[Closed] Wearing A Tie At Work.

I was going to say something deeply profound but then I caught myself in the office window and realised my tie had slipped a little .....

Has the tie stopped the blood supply to your brain? I am not the one who is claiming to not understand a position that has been explained to me.
We disagree but really not understand and then silly personal attacks 🙄

At least you look nice even if you dont act nice so we have th emost important thing covered eh 😛

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I was going to say something deeply profound but then I caught myself in the office window and realised my tie had slipped a little .....

Could be worse, you could be a consultant and have to wear a tie....

Weird how poeple think a bit of cloth knoted round their neck makes them some how more proffesioanl or more likely to get paid more, or even more valued in their workplace.

INDIVIDUALITY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN DRUMMED OUT OF THE WORKFORCE NOWADAYS, YOURE ALL CLONES OF SMALL SCHOOLBOYS.

[i]What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?[/i]

DezB ,I lurk on all your threads without posting
Right! I'm lurking on this thread from now on!

I knew someone would make it difficult for me.

Personally, I regret the demise of the bowler hat.

I spent 20 years at a military establishment, dress code for the officers mess was jacket & tie at lunch, tea & dinner apart from Tues & Thurs when a lounge suit was required for dinner. Shirt (no tie) & jumper was OK for breakfast, there were different rules for weekends and when shirt sleeve orders were in operation. It all got very confusing.

If you were visiting a different officers mess you could be sure that they'd have a different dress code - normally resulting in somebody politely asking if you'd like to borrow an ill fitting jacket and an egg stained tie.

These days I rejoice in going tie-less most days 🙂

Hmm, haven't seen a tie in years around here, apart from big offical dos.

Even ze Germans have stopped wearing them.

Heres my fave, I wear it on special occasions at work.

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Weird how poeple think a bit of cloth knoted round their neck makes them some how more proffesioanl or more likely to get paid more, or even more valued in their workplace.

The vast majority of people don't. But there are enough idiots who think making an effort with your clothes is more important than with your work to make it a safe bet.

FWIW I've not worn a tie at work since 1998 when I worked for one such idiot. If I have to dress smartly as a consultant, on customer sites, I wear a jacket. No-one else wears a tie unless they want to.

Weird how poeple think a bit of cloth knoted round their neck makes them some how more proffesioanl or more likely to get paid more, or even more valued in their workplace.

INDIVIDUALITY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN DRUMMED OUT OF THE WORKFORCE NOWADAYS, YOURE ALL CLONES OF SMALL SCHOOLBOYS.

Why is not turning up in a t-shirt frowned upon? Culturally it's smart to wear a suit and tie. Doesn't really matter what your opinion is, culture drives this behavior.

When I turn up in work in a suit, waistcoat and tie people tell me I look smart, and generally compliment me. If you're inclined to compliment someone, you're obviously a person of interest and likely to psychologically hold more influence.

I would regard anyone turning up to a meeting in a waistcoat as either some sort of spiv or they've got a snooker match to go to afterwards.
Written wearing jeans and a merino top

If you're inclined to compliment someone, you're obviously a person of interest and likely to psychologically hold more influence.

I can assure you people's dress sense has never been mentioned in any pay / promotion review team I've sat on!

I'm not talking about pay review, day to day influence in a commercial business environment.

If you don't work in an environment where people dress in a suit and tie, then I guess you just wont get it.

[i]I would regard anyone turning up to a meeting in a waistcoat as either some sort of spiv or they've got a snooker match to go to afterwards.
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Yup, if you want certain people to view you in a certain way, dress appropriately. Sometimes a tie might makes sense, sometimes it won't.

When I turn up in work in a suit, waistcoat and tie people tell me I look smart

BTW I seem to recall that waistcoats were quite the thing once upn a time with collarless shirt and jeans.

So, ties and why don't I like them?
Well, I don't like to be buttoned up around the neck. Tie loosened and top button undone looks messy. May as well not be wearing either tie or shirt.
I don't like the way it dangles over my desk, keyboard, in my soup, all over the item I'm trying to fix.
I don't like them tucked into shirt - looks stupid.
I dabbled with bow ties once which at least don't dangle, but it doesn't help with the buttoned up feeling either.

PS - I don't like teeshirts as office attire, but then I tend not to wear them anyway.

Has the tie stopped the blood supply to your brain? I am not the one who is claiming to not understand a position that has been explained to me.
We disagree but really not understand and then silly personal attacks

At least you look nice even if you dont act nice so we have th emost important thing covered eh

If you read my post you'd probably realise that I don't wear a tie.

