[Closed] Voting BNP.....?????

Only if they are dark greens like me. Your light greens are wishywashy liberals

Idiot alert! Idiot Alert! Vote BNP so foreigners won't shag your daughters

not trolling at all. just interested in peoples thoughts.
but, is the bnp not wanting people coming in the country same as sinn fein not wanting english in ireland??

All Governments restrict how many people they allow into their country. The BNP just happen to want to use race to determine who can come in and who can't which most of us find objectionable. But I suppose the only real moral response is to say that all migration should be unrestricted. I don't really think that is workable and if I'm honest I don't want it because I don't really want to see my standard of living drop which I feel it might do in those circumstances, at least in the short run. We all quite naturally want to keep what we have and if we want to give it away we want to decide who we give it too rather than feel it is being taken from us and given to someone we feel no affinity for.

And lets not forget that with the way the worlds economies are going it might be our children and grandchildren looking to migrate in the future.

TandemJeremy - Member
Ukip are xenophobes at best but racists in reality. The whole premise of both parties is hating foreigners and don't be fooled that it is anything else

Why do I feel sleepy??????

Could it be the pressure selling from the er Greens

tell me was the SNP not formed because they are pro Scotland and potentially racist against the english????

And Maybe just maybe the BNP has been formed because they are pro British

Just a thought

Last time I checked on the polls, BNP only had about 1%, and they need around 6% to get a seat in EU? Might be out of date as it was last week.

way things are going, we could end up with a BNP/Green coalition led by Ester Rantzen.

could generate some amusing policies such as 'Burn asylum seekers to genererate renewable energy' and Doc Cox as home secretary.

Idiot alert! Idiot Alert! Vote BNP so foreigners won't shag your daughters

Turn around again there Hairy so I can give that big key in your back another turn....

Saladdoger - more trolling?

The SNP were formed to provide self rule for a nation - Scotland. They re not based on hating anyone - but on wanting self determination for the people of Scotland. Folk like me - English but Scotland is my home are fully welcomed by the SNP - as "assimilated scots" All Immigrants are welcomed.

The BNP are a racist / fascist party. Their raison d'etre is simply about hating non whites. NO immigrants that are non white are accepted.

Here is a bit about the BNP
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/

A huge difference

Nah TJ, surely it goes that for Scotland, you just replace the "B" with an "S" and hey presto you get the same thing (roughly) just wearing kilts, playing bagpipes, hating Sasanachs, wielding Tam O'Shanters?

No?

Just had my Anti-Fascism flyer in the post-woohoo!

Actually I might donate some money to them after reading this thread.

www.uaf.org.uk

No.

I ain't no great fan of nationalism but the SNP is not remotely comparable with the BNP. there is a far right scots nationalist movement but I have forgotten their name

Yes, there is a far right Scottish movement, but if it's the one I'm thinking of, they are almost purely anti-English and spend their time spray painting slogans on holiday cottages - very similar to the Welsh lot who have the same M.O.

They are generally regarded (certainly by me!) as a slightly comedic bunch with no credibility.

In both the Scottish and Welsh cases, I suspect the groups have formed due to huge hikes in house prices, forcing young locals to relocate. It's exactly these small, very localised 'beefs' which are picked up on and exploited by the likes of the BNP.

Fully agree that to compare the SNP with the BNP is plain stupid.

I have a horrible feeling that the BNP will do very well in the elections and part of it is because of the ill behaviour of the main parties but most of it is down to the underlying, knuckle dragging, racist attitudes of the proles. They've got an excuse to vote nazi and they're going to use it.

"the proles"

What a lovely turn of phrase you have 🙄

I know I'm not that funny but has everybody had a sense-of-humour-ectomy? Of course I wasn't comparing the BNP to the SNP ffs! Salmon may be an idiot but a racist he's not.

"the proles"

What a lovely turn of phrase you have

I am a prole. That qualifies me to use it.

If that's OK with my betters that is.

There needs to be a party that has the immigration policy of Australia - entry considered if a) you have money and can support yourself for a period of time so as not to consume limited state resources, and b) you are able to demonstrate ability or education to a standard which is desirable to others.

Also interesting that you chose to talk about immigration in the context of the BNP. No-one ever wants to talk about their economic, environmental, education, health or pensions policy. It's almost as if their entire policy was banging on about foreigners and the EU...

(UKIP are blazer-wearing members of the bowls club that don't like foreigners, dark-skinned people, wreckers of law and order, Communists, Maoists, Trotskyists, neo-Trotskyists, crypto-Trotskyists, union leaders, Communist union leaders, atheists, agnostics, long-haired weirdos, short-haired weirdos, vandals, hooligans, football supporters, namby-pamby probation officers, rapists, papists, papist rapists, foreign surgeons, headshrinkers who ought to be locked up, Wedgwood Benn, keg bitter, punk rock, glue-sniffers, ‘Play For Today’, squatters and Chinese restaurants, but whose arthritis is too bad to actually go out and chuck bricks through their windows. The BNP are the people who'd be willing to chuck bricks.)

