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I visited two pubs yesterday, one in that there London (Old St) and one in Hertfordshire.
Both pubs were fairly empty, but are normally reputable establishments.
The only people in them, however, were pretty horrible, using very loud and coarse language, talking about fighting, etc, all to the cackle of the respective barmaid.
My question is - is this worthy of a bad review online?
It's a pub ffs. Lighten up or drink at home.
Won't somebody think of the children?!
A think a bad review would see those sweary shenanigans brought to a swift halt. And no mistake. You go for it tiger!
Have you thought of writing to your MP and demanding some action? Its probably the fault of someone in Brussels. Failing that, start an online petition. They always get results
My question is - is this worthy of a bad review online?
No.
If you're that upset by it speak to the landlord at the time but really, no, not at all.
Fair enough. I know of landlords who don't tolerate the use of the c-word in their pubs, and I respect that.
I don't personally think it's acceptable in traditional family pubs.
Toughen up Princess.
People swear.
It's a pub.
And why would 'review' it anyway? 😕
Did either of the pubs have a flat roof?
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You should have rustled your petticoats at them Susan. They'll then realise they're in the presence of a lady, and ceased their unseemly behaviour forthwith
In fairness if you were effing geffing in our local you'd get told to tone it down. If however you responded by giving a bad review ont'internet (and by some miracle it actually got back to the landlord) you'd probably get told to eff off.
[I]traditional family pubs[/I]
I don't think there is anything traditional about a "family pub"?
I always sift through the reviews before going to the pub. Obviously the 1-star ones are generally from loons, a bit like on the Evans website, so I'd advise going no lower than 2 stars.
Fair enough. I know of landlords who don't tolerate the use of the c-word in their pubs, and I respect that.
Fair, so I'm assuming in that case you spoke to the landlord then?
badnewz - Member
Fair enough. I know of landlords who don't tolerate the use of the c-word in their pubs
Calvados?
I visited two pubs yesterday, one in that there London (Old St) and one in Hertfordshire.
Are you sure they weren't simply saying [i][b]can't[/b][/i]? The way these southerners mangle vowels is quite horrendous.
I think some people have forgotten the basic rules of grammar and missed the fact that the original post was asking a question (not stating that I had written a bad review).
In the second pub there were kids present, and I wouldn't like my kids to be exposed to someone loudly boasting about how he kicked in "some c%nts head the night before."
Sometimes, when I am reminded that the world is a simply beastly place, full of uncouth ruffians, i take a moment and have a little cry. Then I dry my eyes with a lacy handkerchief, and reach for the keyboard, in the vain hope that my simple heartfelt review will install some humanity in people, and in some small way, help to make the world a nicer, kinder and more considerate place
Nice one Binners, you can do Irony. Full marks.
In the second pub there were kids present, and I wouldn't like my kids to be exposed to someone loudly boasting about how he kicked in "some c%nts head the night before."
Don't take your kids to the pub then FFS!! Maybe what you were hoping for was a bistro of some description?
badnewz, but did you speak to the landlord at the time? Posting a bad review will make no difference to what happened, speaking to the landlord there and then may have done.
Good reviewz for Binners!
Don't take your kids to the pub then FFS!!
They werent my kids, I should point out. And this is a pub that does serve as a local for families, and advertises itself as a family friendly pub.
The issue for me is basic control of the pub. I suspect if the landlord were present they would have been asked to tone it down.
In the second pub there were kids present, and I wouldn't like my kids to be exposed to someone loudly boasting about how he kicked in "some c%nts head the night before."
You should have kicked his head in, then you could have been that hero at the bar the next day.
And this is a pub that does serve as a local for families, and advertises itself as a family friendly pub.
They are usually the worse ones. Dilapidated adventure playground in the garden, mountain of fag butts by the door and an all day menu which usually compromises of various consistences of beige.
Calvados?
They're out of curaçao again, would you like a crème de menthe?
In a civilised society, and particularly in drinking emporiums, I believe their are ways in which these matters are resolved when a ladies honour has been offended....
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They werent my kids, I should point out. And this is a pub that does serve as a local for families, and advertises itself as a family friendly pub.The issue for me is basic control of the pub. I suspect if the landlord were present they would have been asked to tone it down.
In these days where pubs are closing down on a daily basis and these appear to be doing good business, I would say that the landlord's know what they're doing to keep the clientele happy. One random drop in customer ain't going to change that.
