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yes indeed the older (black only) ETA equipped Pelagos had less text. they added the 'Pelagos' and the 'chronometer officially certified' when it got the inhouse movement, hence adding 3 lines! I don't mind it. its a very very clear watch to read the time on. However I can see why it gets criticised. why not say 'automatic' and save 2 words? do they need the 'chronometer officially certified' on the dial? could put 'COSC' on if it is such a selling point? Does it need 'Geneve' at all? If it were me I'd probably not bother with geneve, put Pelagos to the top half under Tudor and have 'COSC, Perpetual' and the depth rating.....but then 'perpetual' is big brother Rolex's term....but then Tudor used to use 'Oyster' so that shouldn't matter....whatever, yes 5 lines of text is a too much. Yet to find the perfet watch I guess.
For sale....one Tudor Pelagos smurf ....hmm...maybe not
. That is a fair bit of script for a watch face.
Saves on reading material, even more of a win 😉
The hex "screws" on that AP Royal Oak are actually blind nuts. The bezel is held on by screws that screw into them from the back. The slots are to hold them in place when the screw goes in so the corners of them and the recesses don't deform.
Agree that there are many, many much prettier things in the world to blow £20k on tho 👍
for comparison the older ETA equipped Pelagos (which only came in Black) had a much cleaner dial
That 2 line pelagos is lush. Reminds me of the old no date sub with its uncluttered simplicity.
or rather....the Tudor snowflake submariner
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Tudor looks lovely!
I also have a bit of a beef with unnecessary writing on a watch face. Surely 'Chronometer' implies that it is officialy certified? What else would a self-winding watch have other than a rotor?
The worst is Rolex spoiling the Deep Sea Dweller with an enormous "ORIGINAL GAS ESCAPE VALVE" around the chapter ring.
Anyway, rant over. I'm craving a diver myself at the moment. There are some nice ones from Certina and Tissot in the £500 bracket, but predictably the one I really want is the Ball Skindiver 2 at over 2k. Not looking likely anytime soon 🙁
true, chronomenter does mean certified. I agree its got too much text. i love it though, the colour is fabulous.
Yes, the colour is great, and it oozes quality. Loving that clasp!
@cb200 - Orient do some nice looking automatic divers, the Ray II is quite affordable
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orient-Black-Automatic-Rubber-AA02007B/dp/B01AK5TQNG/ref=pd_sbs_241_5/257-8575957-8531314?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01AK5TQNG&pd_rd_r=8417e29d-8176-49a9-bb4c-66b908a3ff86&pd_rd_w=qaD7g&pd_rd_wg=fy9gk&pf_rd_p=2b420a2f-6593-478e-8b5f-cb43865ff16f&pf_rd_r=37KE6RRCYA3B1PDMZTCT&psc=1&refRID=37KE6RRCYA3B1PDMZTCT
Oh, and that Tudor Pelageos is rather lovely, even with all the text. I think I prefer it to the older model with the ETA movement, the bezel looks just a bit too wide on that one.
Oh, and that Tudor Pelageos is rather lovely, even with all the text. I think I prefer it to the older model with the ETA movement, the bezel looks just a bit too wide on that one.
I prefer the older one though I agree with you about the finer edged bezel looking nicer so I think it must be because the dial looks so much cleaner.
Orient do some nice looking automatic divers, the Ray II is quite affordable
They do, but that Ray is way overpriced. You can pick up a Mako for about £120 easily enough, and less than £200 will get you a Kamasu with sapphire.
They do, but that Ray is way overpriced. You can pick up a Mako for about £120 easily enough, and less than £200 will get you a Kamasu with sapphire.
Not really familiar with Mako or Kamasu, but Heimdallr who make the Tuna homage I’ve got do a whole bunch of dive watches, including a Tudor homage some of which are around the £120-159 range, they’re priced in dollars, mine was £145, and I’m really impressed with the standard of finish.
Especially considering the shroud mod I was considering for the SKX007 was £160 on top of the cost of the watch.
Which, btw, is up for grabs, if anyone wants it. I’ve put the original rubber strap back on, and given it a buff up, looks absolutely brand new.
I'll take that off your hands, if someone else hasn't bagsied it already Count. Will PM you later. Cheers!
BTW if you haven't noticed, Omega put their prices up 5% at the start of the month. I'm guessing Rolex will do similar in the next few weeks.
I thought about the superfluous text on the tudor last night and looked up the Geneve marking. it is seens as a step up from 'swiss made' apparently. So I guess 'Geneve' is seen as a selling point to watch geeks, but they can't take 'swiss made' off or non geeks won't know the Geneve trumps it. I guess 'chronometer' vs 'COSC' vs 'chronomenter self winding' is similar, only geeks know what cosc or just chronometer mean. However Tudor, please ask yourself, do you need to shout all your achievements on the dial? the case back has plenty of room.
I thought about the superfluous text on the tudor last night
Most manufacturers do it to an extent but it can definitely be done better with less info or a more subtle typeface. The Spinnaker (3 lines)on P30 or the Kamasu (logo +4 lines) on P28 are examples of relatively subtle branding/info on a dial. Granted neither of those have the same heritage or features to shout about as Tudor but you've hit the nail on the head asking "do you need to shout all your achievements on the dial?".
