[Closed] Voting BNP.....?????

Oxboy - I just don't know where to start after your last post.

Virtually all of us are descended from immigrants. they are not swamping the country, they are not a drain on our taxes. All facts

The BNP are closely involved in inciting racial hatred, holocaust denial. Are allied to various unspeakable racists and are a very nasty bunch of fascist thugs

fiddlesticks - double post

The only problems with immigrants is the sheer number, this little island cant take it.

rich

are you not aware that as we have stopped having so many children that our welfare state will collapse, without inviting immigrants in at a working age

the island is plenty big enough, you just have to learn to share, its a basic human concept we learn as children

fiddlesticks - double post

kimbers - no dis mate but that's just tosh. With population growth at current levels we resemble a plague of locusts as opposed to a model for future sustainability....

aracer - Member

> fiddlesticks - double post

Because the original didn't show up (as it was the first post on a new page and there was no link to the new page)? If so, I'm glad I'm not the only one getting that - was told I was imagining it when I commented!

Yep - seen that one too.

Aracer - thats exactly what happened

Kimbers is correct in that we need the immigrant workers to sustain our economy as we do not have enough workers of our own

Tnakslapper is also right but restricting immigration would mean no retirement for folk or shooting everyone over the age of 70.

A sustainable population of these islands would be far lower than is current

Population density of England 392 per sq km (according to Wiki) - that's quite a lot.

France is 110

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density ]Pop density[/url]

When the immigrants who have looked after us in our decrepitude are old - what then - more immigrants to look after them. Is that the future a never ending population spiral to look after us as we're "rich"?

What is the population density of the low countries?

Sorry can't be arsed to read the whole thing but has anyone posted this yet?

Much of the BNP's recent success has been down to its ability to shake off the patina of far-right extremism that has alienated most voters since its inception. But this month the veneer slipped when it emerged that a Salford-based BNP candidate in the European elections had set his Facebook status to read "Wogs go home". Eddy O'Sullivan, 49, wrote: "They are nice people - oh yeah - but can they not be nice people in the ****ing Congo or... bongo land or whatever?" O'Sullivan, who also joined an internet group called "**** Islam"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/31/bnp-european-elections-facebook-expose

Tnakslapper is also right but restricting immigration would mean no retirement for folk or shooting everyone over the age of 70.

What is the population density of the low countries?

395

All foreigners should go home!

That's:

Celts
Saxons
Franks
Angles
French
Irish
etc
etc

Would that just leave the Picts or are they foreign too? 😉

[i]When the immigrants who have looked after us in our decrepitude are old - what then - more immigrants to look after them. Is that the future a never ending population spiral to look after us as we're "rich"? [/i]

yep it is, do you have a better suggestion?

[i]yep it is, do you have a better suggestion? [/i]

Yes, a sustainable population with the same numbers entering and leaving. 😉

yep it is, do you have a better suggestion

Yup, managed population decline.

I think "Make Room! Make Room!" warped me when I read it as a teen

tj/tankslapper what is a sustainable population?

how many millions of people would you have to forcibly eject to reach sutainability?

or alternatively we could just raise taxes massively build all the power stations we need and all become vegetarian (this require 7 times less land than being a meat eater)

we could all live in a perfect unchanging world our gene pool becoming ever shallower, everyone could have the mandatory 2 children per couple (infertile parents would have to be ejected too) and we could get back to our cultural roots, morris dancing anyone?

[i]how many millions of people would you have to forcibly eject to reach sutainability?[/i]

None - this would be a long term exercise in population remodelling - here is what Jonathan Porrit has to say on the matter (BTW I'm not his biggest supporter)

[i]So let’s just start all over again – here’s the logic, in 12 easy steps.

1. The more human beings there are on the planet, the bigger our collective impact. There were about 3 billion of us in 1950, and there will be about 9 billion by 2050 – if we just carry on as usual. That’s an extra 6 billion in 100 years!