Darcy - I knew you were extracting the urine.

to compare the SNP with the BNP is plain stupid.

Not if you want to wind up TJ it isn't.

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saladdodger - Member

Why do I feel sleepy??????

It's the fluoride in your drinking water.

Don't you know that it 'saps and impurifies' your precious bodily fluids, without your knowledge ?
Causing you to have a loss of essence ?

Have you [i]ever denied[/i] a woman your essence saladdodger ?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6821302/Confession-of-a-Communist-and-Fluoride

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Last time I checked on the polls, BNP only had about 1%

BNP support is heavily concentrated JxL. Whilst it might only be 1% nationwide, that includes areas like the shires where it has no support at all and where UKIP can expect to do much better. In areas where it matters, the BNP will do much better.

I have little doubt that EU elections will be the big electoral breakthrough which British fascists have been waiting over 70 years for. The fascist-free history which Britain has enjoyed in recent years is really something of an anomaly compared to other similar countries imo. After all, we have stupid and gullible people just like any other Western European country. The only question really, is how many seats will they get ?

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Of course the real fascists are the Greens....

That will be the [url= http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html ]Ecofascists[/url] that you're thinking of. Ecofascism/green nazism is where many former NF members ended up.

It fits in very nicely with the vigilante attitudes which favour living in communes in the outback fighting against politicians, governments, and the global jewish/communist conspiracy, and establishing the Third Position and New World Order of White Supremacy.

It also of course fits in nicely with the healthy outdoor living much appreciated by German nazis :

[i]" Admiration of nature was a strong theme of the German Nazi party and the Wagnerian German romanticism that predated it, and is also a key issue for some modern fascist movements. The Nazi government also investigated sustainable forestry. The Nazis were at the forefront of conservationism, with Nazi Germany having some of the first legally protected wilderness reserves. During their rise to power, the Nazis were supported by German environmentalists and conservationists[/i]"

Further more, it satisfies the paranoid misanthropy which so many fascists suffer from.

[b]No[/b] BNP or UKIP for me I am afraid.

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No.

I ain't no great fan of nationalism but the SNP is not remotely comparable with the BNP. there is a far right scots nationalist movement but I have forgotten their name

SnG if i remember correctly TJ - translates as 'Sons of the Gael' in a civilised tongue 😛

Anyone watch the BNP PPB last night. Griffin the fat oaf had about as much charisma as a cat turd, the production values were awful and who was in the picture over his shoulder. I liked the way he kept fiddling with his hands, kept expecting him to go into a Hitleresque rant and fling his arms about.

lol, was he having a bit of a Dr. Strangelove moment?

Please don't anybody vote BNP, even to put the wind up the other parties.

UKIP are similar to BNP in one way, which is that they don't have any view of the bigger picture. I got a bit of blurb from them the other day with bullet points to tell us why we would be better out of Europe. Number 3 or 4 was that fish would be cheaper once we had taken back our territorial waters. Didn't see any mention in their literature of global warming, peak oil, debt reduction, population growth or changing demographics - obviously not important issues compared to the price of fish.

Likewise we have a Tory up for County Council election and her main priority is to get our general rubbish collection back up to weekly instead of fortnightly, alternating with the recycling collection. Barmy.

The BNP and UKIP are the ONLY parties who actually, genuinely give a sh*t about the country.

It's totally bizarre that, in light of the expenses row, people don't trust the main political parties so are looking to fringe parties.

The BNP are hardly law-abiding and as someone pointed out recently, 1 in 6 UKIP MSPs have been investigated for [url= http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1434608.ece ]fraud and embezzlement[/url].

Not to mention:
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage ]UKIP leader Nigel Farage boasts of his £2m in expenses[/url].

Th every real danger is that a completely looney party may get in during the next general election... Maybe even the Lib Dems *shudder* 😉

rightplacerighttime ....... don't vote BNP, UKIP, [u]or[/u] Tory ???

You're not exactly making it very easy for us god-fearing right-wingers.

You're not exactly making it very easy for us god-fearing right-wingers

I'm just waiting for the first Eastern European candidate to be named. 😀

Likewise we have a Tory up for County Council election and her main priority is to get our general rubbish collection back up to weekly instead of fortnightly

do you live next door? 😉 - this for some absurd reason seems to be a real political issue where i live. according to the moaning housewives on the local news it causes rats - not in my house you old bag!

Having considered all the above arguments (littered with well placed facts, points of view) and looked at each of the parties available I thought I'd vote for the one that has not actually commited mass murder. So that's New Labour out. Then I considered who actually has working people that are struggling to make there way through life, so that was the Tories and Liberals out. The Greens nice ideas but who will give up material things for the greater good or stop producing more kids on our over populated planet, yer right no one! Thats now left me with various small parties that don't have a hope of doing anything whatsoever. So on those grounds I think that the BNP will be the party to vote for but only if people shut the **** up and stop giving them all this free publicity and let them make pillocks out of themselves.

jimster - Member

I'm just waiting for the first Eastern European candidate to be named.

