and age? Weird.

There's a bloke here who wears a suit and tie every day and he looks far scruffier than most other people.

If the op wants ties I'll send him all mine from the 80s.

Just for balance not wearing a tie doesn't make you a creative, free thinking power house.

I hate ties simply because they are uncomfortable. Why would you have to wear something that's uncomfortable in this day and age. Weird.

Ties are only uncomfortable if you've bought the wrong collar size, so it's too tight.

A tie doesn't tie-up your shirt, it covers up your top button and can be loose if you like.

Not that many people wear a suit and tie these days, so it feels a bit anti-disestablishment to wear one for me - at least in all the industries and companies I've worked for (large multi-nationals).

Meh, I see ties as a little bit 'old-skool' now in the workplace. Much prefer the look of a simple suit, shirt, and no tie. Modern, clean, and effective.

Ties are only uncomfortable if you've bought the wrong collar size, so it's too tight.

I think it's great that the OP's first thread is going so well .
No messing about with any of that "what tyres for my first £6.000 bike ?" ,well done.

I wouldn't want to be forced to wear one all the time but there is nothing wrong with a jacket and tie. I find them quite comfortable and practical when travelling and meeting people.

But I’m not a fan of the full grey suit look. Too much risk of being mistaken for a balliff or an accountant.

[i]Ties are only uncomfortable if you've bought the wrong collar size, so it's too tight.[/i]

Utter rubbish.
Ties are only [i]comfortable[/i] if you're used to wearing them.

[i]I think it's great that the OP's first thread is going so well[/i]

I'll have to get some tips! I can't even provoke a response with "I saw Jesus with his fog lights on in the rain."

"what tyres for my first £6.000 bike ?"

If my bike was only £6 I would leave the tyres alone I reckon 😉

DezB ,I lurk on all your threads without posting 😈

I genuinely don't understand why people get their knickers in a twist about dress code.

[i]DezB ,I lurk on all your threads without posting[/i]
Right! I'm lurking on this thread from now on!

[i]You genuinely dont understand why folk dont like wearing clothes they dont like wearing [/i]

But like it or not, people WILL judge you by what you wear. So sometimes, for work, it just makes sense to dress to the persona you want to project, even if you hate the clothes.

I agree that some shallow people will judge my ability to perform a task based on the clothes I wear Do you wish to argue my ability to do my jobs alters with the clothes I wear?
Why do I need to adapt for idiots 😉
I dont mean it that extreme but you get my point

I get the point sometimes it matters but for most folk for 99% of the time it does not matter what they wear.

We have a dress down Friday and Jeans for Genes days. it has not cost us any custom.

Just for balance not wearing a tie doesn't make you a creative, free thinking power house.

Of course not, everyone knows it's the sandals.....

Utter rubbish.
Ties are only comfortable if you're used to wearing them.

What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?

You genuinely dont understand why folk dont like wearing clothes they dont like wearing

No, I genuinely don't understand why some people get so terribly upset at having to stick on business dress, or why those same people would take a job somewhere they'd be so terribly upset at having to wear the clothes they don't like.

I'd quite like to wear shorts and t-shirt to work, but I won't because the people who pay my wages wouldn't think it was appropriate. If it bothered me that much I'd get a job as a lifeguard.

We have a dress down Friday

We have no dress code and yet the people who do 'dress up' for work all seem to dress down on Friday. Always makes me smile....

We have no dress code and yet the people who do 'dress up' for work all seem to dress down on Friday. Always makes me smile....

I used to work somewhere that did an unofficial dress down friday. It highlighted to me why they had a dress code for the rest of the week...some of the things people used to wear 😯 Many people (men in particular) can't be trusted to dress themselves appropriately for work.

The tie is the ultimate symbol of corporate oppression, the wilful acceptance of the tie is a sign of a sinister adherence to oligarchical hegemony, most wearers are happy to comply as they themselves wish to be part of the hegemony, knowing full well they never will but their aspirations, like their love of white Germanic cars is based upon their lust for material wealth !

The tie is the ultimate symbol of corporate oppression, the wilful acceptance of the tie is a sign of a sinister adherence to oligarchical hegemony, most wearers are happy to comply as they themselves wish to be part of the hegemony, knowing full well they never will but their aspirations, like their love of white Germanic cars is based upon their lust for material wealth !

Amen brother. Stick it to the man, wear that shirt open necked!

Just for balance not wearing a tie doesn't make you a creative, free thinking power house.

I genuinely don't understand why some people get so terribly upset at having to stick on business dress.

You can disagree but not understand???? I can understand your view whilst disagreeing with it.

[i]But wearing a tie does make you a pro-establishment conformist. I can see why the management might like that. [/i]

Unless you work in an office where most people don't wear ties, which makes a statement about you views on your non-tie wearing managment.

I don' think anybody's getting 'terribly upset'. I mean, you can have an opinion on something without losing sleep over it.

then me telling you AGAIN is pointless#:roll:
You can disagree but not understand???? I can understand your view whilst disagreeing with it.

go out for a walk, it will help clear your head.