2. Our impact is felt in many different ways – in terms of soil erosion, over-fishing, deforestation, water shortages, loss of species and habitats, and so on. Most particularly, it’s felt in terms of the rising emissions of C02 and other greenhouse gases that we’re putting into the atmosphere, with the prospect of horrendous consequences by the end of the century if we can’t turn this around.

3. Each individual is responsible for their own carbon footprint. Here in the UK, it’s about 12 tonnes per person per annum. In China, it’s about 4 tonnes per person per annum. It soon mounts up. Were it not for China’s ‘one child family’ policy (which is certainly very controversial), there would be as many as 400 million additional Chinese alive today – with a combined annual carbon footprint of around 1.6 billion tonnes of C02!

4. Population and environmental impact are therefore inextricably intertwined. New technology (around energy efficiency and renewables) can do a lot to help reduce that impact. But at the moment, the efficiency gains it gives us are not even keeping up with the combined increase in human numbers and economic growth.

5. Here in the UK, we have adopted some extremely ambitious targets to reduce emissions of C02 and other greenhouse gases by 80% by 2050. On a per capita basis, that means going from around 12 tonnes per person per annum today to around 2.5 tonnes per person per annum by 2050 – if our population remains the same in 2050.

6. But it’s not going to! Current projections indicate that our population is going to grow from 61 million today to 77 million by 2050. Logically, that means there’s a lot less C02 to go round (in terms of our per capita allocation), making it all the harder to achieve that 80% target. (A target, incidentally, which many scientists now see as the absolute minimum which will be required in rich countries like ours).

7. It also means a lot more overcrowding, a lot more pressure on housing, on water supplies, on our trains, on our already congested roads and so on.

8. If you accept that this is a not very attractive proposition, and that it would be better to aim for a lower, rather than a higher population, there are two things that have to happen here in the UK.

9. The first is to allow into our country no more people than leave it on an annual basis. That’s called “net zero immigration”. This is not xenophobic, let alone racist. It’s just common sense.

10. The second is to see if we might persuade (please note, persuade, not coerce!) the 26% of women in the UK who are currently expected to have more than two children to ‘stop at two’. (The other 74% already do stop at two, or have one child or none.) If we did this, we would be able to cut our forecast population by around 7 million people.

11. Combine both policies (neither of which, I think you’ll agree, are that extreme, let alone threatening, let alone totalitarian!), and the consequences are enormous: instead of a population of 77 million, we’d have a population of around 55 million – 6 million fewer than we have today.

12. Amazingly, if we then applied ourselves to doing more or less the same for women the world over, during the course of the next 20 years or so, by the tried and tested means of improving education for all (but particularly for girls), including healthcare for all (but particularly for women), and ensuring a choice of contraception for all women so that they are free to manage their own fertility, without fear of oppressive religious and male-dominated constraints, then we might just be able to stabilise world population to something closer to 7.8 billion instead of 9.2 billion. And just work out what that means for climate change, the planet and all future generations.

So that’s the logic. Of course, it isn’t as easy as that. The barriers are still huge.
Many religious people still think the use of any contraception other than abstinence or the ‘natural method’ runs counter to the will of God. Many economists still think that a declining population will create an increasingly problematic imbalance between those at the end of their working lives and those whose taxes will be needed to support them.

But there seems to be little reason, on either count, to declare that population must remain for ever a taboo subject, beyond rational discourse, worthy only of the rantings of Daily Mail columnists and religious extremists.

So I shall stick to my guns on this one! As a Patron of the Optimum Population Trust, I shall be keenly supporting their ‘Stick at Two’ campaign. And as an environmentalist with a bit of a track record, I shall continue to point out to many of my colleagues that their continuing silence on the links between population, climate change and social justice is actually a betrayal of everything that they stand for – however ‘politically correct’ they may imagine it to be.[/i]

The question of over population (the world over) and how to deal with it is common sense - you can't long term ecologically damage from over population.