Maybe its time for me to get into politics!

Thats now left me with various small parties that don't have a hope of doing anything whatsoever. So on those grounds I think that the BNP will be the party to vote for but only if people shut the **** up and stop giving them all this free publicity and let them make pillocks out of themselves.

I do hope you are joking! You must have missed an interview with Griffin this morning, when he plain simply said that everybody other that white people should be deported from the UK, even if non-white people were born in UK.

BNP is a joke, and people that vote for it reflect their own stupidity.

I will vote for whoever will promise to stop my ****ing neighbour's b**tard cats from tw**ting well sh**ting in my p**sing garden.

Griffin this morning.........said that everybody other that white people should be deported from the UK, even if non-white people were born in UK.

There you go ............ the [u]isn't[/u] racist.

So then, who's voting for them ?

This thread is a bit like going for a swim in our lovely British waters (actually rather than metaphorically). I keep wanting to dip my toe in but then get cold feet...

At the last general election I read the manifestos of the Tories, Labour, Liberal and A.N Other (UKIP?), with a view to making an informed decision of who to vote for. I can't remember the exact reasons but to be frank none of them stood out. To bring this back to bikes, they were all "All Mountain" bikes trying to be all things to all people, but the Tories argued their VPP was better than the liberals single pivot (does anyone see where this analogy is going? I don't!). I know I'm not saying anything surprising or revolutionary; they're all pretty much the same party in a different sweater (oh God another crap analogy).

Back to the point, whether you like what the BNP/UKIP etc stand for or absolutely detest it, at least it as a clear and different choice and that is what politics needs.

As for me? The answer is no.

Back to the point, whether you like what the BNP/UKIP etc stand for or absolutely detest it, at least it as a clear and different choice and that is what politics needs.

In fairness, I think the political landscape would be just fine without the nazis or the diet nazis. I think they're choices we could live without.

If theyed deport me to Vancover Island I'd vote for them.

If they would deport me to Vancover Island I'd vote form them.

The BNP gave up on the politics of hate and went for the more subtle fear of muslims instead. Voting for them doesnt make you a racist but please don't because the party members really are.

My wife's parents are immigrants and you couldnt hope to find a nicer pair of people anywhere on the planet. Guess that makes me a race traitor and proud of it.

trailmonkey, I am guilty as charged of unfairly bundling the BNP and UKIP in the same ascertion. There is more difference between those two than the Tories/Labour/Liberals.

I think they're choices we could live without.

I disagree. I think politics needs more choice, not less. At least if what a party stands for is abhorent for you it makes it considerably easier to vote for an alternative. If you'll pardon the wholly inappopriate pun 😯 I think there needs to be more black and white in politics rather than the endless shades of grey of the main parties

to elucidate on my point above - and because I'm having a more interesting time here than at work - go back 20 years to when I wanted my first mountain bike. Go into the average bike shop and there was only one type of mountain bike, albeit at different price points. Alternatively I could buy a "touring" bike or a "road bike". All very different beasts that serve very different purposes.

Now you decide you want a mountain bike there is an endless choice of usually subtley different designs. "Do you ride downhill 37% of the time or 45% of the time? It does make a difference to which bike you choose, sir"

Same with main-party politics. It's all in the detail at the expense of the big picture. I don't have the inclination to dissect party manifestos so if a party can stand-out with its core values then that should be applauded regardless of if you agree with those values.

I disagree. I think politics needs more choice, not less.

So in what way is the BNP any different to any other political party ?

Eh ?

OK ....... I'll tell you.

They are racist.

Everyone who knows the [i]tinniest smidget[/i] about politics knows that they are RACIST.

Their party is also [b]full of criminal thugs[/b] ............ that, makes them pretty different to other political parties.

So how exactly, is it useful, helpful, or in anyway constructive, to encourage more racist thugs into British politics?

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I don't think stilltortoise's bike analogy works very well. If I'd gone into a bike shop 20 years ago looking for a mountain bike, I would have found one. I wouldn't have bought a tourer by accident unless I was dangerously confused.

Now, I can go in, and am offered a wide choice of mountain bikes. All of them are OK, althoug they are subtly different and I might accidentally get a mountain bike mildly unsuited to my precise needs. But it will still be a mountain bike not a touring bike.

Moving to the political sphere, you have a choice of centrist liberal social democratic parties to vote for. Or instead you could vote nazi, because they are clearly different to all those boring mainstream parties with their boring manifestos. Which would be like walking into a bike shop and buying a tourer when you wanted a mountain bike because the choice of a few different all mountain bikes was too confusing... 🙂

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OK I give in. I've tried and clearly failed to make my point.

Oh no, wait, BigDummy has just made it for me, albeit it with his own flourish

And for the record - because I feel people missed it - I will NOT be voting for the BNP and I absolutely DO think they are racist. You don't have an argument from me there. Go back, re-read my posts and now see if you can see my point. If not, then I have made it very badly indeed