I’ll take that off your hands, if someone else hasn’t bagsied it already Count. Will PM you later. Cheers!
Thanks, replied to, it’s now boxed, waiting for an address to go to the post office tomorrow.
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if that has worked its me trying another strap
Looks even better on the wrist, and shown off in better light. Really nice diver. I think the plain blue nato is my favourite of the three so far.
It's a nice looking watch neil, but appears massive. Is it a 42mm case?
Different opinion to cb but I like it on the bracelet. I reckon it would look great on a rubber strap. What's the lug width?
Agree re rubber strap; my favourite on a diver. The Nato possibly makes it look bigger on the wrist, as it elevates it a bit, as well as the excess strap being visible at the top lug.
As far as the case size itself goes, that's ideal for my tastes.
Bracelet all the way for my money, I think the blue NATO detracts from the watch as the focus.
It’s a nice looking watch neil, but appears massive
It is nice, the diameter doesn't look huge but the lug to lug looks to be quite big, that and the NATO is making it sit up on rather than conform to the wrist. Try wearing the NATO single-pass, it'll settle in to the wrist better - you'll also lose that ugly bunch of strap on the side (I know, "it's a feature not a bug" but I've never got why people like it!).
It's just my personal taste I suppose. My favourite watch is my 40yo Seiko 5 with a 36mm dia. If you squint or I think it looks a bit like a Rolex Oyster Perpetual. I like 36mm to 40mm.
On modern larger divers it always appears to me that a Nato is not enough strap for the watch.
I'm not a massive fan of NATO straps because of the fold of excess length and the way it stands the watch off the wrist. These 2 piece ones look good, if not a bit pricey. Watchbandit
Anyone do similar a bit cheaper?
’m not a massive fan of NATO straps because of the fold of excess length and the way it stands the watch off the wrist.
Totally agree, I like a NATO but hardly ever wear them the normal way - give your existing NATOs a try worn single pass, you'll be surprised what a difference it makes. You'll still have the excess to deal with but it'll be under the wrist, not poking out beside the watch. And the second loop is superfluous anyway unless your watch is a very slack fit across the lugs and tends to slide off the strap when you take it off. I'm half inclined to just cut the extra bits off mine altogether.
It's 42mm. But sure if they includes the crown, I'll check. My po is 41.5mm across the crown and I'm well used to that. Both are also thick watches. The Tudor appears larger as the case sides are flat, the lyre lugs and large chamfers on the po make it appear much smaller. The Tudor still slips under a shirt cuff ok. My wrist is between 6.5 and 6.75" so not thick bit I'm happy/used to 42mm thick watches now. The slab sides of the tudor are what really makes it appear larger. If put the end links back on and cut down/notched the NATO it would look quite different I think, the rubber strap (supplied) is made to fit with the end links and hide some of the height of the watch. Personal view but I think that looks a bit weird having the end links on.
I'll post up some more photos later as it's on another strap today...a few more to try yet too.
Lug with is 22mn which is large. Steinhart Ocean one is the same, po is 20Mm iirc. One of the straps I might get to try is a seatbelt nylon NATO, blue edged in grey. I think the grey will match the Titanium well and I'm wondering if the strap would look less wide as a result of the edging.
Oh and since the tudor is very light, unlike the po which very very heavy, so wearing it is much comfier. I'm used to the po now, but swap to another and I'm reminded it's a hefty lump.
Looking at the photo of the blue and yellow NATO, I'm wearing the strap quite loose and the strap had only just been fitted and hasn't conformed yet. It is making the watch look very tall.
johnners, I'm wearing a NATO on my paratroopers Vostock like that right now. It's better, but the way the extra loop folds then the spare back on itself and tucked in there's 5 layers under my wrist! It's probably the reason this one doesn't get worn so often.
I'd love to see the Tudor on the rubber strap Neil
EDIT - I give up, how do you put photo's up on this site now?
Where's the photo hosted? If it's Google you need to put it in a shared album, grab the address and paste between IMG and /IMG but with square brackets around those. Or you can use apps to turn the Google sharing link into the embed code and just paste that.
tthew, yes, I know what you mean. I'm generally OK with it but there's always a lot of superfluous fabric somewhere with NATOs and I'm happier with it under the wrist rather than stuck out by the side of the watch. You could just cut off the extra loop and reduce it to a mere 4 layers! Or have you tried a French Para strap? They're a bit flavour of the month but I find them very comfortable and there's a max of 2 layers anywhere. Nowhere near the choice or value to be found with NATOs though.
The Tudor OEM NATO for the black bay is a bit different, with sewn in place spring bars and no extra step. I believe they may wear better. Once I have a colour/design settled I might get the scissors and needle and thread out for a bit of strap modification.
Or have you tried a French Para strap?
No! Not seen those before, will take a look. Ta.
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There's a magazine?
38.75mm and 73g - bit cheaper than the Omega Superlight.
38.75mm and 73g
Not 73g with the bracelet, Shirley?