In this country we are far too good at compartmentalising everything - people live here - animals live there (SSSIs, National Parks, AONB's and all the other designations) etc etc Government policies in line with the Kyoto Treaty has pushed us all into everything from saving water and conserving energy sources to recycling yet the morons in power talk of building more houses in the Thames basin (John Prescott 2005 '£850 million to improve quality of life, provide 120,000 new homes and create around 180,000 new jobs.') In short they're talking out their backsides! They want us to save water so they can build more houses - where are your veggies now?

This is all part of the expansionist capitalist system which depends on growth, whatever the cost.

The bald fact is sustainable growth will only be achieved through the creation of a stable population model.

If there is a party out there that preaches this message and encourages people to participate regardless of faith, colour, class or creed then I'm interested.

If not then I'm going to waste my vote on those sheep shaggers in Plaid!

**** me slaps, all the time I've known you, I thought you were an uneducated, coarse, tick, Irish barsteward, and all that time there was a knowledgable, well informed, caring environmentalist inside bursting to get out! 😉

Well said

Cheers you southern softee shandy drinking mate that you are!

I vote for peace, brotherly love and even people from Ipswich! You hang out there in the sunshine mate, I don't care what anyone says - I think you special! 😆

so you are going to 'persuade' women to limit the number of children they have
and that is not totalitarian?

logical as this may seem you would also have to 'persuade' people to have children earlier in their life, instead of leaving it progressively later

also as medical technology improves people are living for longer so would you advocate just killing them at a certain age?

kimbers mate, it's not up to me now is it?

Yep, those were the arguments used on the Chinese, as they slowed their rate of poulation growth and the rest of the worlds carried on expanding exponentially.

Bit like an argument that its your personal freedom to guarantee the end of humanity though isn't it?

PS: southern softee shandy drinking mate ??? Shandy drinking???? I may well wet the bed, but I never, ever drink shandy, never, never, ever!!!

Oxboy, you daft racist muppet. You still haven't answered my question : how should non-white or non-British born forum users vote ?

You're obviously very keen to share your political acumen with this forum, so come on, be a sweetie don't be shy, give some advise to non-white and non-British born forum users too 8)

And whilst you're at it, also tell me how do you feel about going on a bike ride with non-white or non-British born mtbers ..... bearing in mind that you don't think they should be in this country in the first place ? I'm guessing that you wouldn't be very happy ?

Also tell me that if you were posting details of a bike ride on here, whether you would mention 'only British born whites welcomed' ? Or would you wait until the bike ride and then, make it clear that they weren't welcomed ?
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Now I'll answer a question which [i]you[/i] keep asking. You don't seem to understand why people can't be scared into voting BNP.

Well let me explain it to you. I would rather have a family of respectable devote muslims as neighbours, than have a family of [b]grunting knuckle-dragging musclehead neanderthal half-brains[/b], living next door to me.
Any minute of the week. And I suspect, most people would agree with me.

It's [u]your[/u] choice that's the scary one mate.

And for those who still think that the BNP is a respectable party which is simply the victim of an unfair slur campaign, here is a short video (less than 2 mins long) where Nick Griffin tells an audience of Ku Klux Klan member in the US that the BNP fully intends to lie to the British people. Note he clearly states that, 'BNP ideas are the same as KKK ideas'

Among the 'good ideas' which the KKK has, are burning '****s' alive.

I did have another video of a BNP organiser saying "Hitler will live forever", but unfortunately the BNP appear to be getting very good at removing stuff off the internet which exposes the truth about them.

Shame, because it's worth remembering how 65 years ago on D Day, countess young men laid down their lives to defeat an ideology based on hate. We owe it to them.

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BTW, how did this thread get bogged down in talking about immigration ? It's [i]not[/i] about immigration. The BNP might be very happy that everyone's talking about immigration, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the BNP is a very nasty, racist and fascist party. Immigration is a different issue all together.

[b]You are playing right into their hands[/b]

It's all going a bit Logans Run here.

your average bnp voter would never do for minimum wage or below,

And how would you feel about having your £5.73 per hour undercut?

