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Just got vent, just been to the recycling centre and there's big notices up saying from June the 1st you need a free permit to dispose of inert waste, soil, bricks, rubble etc. even if you're in a car (I can understand vans / trailers etc.). Pretty stupid idea thinks I but I probably go 3 or 4 times a year with some DIY waste of this sort so I'll be good and apply for the permit. Get on the website and find the permit caps you to 10 bags of rubble per year). I get the impression there will be a pay per tip scheme in place after this.
I can not believe they're even contemplating this, we have enough fly tipping issues locally as it is and now they are making it difficult for the people who are prepared to load up the car and take it to the tip to do so. Of all the waste types as well, people are most likely to dump soil and rubble on the verge. Making it difficult & expensive will not stop people producing this sort of waste.
The pay per throw charge is going to be £ 3.50 per bag, graded gravel and sand costs half that from B & Q.
So if you live in Lancashire expect to start seeing piles of rubble with broken sinks on the top littering the road side.
Stupid stupid stupid
I'd be starting a 'waste land' area in my garden and bringing in a few broken trolleys and a fridge with the door off to give it character 🙂
They've started trying to restrict it around here - 5 bags a month or something. Fortunately we're on the edge of another LA's area with a tip only 3 miles away and they have no restrictions so everyone just goes there...
Seeing as the council has to pay a landfill tax to the government , and pay staff and pay for equipment and buildings, then the days of free tipping of heavy stuff are long gone.
I have a van permit for our local recyling centre (free) and i can only use it a certain amount during the year, causes absolutely no problem, i find reyuse, recycle , sell or giveaway stuiff seriously reduces the amout of waste i generate for landfill, perhaps vent your anger at the politicians, local councillors who are trying to stop the abuse of recycling centres by alleded diy nuts, who are actually traders and dont want to pay for a skip or pay by load.
EA are cracking down on flytiping, and now have the power to seize vehicles used to fly tip, from fiesta to lgv.
Also local farmers are always on the lookout for brick and rubble to pack out field entrances, cheaper than buying hard core for them and cheaper than the fine they gfet for leaving mud on the road.
I've never really understood why there's a limit on domestic 'rubble'. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me
i recall conversation at local tip that went like this dumping green waste for composting:
"saw you earlier in week"
"yep got a big garden, plus do mother in law's and a friends who has MS...this lot is from the community centre though, just done the hedges"
"community centre - that'll be commercial then" 🙄
Don't even bother with the one in Chester anymore. Get asked a long list of questions just to drop waste off. I was disposing of stuff previous owner of my house left in the loft, I was on about question 12 of trying to catch me out, by now and was told as it wasn't technically my waste I was tipping for someone else? I couldn't be bothered so the wife went the next day and dropped it off, the staff even unloaded the car no questions asked.
Seeing as the council has to pay a landfill tax to the government , and pay staff and pay for equipment and buildings, then the days of free tipping of heavy stuff are long gone.
Yep fully understand that but it's still cheaper than having to send a wagon out to collect the fly tipped stuff that is mixed with fridges, tyres, asbestos and other nasty's.
I predict a lot of the garden waste recycling wheelie bins will get a lot heavier in the future.
Just had a quick look at the neighbouring county, as with wwaswas I think I'll be heading next door, they have a restriction but it's six bags per visit free which is actually quite reasonable.
Anyway off with my second load today, got to get in before the ban so to speak.
None of the above stipulates how big the bags have to be, I can see a niche market of friggin huge bags becoming available to counteract it.
None of the above stipulates how big the bags have to be, I can see a niche market of friggin huge bags becoming available to counteract it.
My tip has the unofficial rule that if you can lift it into the skip on your own it counts as one bag.
This is one of my bug-bears.
I went self-employed around 8 years ago, and wanted to be fully legitimate, so went to the local Council and asked about a Permit.
£35 to apply.
But you need EA Registration first - £150 for 3 years.
Then £5 to use a specific tip.