I don't go to Wacky Warehouse, kids shouldn't be allowed in pubs, especially pubs where the language can get a bit fruity. What were the irresponsible parents thinking of exposing kids to such horrors?
You could've asked them to tone it down yourself.
Much easier to do nothing and then whinge on the internet later.
restraining orders are differentI don't go to Wacky Warehouse
The only people in them, however, were pretty horrible, using very loud and coarse language, talking about fighting, etc, all to the cackle of the respective barmaid.
Don't ever visit Scotland or Ireland. You'll have a heart attack
I wonder if the OP has gone somewhere to leave negative feedback about this thread. 😛
You could've asked them to tone it down yourself.Much easier to do nothing and then whinge on the internet later.
Maybe read the original post? Perhaps you could learn that a sentence which ends with a question mark is asking a question?
I was expecting some intelligent answers, but if this post gives the chaps the opportunity to brag about their manliness, albeit anonymously and behind a screen, who am I to argue!
who am I to argue!
You seem to be managing just fine.
I'm sure all the sweary blokes are going to be feeling thoroughly ashamed of themselves, and more than a little bit embarrassed, when they read your review.
I was expecting some intelligent answers
I think you'rew getting plenty of intelligent answers, they just happen to be the opposite of what you were hoping for and in a bit more of a jovial tone than you expected.
Don't ever visit Scotland or Ireland. You'll have a heart attack
Or Spain. Assuming you speak Spanish. Or worse: your children speak it 😯
know of landlords who don't tolerate the use of the c-word in their pubs, and I respect that.
Is it Chamomile? Do I win five pounds?
I think you'rew getting plenty of intelligent answers, they just happen to be the opposite of what you were hoping for and in a bit more of a jovial tone than you expected.
As it happens I was looking for different perspectives, and I see the overall point that it would be an overreaction to post a bad review.
But I don't agree with the line of argument that because it's a pub, anything goes in terms of language.
scaredypants - Member
I don't go to Wacky Warehouse
restraining orders are different
Quality. 😆
OP - you have my sympathy.
Our local is trying a re-brand and has hired new enthusiastic chefs. We are keen to support and have been twice recently. On both occasions, we have had to endure loud-mouthed swearing and BS dominating the whole pub. We gave it two chances, wont bother again. If the landlord can't create the atmosphere you like, don't go.
Vile language anywhere dissapoints me 🙁
was it the William Blake? doubt a bad review would put off any of their punters...
Depends on the pub I'd say.
If it is a proper drinking den then suck it up, but if it advertises itself as "Family Friendly" then it should be and the bar staff should keep folk in check.
Worth a review if only to give other parents a heads up that it may not be an ideal place to take little Timmy.
Incidentally, I was chatting to a drinking buddy the other day and he was telling me about his favourite drinking den in Paisley (which for those unfamiliar with Scottish socio-economic geography is "a bit rough").
The landlord there has a strict "No swearing at the bar" policy.
You get told about it on your first strike. Third strike and you are turfed out.
Which results in many conversations along the lines of:
[i]"blah blah fkity blah"
"No swearing at the bar please"
"Whit the *?"
"No swearing at the bar. Do that again and you are out."
"**** off"
"Right, finish your drink and get out"[/i]
Apparently it keeps all the zoomers out, which in Paisley is an impressive feat.
scaredypants - Member
I don't go to Wacky Warehouse
restraining orders are different
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I suspect if the landlord were present they would have been asked to tone it down.
So again, I ask the question, did you speak to the staff there in person? It's not a case of being manly or other such crap, I can undersand why you'd not want to talk to the group in the bar, but not that you wouldn't/didn't talk to the people behind the bar. It's a case of dealing with a situation in person rather than behind a keyboard.
I'd leave the review you feel appropriate myself
If the landlord is bothered about attracting families, he'll make an effort to keep his clientele in check
If he secretly holds a fight club in his cellar on Thursdays it'll be a good advert, seeing as he can't talk about it himself
Win, win
A serious question for the [s]bedwetters[/s] more discerning and sensitive individuals on the thread....
You people read online reviews of pubs before you visit them?
Seriously?
OP, where in Hertfordshire, out of interest?
I find it hard to believe it was in one of the [i]nicer[/i] parts of the county of opportunity, but could quite believe it if we're talking Hitchin or Hemel Hempstead - they do tend to give the county a bad name.