(assuming you are over 22)

And how would you feel about having your £5.73 per hour undercut?

Not p155ed off enough to vote nazi.

But pissed off all the same. Just reading comments singing the praises of a government policy that results in lower wages for the already badly paid tends to stick in the craw don't you think?

Nick Griffin's constituency is the one where i live, Thurrock, Essex.

Which is most unfortunate.

I study politics at A level, and find it surprising that more people aren't following the Labour party considering Obama's recent success in America. However, given recent events is easy to see why they aren't ha.

But should anyone ask where i'm from, i'd say thurrock which will be linked to Nick Griffin who inevitably will do quite well ..

Which is slightly embarrassing.

Nevermind ..

I study politics at A level, and find it surprising that more people aren't following the Labour party considering Obama's recent success in America.

What's the connection?

omfg................................................. 🙄

Ton - lights blue touch paper and retires to safe distance (I SAID SAFE DISTANCE!) 😆

From a foreigner's viewpoint - when you kick me out of UK, some 12 people (all white, English, well-educated) will go on benefits as I provide them with work and pay their wages. Any more bright ideas?
Besides, who will sell you The Sun at 6 o'cliock if all the Indians and ****stanis are removed? Who will run a Chinease chippy if "the yellow people" get a boot? Who's going to serve a pint at The Weatherspoons once you banned all the Eastern Europeans who wait and serve there?
Next step will be you, the Brits, getting banned from going to those places. Who will you blame then? BNP? Labour? Torries? Lib-Dems?
No more French au-pairs, Italian cooks, Spanish senioritas in tapas bars, Brasilian bums on the beach...

So the answer is to have cheap labour imported as "our" lifestyle is unsustainable if we pay a decent wage? What happens when those who have moved here desire the same standard of living as those born here? Surely as human beings they are entitled to that?

Who sold us papers, worked in restaurants, and provided nanny services to the wealthy before EU enlargement?

No more blonde (36-24-36) Swedish au pair twins?!!!!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Hairychested - you make me sad. 😐

Thank FUG this thread is now done cos the voting is over 😀 😀

Now shut the fug up and see how the population of this country votes it is a democracy after all 🙄

Nah! See new thread - the pain continues!!! 🙄

Ernies got the hump! 😆

One comment you made
'Shame, because it's worth remembering how 65 years ago on D Day, countess young men laid down their lives to defeat an ideology based on hate. We owe it to them.'
I see the Labour Party our government felt so strongly about it they werent going to bother celebrating it until they were pressured and of course its now a half arsed cock up. Same as St Georges day they really make a big deal of that day dont they?

Next
'Well let me explain it to you. I would rather have a family of respectable devote muslims as neighbours, than have a family of grunting knuckle-dragging musclehead neanderthal half-brains, living next door to me. Any minute of the week. And I suspect, most people would agree with me.'
mmmm. I dont fancy either thanks, where do you live where you only get those two options? so thats one person who doesnt agree for a start.
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'Oxboy, you daft racist muppet. You still haven't answered my question : how should non-white or non-British born forum users vote ?'
Of course you should vote for what you believe in if you qualify. Thats the way we do it here! Daft racist muppet?? Ernie I expected better from you! (I didnt!)
Next
'BTW, how did this thread get bogged down in talking about immigration ? It's not about immigration. The BNP might be very happy that everyone's talking about immigration, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the BNP is a very nasty, racist and fascist party. Immigration is a different issue all together.'
WTF Immigration is part of the issue of course it is, the reason why the BNP is happy about people talking about immigration is because we do have a problem, people are worried. The BNP are up front and open about their thoughts on this, are any of the main stream parties? I think not thats the problem. You daft muppet!! (your phrase) 😆

And finally because I am now getting bored
'You are playing right into their hands'
I think not I think its the other way round, if the Labour party had thought about what they were doing then the BNP would have gone out of business, the reason the BNP is gaining in popularity is because of the Labour government and their policies end of.