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You are right - 68g. It's ahem, tiny and you just don't notice it's there.
Not quite this Omega then.
Ahem, erm, yes, obviously 73g is way too heavy, that's what I meant.
Seriously though, that seems remarkably light even for a quartz. I've 3 or 4 bracelets that would be that without the watch head! It does look compact for sure but not properly tiny. It looks really nice.
right, a photo from today
I've pulled the sweather cuff back so the watch peaks out and I think you'll agree the watch doesn't look so big here. Note my hand is still resting on the table and that tends to push the strap up and lift the watch off the wrist.
same in this one, I've pulled the jacket cuff back as the watch was neatly tucked under. No its not a small watch but I'm happy with its size. (but then tbh I'm happy with a 36mm too...various sizes are all good imo)
and from this morning, with a fleece on that must have short arms so you see wrist. Watch look a bit bigger here but note i tend to prefer a loose strap and the watch has slid down to my hand by the look, which makes the watch look larger.
BTW,what do people think of today's nato? navy blue and wide white tripe?
Whie i can understand Jhonners coment I'm not looking to wear this on a bracelet. My PO is my daily and ives on a bracelet. it s a far more luxury watch and dresses up very very well. This is not that type of watch, its a much plainer tool watch, much plainer case and far far far plainer dial. I think the NATO fits a tool watch fine. I went for a blue watch as I want a summer/weekend fun watch and a colourful NATO will hopefully enhance that. I've bought 6 or 7 different colours/patterns to try. they are all very cheap, 99p to £1.19 iirc, once I settle on a design I may get a better quality version
Neil, if you're totally anti-bracelet I'd still think plain dark (navy or black) strap to set off the lovely blue bezel and dial but if you're really after a pop of colour then maybe a contrasting NATO? Scarlet or crimson are the most obvious complimentary colours but that'd take some carrying off. Worth a go if you've a line on decent cheapies? I can't wear watches as far down the wrist as you, I've a proper gert nobble in the way (see above with the flieger!) and wearing it below that usually means the crown's digging chunks out of the back of my hand.
BTW I think that watch looks a perfectly good size on your wrist.
Now if I were to go for a rubber strap then this crafter, which costs i believe, an extortionate amount for a rubber strap, is the look I'd want. As you see the strap is thickened and curved to neatly fill all the lug space (its 7.5mm there, the strap at the buckle is just 3.5mm)
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However the OEM rubber, although I'm sure good quality, looks very different. it uses the bracelet end links to fill the lug space and ...I just think it looks weird.
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btw, the pelagos comes as standard with the bracelet AND the rubber. the Black bay used to come with its (not quite so good)bracelet and a nato, (with options for a leather) now it just comes with one strap (unless its the harrods Special edition, which still comes with black nato and bracelet at the same price). the OEM tudor nato is not cheap..but its good. its quite a bit different. it doesn't have the extra flap of material and the spring bars are sewn in to little pocket/loops in the fabric. I can't find a good photo but you might get an idea from this one
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Cheers Johnners, I want comments like that. Since natos from ebay are super cheap I'm just trying them to see how they look. I'm quite 'set against the bracelet' I can see it is a good one, its very very comfortable, and looks good, but yes I'm after more POP. I see what you say about the plain blue nato. could people see the watch on the plain blue nato? or was that one not visible? its the wife's favorite so far, and today's navy and wide white stripe (a la Derekstarship and his Scurfa One) is second. I am considering a contrasting and LOUD coloured strap but feel a bit nervous! Scarlet might work though, I'd considered either vibrant yellow or neon orange but scarlet hmmm might work well! hmmm I'm now thinking of the tudor OEM one for the black bay scarlet
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but I'll also try as you suggest as I have them, and show it on a plain black, a traditional bond and a daniel craig bond (you've seen the steinhart on the traditional bond).
I also fancy this one for a go....think the grey edging will match the case beautifully. Tenner is a lot for me to pay for a nato though! (its a seatbelt nylon)
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that should have read Im NOT quite set against the bracelet.
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A good friend of mine showed me one of her watches that had just come back from the jewellers – I nearly fainted when I found out how much it cost!!
I'm a bit late to the party but I'm going to call fake here. I think the over polished 'screw' heads drew attention, but when opening the above pic in imgur and zooming in you can clearly see the minute counter sub dial printing is way off with the minute markers around 20 touching the step but at the opposite side theres a clear gap between the tip of marker and where the step is.
Here's the same watch on AP's website to compare.
On the tachymeter scale you'll notice that if the red 75 line was extended it would hit the 5 whereas on the genuine one it would go right between the 7 and 5. Then there's the centre holes on the sub dial hands which don't appear to be centered...
Just because your friend is minted doesn't mean they would never wear a fake. Plenty of millionaire slebs have been called out on social media with fakes on their wrists, but it's also possible your friend thinks it gen and has paid accordingly. This one was posted earlier in the thread and I have my doubts with the same reasons as listed above.
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This old lady getting a bit of wrist time lately. Love how clear the dial is for a chrono.
Valjoux 7750 movement and nearly 20 years old, lume isn’t as strong as it once was but still keeps great time.