You seem to be taking issue with the meaning of my use of one word, "understand", which is why i suggested you head outside for some fresh air, it didn't seem worth arguing over. It wasn't a personal "attack".

I wore a waistcoat on my wedding day. That's the single time in my life I've worn such an unnecessary piece of attire.

Wow! I mean......WOW!
I like this forum.
I've decided to take the job. I've let the 'introduction' person know. I need to go shopping for shirts, ties, trousers (I only own jeans and they're not allowed either) and 'smart' shoes.
A serious question though. Is a v-neck plain jumper, shirt, tie, black trousers and black leather shoes acceptable in a smart and/or business dress coded office acceptable?

What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?

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[*]They serve no purpose other than to show off to other people. My boss is 250 miles away, customers do not visit this office, who am I looking good for? The Sales team? Wow, you managed to tie a knot this morning, well done, have a biscuit, keep this up and you'll be progressing to shoes with laces next.[/*]

[*]They get in the way. Day to day I'm as likely to be crawling round under a desk patching cables as I am to be attending a senior staff meeting; a long strip of cloth tied in a slip-knot around my throat and flapping about the place is flat out dangerous.[/*]

[*]This may be fixable by throwing money at the problem, but dress shirts do not fit me. What sort of a retarded way of buying shirts is "collar size" anyway? I'm a skinny little runt with a neck that's received years of abuse in rock clubs; if I buy a shirt with a correctly fitting collar then there's enough surplus shirt material billowing in the wind to make me look like a yacht. No doubt I could go to that Charles Whatshisname place you lot all favour and get a couple of weeks' worth of fitted shirts, but I'm not about to spend several hundred quid on posh shirts for me to wear whilst halfway up a ladder with my head in the plenum.[/*]

[*]I can't wear long sleeves for any length of time. My hands suffer from hyperhidrosis, meaning that they're prone to sweating excessively. It used to be a massive problem when I was younger - putting my hands together to say the Lord's Prayer at school, sweat would be dripping off my elbows by 'Amen' - I've largely grown out of it as an adult, but close coverings on my wrists and forearms make it kick off. I'm sure nothing says "classy" quite like a suit with yellowing cuff edges, whilst I mess about with electronics with wet hands.[/*]

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You seem to be taking issue with the meaning of my use of one word, "understand", which is why i suggested you head outside for some fresh air, it didn't seem worth arguing over. It wasn't a personal "attack".

What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?

I wuz gonna say, they chafe on my crotch. But Cougar's post will do if the obvious is needed to be stated 😉

[i]I like this forum.[/i]

Fool.

We I was in the garage ,suit wearing reps got less budiness as they weren't motor trade,just reps.
Reps in jeans were certainly more "trade" and thus got the orders.

[i]?They serve no purpose other than to show off to other people[/i]

Or, in the context of a business meeting, it could show that you care enough to make a bit of an effort. Same reason you might wear a tie to a funeral or a wedding - to show a bit of respect.

it could show that you care enough to make a bit of an effort.

... which is what I said, you're showing off for the benefit of other people. (-:

I'm not arguing against ever wearing shirt and tie. I'm just arguing against their daily, mandatory wear. I'd always go suited and booted for a job interview, say, or to a new client meeting.

Hm, conclusion: if you're wearing a business suit, you're in the business of persuading people?

[i]Hm, conclusion: if you're wearing a business suit, you're in the business of persuading people? [/i]

Or if you wnat people to believe you are a "technical expert", always have a couple of pens in your shirt pocket. 😀

which is what I said, you're showing off for the benefit of other people.

Cougar, do you stick a tie on at funeral, or do you think that's showing off?

And if you're an engineer, a pencil behind your ear.

They serve no purpose other than to show off to other people. My boss is 250 miles away, customers do not visit this office, who am I looking good for? The Sales team? Wow, you managed to tie a knot this morning, well done, have a biscuit, keep this up and you'll be progressing to shoes with laces next.
They get in the way. Day to day I'm as likely to be crawling round under a desk patching cables as I am to be attending a senior staff meeting; a long strip of cloth tied in a slip-knot around my throat and flapping about the place is flat out dangerous.
This may be fixable by throwing money at the problem, but dress shirts do not fit me. What sort of a retarded way of buying shirts is "collar size" anyway? I'm a skinny little runt with a neck that's received years of abuse in rock clubs; if I buy a shirt with a correctly fitting collar then there's enough surplus shirt material billowing in the wind to make me look like a yacht. No doubt I could go to that Charles Whatshisname place you lot all favour and get a couple of weeks' worth of fitted shirts, but I'm not about to spend several hundred quid on posh shirts for me to wear whilst halfway up a ladder with my head in the plenum.
I can't wear long sleeves for any length of time. My hands suffer from hyperhidrosis, meaning that they're prone to sweating excessively. It used to be a massive problem when I was younger - putting my hands together to say the Lord's Prayer at school, sweat would be dripping off my elbows by 'Amen' - I've largely grown out of it as an adult, but close coverings on my wrists and forearms make it kick off. I'm sure nothing says "classy" quite like a suit with yellowing cuff edges, whilst I mess about with electronics with wet hands.