Ernie to be honest I dont care if you think I am a racist to be honest that label doesnt bother me in the slightest. I dont like what is happening to my Country and I will vote against it, thats it.

I think I may have ticked the wrong box by mistake, with all this it became confusing in the Poll station - does it matter?

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The BNP support is increasing then .. whilst the main two parties are at record lows.

I think its fair to say alot of that is down to a protest vote, but for how long?

Labour, conservative parties are almost identical in their policies .. I`m not sayiong the BNP are the best option - but we do need a new ideology in politics.

You're right the BNP are not the best option, they are the worst option, there are other piss poor options (UKIP) but even that bunch of jingonistic halfwits would be preferable to Griffin's bovver boys.

Well someone's voting for them in Lancashire, they've won a seat on the county council. Also making it quite likely Griffin will get his MEP seat apparently

[url] http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090605/tuk-bnp-wins-first-county-council-seat-6323e80.html [/url]

Don't vote, it only encourages them.

sad day 🙁

hopefully it will wake up all the protest 'I can't be arsed to vote' people to what happens when you don't bother to have your say in who will represent you, as its starting to look like those people have inadvertently supported the BNP's rise.

a very very sad day

but i think you can see from oxboys comments that nazis like griffin are quite able to generate support from relatively normal, people when 2 generations ago we were at war with that kind of scum

nazis like griffin are quite able to generate support from relatively normal

oxymoron surely (well some kind of moron anyway)? BNP voter not normal in my book 😉

lol very good mrsflash!
No quite normal as are most of the other villagers I live with, the BNP came in second behind the Tories. The BNP got a councillor in about 5 miles away too.
Not protest voting either, people are beginning to open their eyes, lets hope you lot wake up soon eh?!!! Before I have to say I told you so . . .

Great day!

Not protest voting either, people are beginning to open their eyes, lets hope you lot wake up soon eh

You're a troll right ?

Oxboy - so you want to kill blacks then? send home all non whites no matter if they were born here?
Withdraw from the EC?

Do you have a brain? Do you understand what fasists and Nazis are? The BNP follow the same beliefs as Hitler and his Nazis. Many non white colonial troops ggave their lives in the fight against Naziism. You want the Gurkus to be sent back to Nepal? You want race riots in the streets? Kristalnacht all over again? Burn the Jews as well?

All these things are the aims of the BNP

Nasty little nazi idiots like you have no place in Britain.

I wonder if Oxboy had a bad upbriging/experience or even a troll.

My Grandfather fought for freedom for this country and the world by risking his life in battle (Sgt Maj) WW2.

So many people like him that didn't make it. Sons, Brothers, Fathers and Husbands that didn't come home.

I tell you this Ox cube, if Nazis ever came to power they will be defeated again again again and I'll happily follow my Grandfather's tradition and fight for freedom with my life.

I'm glad Dubai, China or India allows People from this country in to do business and also invest in Britain. I wonder how many companies in this country are from other countries.

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Winston Churchill was kicked out of office before the end of the war by people in this country..bringing in a Labour government with a large majority,some reward for his efforts.That proves that the thoughts of electorate in this country are unpredictable/strange to put it mildly !

they cant do a worce job , than wot this lot have done , and how many BNP politicans have robbed us with expenses etc, dont get me wronge , but ffs.

they cant do a worce job , than wot this lot have done , and how many BNP politicans have robbed us with expenses etc

Yeah good point. Forget about the nasty, fascist, racist, xenophobic behaviour so long as they don't build duck houses. Feel like I wasted my vote now.

as said some weeks ago , when that list was made public, they didnt bother me then , and they still dont bother me now, i have a few live near to me , wot should i do. , nothing because they are part of a legitimently elected polical party.right or wronge , thats how it is.

I guess it depends what you consider worse. If you're a BNP voter then I'm sure they definitely can't. If you're a rational, sane human being then I'm sure you'd rather see MPs in gold plated Ferraris than a BNP government.