Then, a minimum of £42 each time I go in - they do a minimum of half a tonne each time.
My waste is low volume,and lightweight, so it would be difficult to get 100kgs in 6 months.
So, summing it up, I'm better off taking it home, storing it until I have a car load, then take it in the car to the tip. I'd gladly pay to tip it, in my works vehicle, but they make it too expensive to do it.
Madness.
If they charged each time you went to the tip - 100kgs, then ~£8 pro-rata, it would cut fly-tipping overnight, as the cost of tipping legitimately would be so low that it wouldnt be worth risking the small chnce of a fly-tipping fine.
As it is, I have never paid the Council for dumping, but have took it in a car every so often.
Again one of the zombie bureaucrat stooopid idea. They never learned to do things properly but have the tendency to give others the headache. They should be voted out. 😡
I dabble in a bit of waste management for work.
Dealing with waste is hugely expensive.
And once you've stood at the bottom of an old quarry looking at a 40m mound of assorted rubbish you began to appreciate how big a problem is. Last time I looked its about £80 a tonne landfill tax. Thats only the tax not the running costs of the whole waste management infrastructure.
The service is there to deal with waste from an average residence why shouldn't there be a limit on how much you can dump.
Its important to seperate what the rules are and how some staff behave aswell councils have their fair share of arseholes like any other employer.
his is one of my bug-bears.
I went self-employed around 8 years ago, and wanted to be fully legitimate, so went to the local Council and asked about a Permit.
£35 to apply.
But you need EA Registration first - £150 for 3 years.
Then £5 to use a specific tip.
Then, a minimum of £42 each time I go in - they do a minimum of half a tonne each time.
My waste is low volume,and lightweight, so it would be difficult to get 100kgs in 6 months.So, summing it up, I'm better off taking it home, storing it until I have a car load, then take it in the car to the tip. I'd gladly pay to tip it, in my works vehicle, but they make it too expensive to do it.
Madness.
If they charged each time you went to the tip - 100kgs, then ~£8 pro-rata, it would cut fly-tipping overnight, as the cost of tipping legitimately would be so low that it wouldnt be worth risking the small chnce of a fly-tipping fine.
Same for me, I now price a small skip on every job and if the customer doesn't want to pay then they have the option of disposing of all waste.
I'm not paying a small fortune to take other folks waste away for them for free.
I've never really understood why there's a limit on domestic 'rubble'. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me
Especially as this kind of waste won't go to landfill as it's easy to recycle it into roadstone etc
Well I've done 3 trips today, I reckon on Monday that would have cost me £ 105. The aggregate and cement to fill it back in cost me around £30. It's not a big project, just a decorative wall about 5m long and around 4 bricks high, the debris has been the soil from the 1ft deep footing trench.
Doing a little more research the council claims its a result of the cuts, guessing they won't be paying for the fly tipping to be cleared up either. I wouldn't want to be one of the staff at the tip for the next few weeks when they tell people who don't know about that it's going to cost to dump their rubble. More worrying is this the thin end of the wedge, next will it be pay per bag now for general rubbish as well?
will it be pay per bag now for general rubbish as well?
We do.... it's called council tax.
I took 7 car tyres to the local recycling centre last night (which is open till 8 every night!!).They gave me a hand unloading :0)
It might encourage people to think a little more creatively. There seems to be huge amount of stuff at the dump that could have a better life. We knocked down a lean to and built an extension without any skips or that many trips to the dump. Rubble was recycled on site as sub base, doors and ok timber went to the wood recycling project, soil mostly went on freecycle.
TBH I'm pretty sure the dump could be run at a profit if it was better organised anyway.
We have a green bin for garden waste, which has been free. Wiltshire CC did a consultation to see the best way to cut costs, and the most popular option was to stop collection during the winter months, and keep it free the rest of the year.
WCC decided that as that was the most popular choice of the three, they'd ignore it and go with a blanket £40/year charge for garden waste.