So again, I ask the question, did you speak to the staff there in person? It's not a case of being manly or other such crap, I can undertsnad why you'd not want to talk to the group in the bar, but not that you wouldn't/didn't talk to the people behind the car. It's a case of dealing with a situation in person rather than behind a keyboard.
No I didn't, I finished my drink and left. There was only one girl behind the bar and it would have been impossible to have a quiet word, there was also a risk I would have got my "head kicked in" from the group by the bar.
And so again, I remind everyone that I was asking a genuine question, not "dealing" with the situation from behind a keyboard.
As it happens I was looking for different perspectives, and I see the overall point that it would be an overreaction to post a bad review.
It's not that it would be an [b]over[/b]reaction, more that it's the [b]wrong [/b]reaction.
You either care about such things, or you don't.
If you care then complain, in person, at the time.
Saying nothing at the time, and then Complaining online after the fact, is a behaviour the Internet seems to encourage. And it's one that we would be far better off without.
Binners, since when did you turn into the manliest man in the manhood of man?
Saying nothing at the time, and then Complaining online after the fact, is a behaviour the Internet seems to encourage. And it's one that we would be far better off without.
That would be a legitimate point if I had named the pubs.
Worth a review if only to give other parents a heads up that it may not be an ideal place to take little Timmy.
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You people read online reviews of pubs before you visit them?
Only if I'm after food, for a drink I will make my own assessment before having a second pint.
Binners, since when did you turn into the manliest man in the manhood of man?
Did you not know? I'm Northern. We're all ****in' nails oop 'ere buttercup! 😀
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It's not that it would be an overreaction, more that it's the wrong reaction.You either care about such things, or you don't.
If you care then complain, in person, at the time.
Saying nothing at the time, and then Complaining online after the fact, is a behaviour the Internet seems to encourage. And it's one that we would be far better off without.
Is the correct answer.
It may have been a girl behind the bar but my experience of bar staff, male and female, is they are more than capable of having a word with a rowdy group if needed. They do however not see everything so sometimes needs someone to explain the issue...in person, at the time.
Binners is on the right in this photo...
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I really dont get why you're even worrying about this. Its not your job to police the pub industry. If you feel you need to leave a negative review then do so, but personally I'd just avoid the place and if anyone I knew was considering going to "The Olde Swearie Boozere" with kids I'd suggest they go elsewhere.
I suspect outside of town and city centres most pubs are labelled as family friendly, even if they're not.
I think you have to understand that although pub culture has been forced to undergo a dramatic change over the last decade or so, it's a tradition that won't roll over and play dead..
It's a shame that a certain demographic has tried to muscle in on the trade in the wake of the anti-smoking disaster, and that the hardest hit pubs have been turned into a watered down, americanised version of their former glory, but if we try to cast a positive light on the rape and pillage of this ancient culture I guess we can surmise that there is now something for everyone..
Why on earth the foppish mummies boys and their malignant broods couldn't just stay in their own familiar territories is something that will irk me forever
I think it could be absolutely accurate in this case to say 'I blame fatcher'
It's a shame that a certain demographic has tried to muscle in on the trade in the wake of the anti-smoking disaster, and that the hardest hit pubs have been turned into into a watered down, americanised version of their former glory, but if we try to cast a positive light on the rape and pillage of this ancient culture I guess we can surmise that there is now something for everyone..
I'm not so sure. I know a few old drinkers in their 90s who said that pubs used to be able to police themselves back in the day, and loud, vile language, especially the use of the c-word, was generally not tolerated. There is an important difference between swearing in your own small group and bellowing it out for everyone to hear.
yes a pub has always policed itself..
It was your job in this case to attempt to do so.. but you didn't
Worth a review if only to give other parents a heads up that it may not be an ideal place to take little Timmy.
I can make it even easier to avoid and we don't even need the internet to find the answer.
If it looks like a pub, don't take little Timmy in. As an adult there are places I like to go to escape kids and I find it a wholly selfish act taking kids into pubs. There are special places where we go when there are kids around, they often have play areas attached, have lots of parking and are easily identifiable. I would expect language to be controlled in the so called family pubs, but not in an adult environment.
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
What's irresponsible about them interacting with adults, and watching adults going about a perfectly normal and legal activity?
I'm not clear from the OP's posts if they had kids with them or not.
If not, the potty mouths may have actually stopped swearing if they had seen that you had children with you.