[i]That proves that the thoughts of electorate in this country are unpredictable/strange to put it mildly ! [/i]

churchill was a brilliant wartime leader but after the war the nation wanted reform, which he opposed, especially the welfare state and the formation of the nhs

they did elect him backin again though

just wondering if all you guys think the idea to stop immigration is a good or bad thing.
with the current state of the country and economy.

when there is unemployment and recession people look to blame someone immigrants and ethnic minorities usually suffer. people are fuelled by what they read in newspapers when the facts and reality are generally disproving.
i think we should cut immigration and adopt a policy similar to australia,however i firmly believe we have the best country in the world.
as for british national party whats british these days we have become so cosmipolitan and if you look at the history of britain were made up of half of europe.
plus i think skin heads look silly lol

Winston Churchill was kicked out of office before the end of the war by people in this country..bringing in a Labour government with a large majority,some reward for his efforts.That proves that the thoughts of electorate in this country are unpredictable/strange to put it mildly !

Or it proves that a persons reputation changes over time. There were many reasons why Churchill was voted out and none of them were down to ingratitude. Lots had to change after the second world war and although history now views Churchill as being the benign saviour, back then he was part of an establishment that many wanted to see the back of.

Churchill, as great as he was, was a man very much of his time - a war horse and a dam fine one. But his record becomes tarnished when held up to too much scrutiny,

1. He let Poland down (we went to war to defend them remember)
2. He was the clown behind Gallipoli and the Dardanelles fiasco in WW1
3. He could have saved the SS Lusitania, or was that a useful way to get Uncle Sam in to the war (again WW1)

Churchill was the right man for the job of war the wrong man for putting a shattered state back together in a dysfunctional post war Europe.

I put Winston in for not allowing the Nazis to win (Thank God we tricked/got help from USA).

Regardless of Winston's state record-I wanted to show that Nazis don't get far.

Totally agree with points system. Australia doesn't want spongers and neither should the U.K. Bless those lazy native folks on benefit who would let a migrant clean the toilet instead of taking the job...

I'll be looking for work soon-hell if it gets worse I'll clean loo's if I have to!

TandemJeremy - Member

Oxboy - so you want to kill blacks then?

Vote Labour and you can have thousands in the Middle East killed in your name instead.

Oxboy; fancy coming for a curry, in London, sometime?

Or maybe a Chinese meal? Thai? Carribean? Japanese? Moroccan? Turkish?

Or maybe some good old fashioned traditional [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_and_chips ]Fish and Chips[/url]?

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Pity the BNP is not...

how many BNP politicans have robbed us with expenses etc

Ah, leave Oxboy alone.

It's wrong, to mock the afflicted...

Mods: Please don't ban Oxboy. We need a diversity of onion, to make the forum the lively, exciting place it is. And he has the rare quality of being able to unite almost all STWers; that's something you don't see very often!

Oxboy, have you ever considered that it's possible to be aware of the negative aspects of unregulated immigration and it's effect on low earners wages (although I get the impression that's not really a concern of yours)but at the same time avoid the knee jerk nationalistic solution suggested by the BNP?
Do you really think that even if it was desirable to yourself, it would be possible to repatriate millions of British citizens? That sounds like a ricockulous fantasy the BNP have suggested as a policy. I can't understand why anybody would waste a vote on that.

Hey I've not done anything illegal! This is absolutely unreal! I may (or may not!) have voted for a legal, legitimate political party and people want my head on a stake! So much for our tolerant all embracing society that we live in! 😆 Just goes to show eh! 😆

Tandamjeremy said 'Nasty little nazi idiots like you have no place in Britain.' Well I'm sorry my Jeremy but generation after generation of my family have paid taxes and fought for this isle, one of my ancesters actually won a V.C. for bravery fighting in India in the uprising, so unsurprisingly I feel my place in England is set in concrete and I aint budging!

Anyway enough of me, where did you lot put your X's? Will anybody admit to voting . . . . dare I say it Labour !!!!!!

