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I'd leave the review you feel appropriate myself
If the landlord is bothered about attracting families, he'll make an effort to keep his clientele in check
If he secretly holds a fight club in his cellar on Thursdays it'll be a good advert, seeing as he can't talk about it himself
Win, win
A serious question for the [s]bedwetters[/s] more discerning and sensitive individuals on the thread....
You people read online reviews of pubs before you visit them?
Seriously?
OP, where in Hertfordshire, out of interest?
I find it hard to believe it was in one of the [i]nicer[/i] parts of the county of opportunity, but could quite believe it if we're talking Hitchin or Hemel Hempstead - they do tend to give the county a bad name.
So again, I ask the question, did you speak to the staff there in person? It's not a case of being manly or other such crap, I can undertsnad why you'd not want to talk to the group in the bar, but not that you wouldn't/didn't talk to the people behind the car. It's a case of dealing with a situation in person rather than behind a keyboard.
No I didn't, I finished my drink and left. There was only one girl behind the bar and it would have been impossible to have a quiet word, there was also a risk I would have got my "head kicked in" from the group by the bar.
And so again, I remind everyone that I was asking a genuine question, not "dealing" with the situation from behind a keyboard.
As it happens I was looking for different perspectives, and I see the overall point that it would be an overreaction to post a bad review.
It's not that it would be an [b]over[/b]reaction, more that it's the [b]wrong [/b]reaction.
You either care about such things, or you don't.
If you care then complain, in person, at the time.
Saying nothing at the time, and then Complaining online after the fact, is a behaviour the Internet seems to encourage. And it's one that we would be far better off without.
Binners, since when did you turn into the manliest man in the manhood of man?
Saying nothing at the time, and then Complaining online after the fact, is a behaviour the Internet seems to encourage. And it's one that we would be far better off without.
That would be a legitimate point if I had named the pubs.
Worth a review if only to give other parents a heads up that it may not be an ideal place to take little Timmy.
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You people read online reviews of pubs before you visit them?
Only if I'm after food, for a drink I will make my own assessment before having a second pint.
Binners, since when did you turn into the manliest man in the manhood of man?
Did you not know? I'm Northern. We're all ****in' nails oop 'ere buttercup! 😀
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It's not that it would be an overreaction, more that it's the wrong reaction.You either care about such things, or you don't.
If you care then complain, in person, at the time.
Saying nothing at the time, and then Complaining online after the fact, is a behaviour the Internet seems to encourage. And it's one that we would be far better off without.
Is the correct answer.
It may have been a girl behind the bar but my experience of bar staff, male and female, is they are more than capable of having a word with a rowdy group if needed. They do however not see everything so sometimes needs someone to explain the issue...in person, at the time.
Binners is on the right in this photo...
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I really dont get why you're even worrying about this. Its not your job to police the pub industry. If you feel you need to leave a negative review then do so, but personally I'd just avoid the place and if anyone I knew was considering going to "The Olde Swearie Boozere" with kids I'd suggest they go elsewhere.
I suspect outside of town and city centres most pubs are labelled as family friendly, even if they're not.
I think you have to understand that although pub culture has been forced to undergo a dramatic change over the last decade or so, it's a tradition that won't roll over and play dead..
It's a shame that a certain demographic has tried to muscle in on the trade in the wake of the anti-smoking disaster, and that the hardest hit pubs have been turned into a watered down, americanised version of their former glory, but if we try to cast a positive light on the rape and pillage of this ancient culture I guess we can surmise that there is now something for everyone..
Why on earth the foppish mummies boys and their malignant broods couldn't just stay in their own familiar territories is something that will irk me forever
I think it could be absolutely accurate in this case to say 'I blame fatcher'
It's a shame that a certain demographic has tried to muscle in on the trade in the wake of the anti-smoking disaster, and that the hardest hit pubs have been turned into into a watered down, americanised version of their former glory, but if we try to cast a positive light on the rape and pillage of this ancient culture I guess we can surmise that there is now something for everyone..
I'm not so sure. I know a few old drinkers in their 90s who said that pubs used to be able to police themselves back in the day, and loud, vile language, especially the use of the c-word, was generally not tolerated. There is an important difference between swearing in your own small group and bellowing it out for everyone to hear.
yes a pub has always policed itself..