What you're saying is - ties are not for everyone, and they are appropriate in some situations for most people.

I agree. 🙂

do you stick a tie on at funeral

I also made it pretty clear that sort of attire was not required at my wedding. I think some people put more thought into what they would wear because of that. That meant we got some great pics of our friends and family dressed in some great outfits.

Yep - i wear one through choice and make all of my 11 engineers wear one in the office too

It is not a dress code throughout the company, but i think it shows a higher level of professionalism

They are all happy to conform - if they forget their tie, then i make them wear the nasty yellow one i keep in the drawer - stains and all 🙂

I can't see how dressing as a bank manager is respectful or in any way celebrates someone's life.

It is about respect though, but respect isn't based on your own opinion.

In [i]your[/i] view, people who wear ties look like bank managers. However, that view isn't held by everyone and perhaps not by those at the funeral. At a recent family funeral a close friend of the family, who we never see in anything other than shorts, wore a suit and tie. To me, this was unnecessary, but my family noticed and were grateful that he had made a special effort on a day that was so important to them.

In work, someone else has spent a long time creating that business, along with the image and reputation it enjoys. If the person who employed you says that you should dress appropriately to continue that reputation, by refusing you're being a bit disrespectful IMO. If you don't agree with how they do things, you'd probably be better off working elsewhere.

the grey area is obviously when you asked to wear business dress when it makes no difference at all (e.g. sat in your office all day without meeting any clients). On those days I stick on pretty casual clothes, but as soon as I need to be out and about I'll stick my suit on. I don't want me or the company to be perceived in a negative light by the client, it's not my judgment call to make since it's not my business.

If it bothered me doing it their way, I'd have to suck it up or set up my own business where the policy was to not dress smartly when meeting people who will be paying your bills.

respect isn't based on your own opinion.

As for funerals I tend to wear my kilt with a Gilly shirt so no tie is needed , I assume I have shown enough respect despite the absence of a tie

Not sure what funerals have to do with a "Wear a Tie at Work" thread, but anyway, at my great Aunt's funeral, I just wore a black shirt, no tie. I was a pall bearer too. I'm pretty sure none of my family thought I was disrespectful! Pretty certain a few of them thought "I wish I hadn't worn this tie" though 🙂

[i] I tend to wear my kilt[/i]

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The vast majority of people don't. But there are enough idiots who think making an effort with your clothes is more important than with your work to make it a safe bet.

Sure, but... This depends on your business. Sometimes the sort of person that's impressed by suits and boots isn't the sort of person you actually want to have anything to do with. Frinstance, my brother's in av/light and sound, he used to suit up for pre-contract meetings, his unscientific findings is that it does make a difference in landing business but the extra business it lands is mostly bellends who put style over substance and will end up being bad customers.

Unrelated; my boss is angling for higher management and is definitely putting in a bit more effort these days. He's got a new line in waistcoats which I have to admit are as sharp as **** and really suit him, and would work brilliantly... But as it is, in this post-Mumford and Sons world, it makes him hard to take seriously because everytime he talks you can't help but wait for the banjos to kick in after the fourth sentence.

^^ Does he read Beta Male 😉

Of course a tie can get in the way when you're crawling around under a desk fixing cables and stuff - that's a very good time to be wearing a bow tie (tied, of course: none of that clip-on rubbish).

Of course a tie can get in the way when you're crawling around under a desk fixing cables and stuff - that's a very good time to be wearing a bow tie (tied, of course: none of that clip-on rubbish)

What are you wearing that with? Nice expensive trousers to be on your hands and knees in?

funny this thread, just wear a tie you scruff

What are you wearing that with? String Vest, Leather Lederhosen, Jack Boots, Trillby, to be on your hands and knees in?

FIFY

Not a problem at work for me as ties are banned, as is any of your own clothing as an outer layer.
Best thing ever IMO all my work kit gets laundered for me too 😀

My boss.... He's got a new line in waistcoats which I have to admit are as sharp as **** and really suit him, and would work brilliantly

Am I your boss?