Oh and Dr Dolittle what does 'ricockulous' mean? sounds rude to me!

well you have been saying you are a nasty little nazi idiot. Your family members if they fought in the second world war who I assume fought against the nazis would turn their grave

Either that or a troll but Nazis such as you profess to be have no place in britain. You are the antithisis of the british way of life

Scum

Jeremy wrong in so many ways!
Arrogantly assuming what my dead family members would think really is ridiculous. Why are you even mentioning Nazis? I didnt.

As for this 'Either that or a troll but Nazis such as you profess to be have no place in britain.' what the hell does that mean??? Trolls whats that mean?

Mind you anybody called Jeremy and rides a tandem has to be a kent its obvious really! (well you did call me scum!)

So much for our tolerant all embracing society that we live in!

We'll tolerate everyone apart from those that cannot tolerate tolerance.

Just out of curiosity, is it an inadequacy thing with you ? Usually is isn't it ?

We'll tolerate everyone apart from those that cannot tolerate tolerance

Interesting ! If i was to vote for the Communist party would everyone have the same outrage ?

Rodders - the communist party while being distasteful to some do not advocate forced removal of 10% of our population, do not incite racial hatred and do not deny the holocaust.

Oxboy - you said your family had fought for this isle - I assumed in the second world war against the nazis. And here you are supporting nazis.

A troll is someone who posts on a forum to get reaction espousing opinions that they intend to get a strong reaction. either you are doing this or you really are thick Nazi scum

Calm down! Calm down!

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Oh sh1t a n other racial stereotype 🙄

Okay. Think there's enough evidence about to PROVE to any doubters that the BNP are a nasty, small minded, ignorant racist party.

Which makes anyone who votes for them a nasty, small minded, ignorant racist.

If this is you, then just admit it. Not admitting your true beliefs makes you even worse, IMO.

So come on Oxboy, tell us the truth - if not, then fine, we'll just draw our own conclusions from your posts so far.

All your pathetic self-justification about what your family did in the past is irrelevant.
'The past is another country - people do things differently there.'

We're here, now.
Population size and immigration are separate issues, and racial prejudice has no place in those debates, unless brought to the table by the the racially prejudiced, so stop blurring the issue.

You encouraged people to vote for racists - I know what [b]I[/b] think that makes you. What do you think?

one of my ancesters actually won a V.C. for bravery fighting in India in the uprising, so unsurprisingly I feel my place in England is set in concrete and I aint budging!

Oh, you mean fighting for the British against the people of a country which Britain had invaded, occupied, raped it of it's resources, and oppressed it's people? Coming from the other side of the coin, I woon't see as how any involvement in such events cold be considered 'honourable'.

My dad was one of waves of immigrants who were invited over, by the British government from places like the Indian Subcontinent, the Carribean and Africa, to help fix Britain up, after WW2. To do the shitty jobs that British people din't want to do. He suffered prejudice, pathetic wages, and shitty living conditions, but perservered, so's he could build a life in this country, and be able to provide financial support for his impoverished family back home. Having lived almost all his adult life in Britain, he has paid his taxes, and contributed to British society. Indeed, such has been the impact of people from his country on the local area, that part of it has been named Banglatown, in recognition of the important part people from Bangladesh played, in developing the local economy and culture.

I always consider myself extremely lucky, to have grown up shoulder to shoulder with people from all corners of the Globe, and see all people as equally worthy of respect and important to society. The Britain I know, [b]MY[/b] Britain, is a place where diversity is welcomed, where new ideas are embraced, and culture is constantly evolving.

That's the Britain I love. That's the Britain I'd fight for. Against any scum who would seek to destroy what I love.

I feel sorry for you, for being so blinkered and ignorant, that you can't see what a wonderful thing it is, to live in a nation who's doors have been open to all.

My ancestors also fought for this Isle. But they din't fight so that scum like the BNP would surface.

So, come and have a curry. Let's have a chat, and see if we can't open up that narrow little mind of yours.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Curry!