It's a shame that a certain demographic has tried to muscle in on the trade in the wake of the anti-smoking disaster, and that the hardest hit pubs have been turned into a watered down, americanised version of their former glory, but if we try to cast a positive light on the rape and pillage of this ancient culture I guess we can surmise that there is now something for everyone..Why on earth the foppish mummies boys and their malignant broods couldn't just stay in their own familiar territories is something that will irk me forever
Aye, some of them have even washed the pentagrams off the wall.
It was your job in this case to attempt to do so.. but you didn't
Alas I was more concerned with not getting my head kicked in, I'm sure Yunki would have sorted it all out, I do have a fairly normal desire for self preservation!
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
This could be the start of a whole new thread...
What's irresponsible about them interacting with adults, and watching adults going about a perfectly normal and legal activity?
Was that stolen from the NRA? Replace alcohol with guns and things change slightly. Legal and moral is the question, I didn't say anything about legal. Alcoholism is becoming a big issue and normalising a drinking culture to younsters isn't going to help or be helped by taking the little ones to pubs. All in my opinion, of course ymmv.
Alas I was more concerned with not getting my head kicked in, I'm sure Yunki would have sorted it all out.
I don't think that I would have been upset if I had encountered swearing in an environment where working people go to get pissed up..
If I had my kids with me I may have asked if there was a quieter part of the pub where we could sit, or if they could recommend an alternative establishment..
I'm not having a dig at you really, I just think that your sense of entitlement is a little skewed on this issue
Leaving a bad review would be unfair I think as you didn't give the landlord an opportunity to solve your problem, and we only have a snapshot of what the pub is really like..
I don't think that I would have been upset if I had encountered swearing in an environment where working people go to get pissed up
They weren't what would be known as working people, I suspect.
And in terms of upset and overreaction, I think the ball is in your court now old chap, I asked a question and all the primadonnas on here start acting like John Wayne.
Whats your name....
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I asked a question and all the primadonnas on here start acting like John Wayne.
Yeah, because simply asking someone in the pub if they could reign it in a bit, is right up there with single-handedly storming a German machine gun position, isn't it? 😆
who am I to argue!
Sorry is that a question or a statement seen as you seem to have a bit of an issue with people confusing the two?
Was that stolen from the NRA? Replace alcohol with guns and things change slightly. Legal and moral is the question, I didn't say anything about legal. Alcoholism is becoming a big issue and normalising a drinking culture to younsters isn't going to help or be helped by taking the little ones to pubs. All in my opinion, of course ymmv.
NRA 🙄
No, it comes from 20 years of living in Spain, where you can take your kids into almost any bar (except nightclubs). And the drinking culture over here is a lot less violent and based on the idea of getting off your face as fast as possible - perhaps that early exposure is actually a good idea?
I think the ball is in your court now old chap
😆
I would leave a review which said something like....
"reasonable beer but a bit sweary for my tastes - 2/5"
Is it Chamomile? Do I win five pounds?
That made me chuckle. Oh, am I banned now?
What about swearing in other public environments, the train, buses, football matches??
How do you handle that, you can't review that online, personally I jokingly say to the kids that the naughty man said a naughty word. the alternative - having a word, whilst it will probably be fine in most instances might lead to a confrontation I am happy to avoid.
yunki - Member
I think you have to understand that although pub culture has been forced to undergo a dramatic change over the last decade or so, it's a tradition that won't roll over and play dead..
FWIW the bloke I was describing is in his 50s, which being from Paisley means he has been drinking for at least 40 odd years.
I'm in in my 40s and have worked in a few pubs in Glasgow in my youth, and drunk in plenty.
There are special places where we go when there are kids around, they often have play areas attached, have lots of parking and are easily identifiable.
Yeah we go to them too - readily identifiable by the bar taps and the "Family Friendly" sign. 😀
There are pubs, and there are pubs.
Kids don't belong in pubs and exposing children to alcohol and drinking environments is irresponsible parenting.
Absolute nonsense.
I'm in in my 40s and have worked in a few pubs in Glasgow in my youth, and drunk in plenty.
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have a gold star!
"In the second pub there were kids present, and I wouldn't like my kids to be exposed to someone loudly boasting about how he kicked in "some c%nts head the night before."
things have obviously improved as a result of internet reviews
- i recall pubs where pacman was considered marginally more interesting (short term) than kicking some c#nts head in there and then