Guess what's likely to happen to most of that waste in the future, waste that can be used for commercial composting, which the council could make money from.
Idiots. 😡
TBH I'm pretty sure the dump could be run at a profit if it was better organised anyway.
It could if they let folk take things worth taking. As it is it gets dumped regardless.
Don't even bother with the one in Chester anymore. Get asked a long list of questions just to drop waste off. I was disposing of stuff previous owner of my house left in the loft, I was on about question 12 of trying to catch me out, by now and was told as it wasn't technically my waste I was tipping for someone else?
an elderley chester customer of mine got fined 70 a few weeks ago for putting his bin bags out the day before, being in his late 70,s and suffering memory loss didnt matter.
This is being implemented across Lancashire
Blackburn being a unitary authority though isn't charging so I expect their tips will be busy soon
[i]I can not believe they're even contemplating this[/i]
I can, as for some reason the 'powers-that-be' seem to be on a different planet.
Here is another one:
It does this by taking advantage of the Employment Allowance, a tax break for businesses introduced in April 2014 that allows them to reduce their NI bill by up to £2,000. It was intended to make it easier for small businesses to take on extra staff.
Stupid allowance anyway, as just with two staff you're already over limit - so you aren't going to take any staff on but it just reduces your NI bill.
Lots of fly tipping appearing here in the Peak. Stanage, Dirtlow Rake, random bin liners and a string of tyres between Fox House & Owler Bar. Mostly builders waste - kitchens, commercial fridges, bathrooms - lovely way to treat a national park.
I am already seeing a lot more fly tipping around here, without warning they swapped everyone's wheelie bins for ones half the size, We now fill this in a week and it gets collected every other (was fine with the bigger bin) So I have to make at least 2 trips to the tip every fortnight.
Then when you get there you get
"what have you got in the car?
"4 black bags"
"i'm only supposed to let you bring 3"
then next time
"what have you got in the car?
"2 black bags"
"why did you come all the way here just for 2 bags?"
🙄
How are on earth are you filling a wheely bin in a week? Do you recycle anything? Ours is about 1/4 full in two weeks. We often don't bother putting it out.
We now fill this in a week and it gets collected every other (was fine with the bigger bin) So I have to make at least 2 trips to the tip every fortnight.
There is an alternative - try to throw away less! I have a friend (who admittedly is a bit bonkers) who has thrown away less than a bag of rubbish in 5 years. She goes to extreme lengths to reduce her waste production but it still proves the rest of us could do better. It's about input and output- input less stuff into your household that one day will be outputted as waste.
At least make a statement with what you can't fit in your bin by collecting all your excess packaging and returning it to the customer services desk at the supermarket for them to deal with rather than taking it to the tip.
Most recyclable waste is packaging, most supermarkets have recycling areas, try dropping stuff off there when you shop same with plastic bags, they can be recycled at most supermarkets.
How are on earth are you filling a wheely bin in a week? Do you recycle anything? Ours is about 1/4 full in two weeks. We often don't bother putting it out.
erm well because it is a tiny one... that is the point.
All food waste and carboard plastic glass etc goes in seperate recycling boxes.
At least make a statement with what you can't fit in your bin by collecting all your excess packaging and returning it to the customer services desk at the supermarket for them to deal with rather than taking it to the tip.
So they can tip it instead.
I've just moved and now need a permit for dropping anything at the local tip. £3 a visit charge if no permit.
As I found when helping family in NZ clear a garage, they don't seem to have any equivalent of a tip/dump there. Just regular rubbish collections, an occasional large item round, and anything else you dispose of via commercial outfits and pay for the privilege. With the cost of operating local tips, I can see them going the same way. Not sure it's a bad thing either to be honest.
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Don't even bother with the one in Chester anymore. Get asked a long list of questions just to drop waste off. I was disposing of stuff previous owner of my house left in the loft, I was on about question 12 of trying to catch me out, by now and was told as it wasn't technically my waste I was tipping for someone else?