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Oxboy - Member

Ernies got the hump!

One comment you made
'Shame, because it's worth remembering how 65 years ago on D Day, countess young men laid down their lives to defeat an ideology based on hate. We owe it to them.'
I see the Labour Party our government felt so strongly about it they werent going to bother celebrating it until they were pressured and of course its now a half arsed cock up. Same as St Georges day they really make a big deal of that day dont they?

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'Well let me explain it to you. I would rather have a family of respectable devote muslims as neighbours, than have a family of grunting knuckle-dragging musclehead neanderthal half-brains, living next door to me. Any minute of the week. And I suspect, most people would agree with me.'
mmmm. I dont fancy either thanks, where do you live where you only get those two options? so thats one person who doesnt agree for a start.
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'Oxboy, you daft racist muppet. You still haven't answered my question : how should non-white or non-British born forum users vote ?'
Of course you should vote for what you believe in if you qualify. Thats the way we do it here! Daft racist muppet?? Ernie I expected better from you! (I didnt!)
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'BTW, how did this thread get bogged down in talking about immigration ? It's not about immigration. The BNP might be very happy that everyone's talking about immigration, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the BNP is a very nasty, racist and fascist party. Immigration is a different issue all together.'
WTF Immigration is part of the issue of course it is, the reason why the BNP is happy about people talking about immigration is because we do have a problem, people are worried. The BNP are up front and open about their thoughts on this, are any of the main stream parties? I think not thats the problem. You daft muppet!! (your phrase)

And finally because I am now getting bored
'You are playing right into their hands'
I think not I think its the other way round, if the Labour party had thought about what they were doing then the BNP would have gone out of business, the reason the BNP is gaining in popularity is because of the Labour government and their policies end of.

Ernie to be honest I dont care if you think I am a racist to be honest that label doesnt bother me in the slightest. I dont like what is happening to my Country and I will vote against it, thats it.
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Gosh Oxboy, that was a long post for you. And I am not surprised that towards the end, you say that you are getting bored - the intellectual challenge must have taxed your neanderthal brain to it's very limits mate.

Me got the hump ? Well not really, 'disappointed' would be a better word to express how I feel now. Disappointed that presumably I will have wait until the next lot of elections to witness the amusing sight of you making a complete tw4t of yourself as you tell forum users to vote for a bunch of hate-filled homophobic and racist neo-nazi thugs.

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I see that you are [u]still[/u] refusing to answer my question concerning how non-white or non-British born forum users should vote, preferring instead to say, "you should vote for what you believe in". And yet you are not so reticent to tell people to vote BNP. Am I to take it that the advise you give is only for white British born forum users ? Why won't you give forum users who aren't white British born your advice ? Are they not worthy of it ? Do they not count ? I find that really very insulting and offensive.

Still, at least it means that you are hardly in a position to complain about me being insulting and offensive to [u]you[/u], you daft racist muppet.

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So you think voting Labour is an insult to those young men who died on the beaches of Normandy on D-Day fighting 'an ideology based on hate' do you ? But voting for a racist homophobic hate-filled bunch of neo-nazis who's leader has publicly said, that Hitler wasn't that bad and that he never built gas chambers, isn't an insult to them, eh ? Obviously the bit about you being a daft racist muppet is completely right then.

30 seconds into this video Nick Griffin says that the Nazis only 'shot Jews' for being communists and that it is 'nonsense' to say gas chambers existed.

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Nazis weren't that bad after all[/url]

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I also see, that you openly admit you would have a problem living next door to a respectable muslim family. Care to explain why a bigot like you has a problem with that ? I'm intrigued. Would you also have a problem with a gay couple living next door to you ? You fascist freak.

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[i]"Daft racist muppet?? Ernie I expected better from you!"[/i]

That is undoubtedly, the only valid point you made in your diatribe. Yes of course I can do much better than that. Unfortunately I'm restricted by the swear filter, you daft racist muppet.