It was your job in this case to attempt to do so.. but you didn't
Worth a review if only to give other parents a heads up that it may not be an ideal place to take little Timmy.
I can make it even easier to avoid and we don't even need the internet to find the answer.
If it looks like a pub, don't take little Timmy in. As an adult there are places I like to go to escape kids and I find it a wholly selfish act taking kids into pubs. There are special places where we go when there are kids around, they often have play areas attached, have lots of parking and are easily identifiable. I would expect language to be controlled in the so called family pubs, but not in an adult environment.
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
What's irresponsible about them interacting with adults, and watching adults going about a perfectly normal and legal activity?
I'm not clear from the OP's posts if they had kids with them or not.
If not, the potty mouths may have actually stopped swearing if they had seen that you had children with you.
It's a shame that a certain demographic has tried to muscle in on the trade in the wake of the anti-smoking disaster, and that the hardest hit pubs have been turned into a watered down, americanised version of their former glory, but if we try to cast a positive light on the rape and pillage of this ancient culture I guess we can surmise that there is now something for everyone..Why on earth the foppish mummies boys and their malignant broods couldn't just stay in their own familiar territories is something that will irk me forever
Aye, some of them have even washed the pentagrams off the wall.
It was your job in this case to attempt to do so.. but you didn't
Alas I was more concerned with not getting my head kicked in, I'm sure Yunki would have sorted it all out, I do have a fairly normal desire for self preservation!
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
This could be the start of a whole new thread...
What's irresponsible about them interacting with adults, and watching adults going about a perfectly normal and legal activity?
Was that stolen from the NRA? Replace alcohol with guns and things change slightly. Legal and moral is the question, I didn't say anything about legal. Alcoholism is becoming a big issue and normalising a drinking culture to younsters isn't going to help or be helped by taking the little ones to pubs. All in my opinion, of course ymmv.
Alas I was more concerned with not getting my head kicked in, I'm sure Yunki would have sorted it all out.
I don't think that I would have been upset if I had encountered swearing in an environment where working people go to get pissed up..
If I had my kids with me I may have asked if there was a quieter part of the pub where we could sit, or if they could recommend an alternative establishment..
I'm not having a dig at you really, I just think that your sense of entitlement is a little skewed on this issue
Leaving a bad review would be unfair I think as you didn't give the landlord an opportunity to solve your problem, and we only have a snapshot of what the pub is really like..
I don't think that I would have been upset if I had encountered swearing in an environment where working people go to get pissed up
They weren't what would be known as working people, I suspect.
And in terms of upset and overreaction, I think the ball is in your court now old chap, I asked a question and all the primadonnas on here start acting like John Wayne.
Whats your name....
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I asked a question and all the primadonnas on here start acting like John Wayne.
Yeah, because simply asking someone in the pub if they could reign it in a bit, is right up there with single-handedly storming a German machine gun position, isn't it? 😆
who am I to argue!
Sorry is that a question or a statement seen as you seem to have a bit of an issue with people confusing the two?
Was that stolen from the NRA? Replace alcohol with guns and things change slightly. Legal and moral is the question, I didn't say anything about legal. Alcoholism is becoming a big issue and normalising a drinking culture to younsters isn't going to help or be helped by taking the little ones to pubs. All in my opinion, of course ymmv.
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No, it comes from 20 years of living in Spain, where you can take your kids into almost any bar (except nightclubs). And the drinking culture over here is a lot less violent and based on the idea of getting off your face as fast as possible - perhaps that early exposure is actually a good idea?
I think the ball is in your court now old chap
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I would leave a review which said something like....
"reasonable beer but a bit sweary for my tastes - 2/5"
Is it Chamomile? Do I win five pounds?
That made me chuckle. Oh, am I banned now?
What about swearing in other public environments, the train, buses, football matches??
How do you handle that, you can't review that online, personally I jokingly say to the kids that the naughty man said a naughty word. the alternative - having a word, whilst it will probably be fine in most instances might lead to a confrontation I am happy to avoid.
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I think you have to understand that although pub culture has been forced to undergo a dramatic change over the last decade or so, it's a tradition that won't roll over and play dead..
FWIW the bloke I was describing is in his 50s, which being from Paisley means he has been drinking for at least 40 odd years.