Bumper road? Really? I've fitted a kitchen and bathroom at my fiancée's in the last 18 months, disposed of all the old stuff, bags and bags of rubble....a Mondeo, seats down chock full each trip, never had any questions.
an elderley chester customer of mine got fined 70 a few weeks ago for putting his bin bags out the day before, being in his late 70,s and suffering memory loss didnt matter.
Fiancee has fallen foul of that too, did seem harsh, what's more or seemed she never got informed of the policy.
So they can tip it instead.
Exactly. You'll catch on why this is a good thing when you give it some thought.
...but I'll explain it: once the supermarkets get stuck with the waste disposal cost, they will mercilessly harass their suppliers to reduce packaging waste.
We already recycle a lot, we have 4 bins, 1 240 litre (standard size) for general rubbish which is filled every two weeks, 1 240 for garden waste (this is the one I don't understand), 1 240 for glass, metal and some plastics and a 120 for paper & cardboard which is also full every fortnight.
Expecting consumers to reduce the waste from packaging is bonkers, it needs to be done through legislation on the producers and super markets although ironically this is already there to some extent, the supermarkets just pay for the excess packaging.
Everything they do to reduce waste is backwards. I was actually in the recycling industry 20 years ago when it all started properly, even back then they had it wrong, taxing landfill and setting up recycling schemes, this just led to piles of sorted rubbish nobody wanted. Tax raw material use so it is more expensive than using the equivalent recyclables and you suddenly have yourself a naturally self sustaining industry rather than what we have now which is always on the brink of going bust, the dip in oil prices recently really hit the plastics recycling market.
Blame the self employed gardeners/tradesmen using an old estate to take all their trade waste and expecting the council to pick up the cost.
If they/you want to be responsible you should either price in a Hipposkip/or proper skip for collection from the customer for larger jobs, or store the waste at home and get a skip every few weeks for the odds and sods from smaller jobs.
The Lancs recycling centres are actually really well organised and recycle over 70% of the stuff.
I always assumed the rubble / hardcore was reused as infill material and doesn't go to landfill anyway. But very strange seeing them relabelling the rubble kips yesterday from "clean hardcore / soil" to "inert waste".
I know one of the guys at the tip and he is NOT looking forward to Monday. A work colleague who lives down a small country lane opposite the tip is also not very happy about the inevitable fly-tipping (would hope they've set up covert cameras in readiness for this).
The way they are administering it is a bit messed up but there is a small amount of logic (and I'd imagine a small amount of discretion if you turn up with a couple of buckets of rubble):-
At the moment, he gets builders regularly turning up with trailer loads of rubble. He tells them they can't unload without a permit - they tell him to get stuffed and he is powerless to do anything.
If they charge everyone for the disposal of this kind of waste, they can still tell him to get stuffed and dump it. But because they have used a service without paying, they can now take pictures, reg no. etc and it is easier to fine them.
It is small-medium home jobs where this will be a hassle - bigger things will just be a skip from now on.
Don't even bother with the one in Chester anymore.
Not been there for a long time now, but we had about 8 bin bags of clothes to get rid of a couple of weeks ago. Tried to find a clothes for cash place but they all seem to have closed down so I ended up popping into the Ellesmere Port recycling centre - was pretty impressive.
Government reduce the money that goes to councils. Councils have to make the money back or cut services. Public blame council then votes government back in. 😐
Not been there for a long time now, but we had about 8 bin bags of clothes to get rid of a couple of weeks ago. Tried to find a clothes for cash place but they all seem to have closed down so I ended up popping into the Ellesmere Port recycling centre - was pretty impressive.
Morrisons have clothes recycling skips, and theres a pennies for clothes shop opposite next to roundabout.
We've had a massive increase in fly tipping. All down to closing a small centre nearby during the week. Only open now, oddly, at weekends and on bank holidays (?). Nearest centre is now about twenty mins drive away, yeah miles away eh?