I'm in in my 40s and have worked in a few pubs in Glasgow in my youth, and drunk in plenty.
There are special places where we go when there are kids around, they often have play areas attached, have lots of parking and are easily identifiable.
Yeah we go to them too - readily identifiable by the bar taps and the "Family Friendly" sign. 😀
There are pubs, and there are pubs.
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
Absolute nonsense.
I'm in in my 40s and have worked in a few pubs in Glasgow in my youth, and drunk in plenty.
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have a gold star!
"In the second pub there were kids present, and I wouldn't like my kids to be exposed to someone loudly boasting about how he kicked in "some c%nts head the night before."
things have obviously improved as a result of internet reviews
- i recall pubs where pacman was considered marginally more interesting (short term) than kicking some c#nts head in there and then
have a gold star!
You taking the pish pal?
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have a gold star!
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Absolute nonsense.
The OP would be in agreement with me on this as he doesn't want to expose little Timmy to the sweary men. What if the poor little cherubs start copying? The kids didn't choose to enter this environment on their own, did they? The parents, for some strange reason, believe that taking them into and adult, sweary, alcohol drioven den of iniquity is a good education for them. 🙄
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.The parents, for some strange reason, believe that taking them into and adult, sweary, alcohol drioven den of iniquity is a good education for them.
The Pub should be the heart of the community. Stop taking kids to the pub and you deny them an important part of their heritage and education.
Let me get this right.
You went to a pub and took exception with some of the other customers, who are really nothing to do with the pub and just happened to be there whilst you were there.
You did precisely nothing about this. You didn't politely ask them to tone it down; didn't report it to the staff who could've intervened on your behalf to avoid you possibly getting into a confrontation; didn't think to move tables or for that matter change venues. You didn't even report it as you were leaving so that they could be aware that some customers were being upset and make amends in future.
Better yet, you were offended not for yourself but on behalf of other patrons; complete strangers who, presumably, weren't actually offended sufficiently to bother to complain themselves. So they did nothing either.
Now, from the comfort of your armchair you're proposing to leave a scathing review of an establishment due to an issue that they were potentially oblivious to; an issue which almost entirely wasn't their fault (they could have intervened but then, if no-one has complained, should they risk making a fuss?) based on the behaviour of other customers, when [i]you've not even given that establishment any opportunity or even cause to deal with your silent complaint?[/i]
Seriously, why would you even be considering this? What do you hope to gain? If you're that keen to protect someone else's kids' delicate ears from nasty shouty men, write to the bloody pub and ask them to sort it out.
write to the bloody pub and ask them to sort it out.
In the form of an on-line review? 😛
Cougar - three letters explains the OP perfectly.
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Perhaps some simple tests to determine what [i]kind[/i] of pub you are in?
[b]Food:[/b]
A) full menu of cooked food and a kids menu with colouring pens.
B) sandwiches or pies
C) just crisps, pickled eggs, pork scratchings or peanuts from a cardboard display featuring a girl with her knockers out.
[b]Architectural features:[/b]
A) garden with swings and slides, indoor kids play area or soft play, toilets with baby change
B) wooden beams and shit; some old tankards, beer labels, brass or naff artwork scattered about.
C) flat roof or portacabin, chicken wire on the windows, sticky carpet, blue light in toilet
[b]Drink selection:[/b]
A) beer, lager, wine, tea, coffee, large selection of soft drinks and Fruit Shoots, J2O etc
B) wide selection of alcohol, few soft drinks on a draught gun
C) lager or value spirits
[b]Entertainment:[/b]
A) grabber machine containing soft toys, TV showing kids channel
B) fruit machine, jukebox, quiz night, darts, pool, TV showing sport
C) fighting
[b]Clientele:[/b]
A) family groups with kids
B) adults socialising, getting drunk and having a laugh
C) angry men with prison tattoos, knickerless 60 year old women dressed from teenagers wardrobe, random old bloke mumbling incomprehensibly.
[b]Result:[/b]
Mostly A's: family pub. Don't swear.
Mostly B's: swearing fine provided there are no young kids about.
Mostly C's: swearing compulsory.
random old bloke mumbling incomprehensibly.
OI!! I resemble that remark