[Closed] Vehicle diesel scrapage scheme from April 17, £8.5k trade in ??

http://www.racfoundation.org/media-centre/diesel-scrappage-scheme-press-release
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/officials-drawing-plans-diesel-scrappage-scheme-cut-emissions/

Work is underway by officials in the Department for Transport and Defra on a scheme to offer cashback or a discount on low-emission cars if people trade in their old polluting vehicles.

A government source confirmed that talks had taken place with the Treasury, which would finance the plan, and officials were developing a scheme that could focus on geographical areas around the country where pollution is worst.

Are we the taxpayer made of money?

Muchoz Graziaz.

So that's euro 4 standard cars? Pre diesel particulate filter essentially?

Well with Brexit on its way it's a good place to start circulating the money around the motor industry before it all moves back to Europe.

But actually I think it's a great idea, hope the Nasty Party include bussss and taxis and all trucks.

Forgive the ignorance of the following question, as it could be ridiculous!

But, if i was looking for a new car after this scheme is in place. Could I search through trader and second hand adverts for a car that fits this scheme perfectly, buy it cheap then take it to trade in and save on a new car the next day?

I'm not planning on doing this by the way. As I have a fantastic 1L Citroen C1 :).
But just thought I'd ask after reading this post.

Cheers
J

As an owner of an 11 year old Touran with a wife looking to buy a new car soon, the sooner this comes in the better.

It's the beginning of the end of cars that burn stuff.

Which is about bloody time.

But actually I think it's a great idea, hope the Nasty Party include bussss and taxis and all trucks.

There will be some sort of restriction on ownership length surely.. wasn't the last one vilified for its lack of length of ownership until all the £100 shit heaps were bought and used as deposits ?

I've got no idea, but 10 year old cars would/possibly/should still fetch strong money even if they kill baby Robins.

I [i]was[/i] planning to run my 17year old Seat Alhambra TDI into the ground....

Err, last time this pushed the prices up of eligible scrappable cars, to reflect the amount they'd attract as trade-in.

The last time this happened in France people traded in old petrol 205s, R5s etc. to buy E4/5 diesels that are now considered worse than the petrol engines they pushed off the road. 🙁

Like last time it will generate more tax and more debt than it cost

Reduce car dependency rather than getting folk signing up to debt because thhy. Reckon they are getting a good deal

More so given the new tax bands starting in April.

I'll be pissed off if it's only diesels.

We've (apparently) done the right thing and run our small petrol fiesta into the ground, and would consider an EV as a replacement. Where's our incentive!

The government will pay a portion of your e.v is that not enough incentive? Don't think you even need to trade your old car.

that not enough incentive

Apparently not, hence them offering another £8.5k.

I don't like these scrapage schemes in general. They benefit those who can afford a new car, which is maybe the top 20% of people. It's not like prices of used 3yr old cars will drop by the same amount and befit everyone else.

So if I chop in my old smelly Diesel and DON'T buy another can I should get maximum cash as that'll be even less polluting.

So if I chop in my old smelly Diesel and DON'T buy another can I should get maximum cash as that'll be even less polluting.

Yup, if they really wanted to make a difference it should be "scrap your car and we'll invest the £8.5k into public transport and bike lanes in your village/area"

or

"scrap your car and we'll invest the £8.5k into buying 30 commuter hybrids and giving one to everyone on your street in an effort to achieve a critical mass of cyclists"

, and officials were developing a scheme that could focus on geographical areas around the country where pollution is worst.

So it's for cars that don't drive very far?

Can I get the fleets of soot belching Octavia Taxi's in Liverpool scrapped?
Worst one I've seen was an 11 plate saloon that seemed to have the James Bond smoke screen add on fitted!

Hmmmmm the Turbo in my 55 plate Yaris diesel has started to get rattly.... but over 60mpg around town is hard to beat.... though that sort of scheme could push me into something else....Only issue I have is I need something that can tow trailer.....

Any good to you ?

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Hmmm don't quite need a trailer that big, only a Erde 142, will be intrested to see what "eco" cars will covered if the scheme happens.

I'd be surprised at the £8.5k value. That's a helluva generous amount, unless of course that's against a full EV, which I think already get a pretty large discount?

What I don't understand is, I thought that the diesel engine was originally invented to burn a multitude of different fuels. Surely it's the oil industry who should be looking at a replacement fuel to burn, rather than smelly old diesel. My view is probably oversimplified, but you get my point!

So, wheres this alleged £8.5k quoted in any of the articles? Or others.

What I don't understand is, I thought that the diesel engine was originally invented to burn a multitude of different fuels. Surely it's the oil industry who should be looking at a replacement fuel to burn, rather than smelly old diesel. My view is probably oversimplified, but you get my point!

as with any of these scrappage schemes they are not really going to benefit the people who really need to use them.

I run a 15 year old 2 litre diesel estate and a 12 year old diesel freelander. We would like to replace both but I see cars as a waste of money. I am considering either spending up to £5k to replace my estate and up to £9k to change the FL to a newer one.

Other options to replace the estate are a 2nd hand nissan leaf, business lease i3, 2nd hand T5 or a nearly new pickup as a business vehicle and we replace the FL with a smaller more economical car and use the pickup for towing duties.

Buying a new car is not an option I am entertaining and the scrappage doesnt change that. The depreciation in the first couple of years of ownership are WAAAY above the scrappage and I see buying a new car as throwing money down the drain.

still doesn't deal with tyre and brake dust. It also doesn't deal with the way our towns and cities are dominated by motor vehicles to the detriment of people. It doesn't deal with the 2,500 people killed by cars each year.

IF the government was serious about pollution it would look at options that aren't private cars. It won't happen though.

Chris "door a cyclist" Grayling has stated that bikes aren't road users. Which i think nicely sums up his position.

wilburt - Member
It's the beginning of the end of cars that burn stuff.
Which is about bloody time.

does it need to deal with tyre and brake dust? the amount given off is minute, which is obvious when you look at how often you have to change them and how much material is removed each time.

8.5k is the vat on a ~£40k car. depending on the rules behind this (it might be 'up to £8.5k' for example) - it might be simply making the car vat free, rather than an actual discount

40k is some sort of typical car price is it ?

Im sure the folk who are off to buy 40 k cars in april are driving around in their 10year old diesel now....

No they are most likely renting their 2-3 year old diesel just now

@zero

You're like some DM reader clinging on to alt facts.

Do you have a little picture of 'jezza' in your wallet?

it is probably not far off the average cost of a new electric car. The nissan leaf (which is the 'crappiest' electric car I could think of) starts at £27k

Aye and its still extremly prohibitative in its usefulness.

All I remember from the last scrappage scheme is that loads of perfectly serviceable cars, including a lot of classics, were scrapped so that the owner could be 'eco-friendly' when Greenpeace and other Environmental groups were saying that the greenest way to deal with old cars was to keep them running well and for as long as practicable. The biggest cause of pollution is building the things!! If we want to improve air quality in out towns and cities we need to offer alternative ways of getting around them to the internal combustion engine. Bicycles, electric cars, trams, etc.

40k is some sort of typical car price is it ?

Im sure the folk who are off to buy 40 k cars in april are driving around in their 10year old diesel now....

No they are most likely renting their 2-3 year old diesel just now

That's why it'll be used by the lease companies to make their deals look even better!

It also doesn't deal with the way our towns and cities are dominated by motor vehicles to the detriment of people. It doesn't deal with the 2,500 people killed by cars each year.

This.

Well said milky

As I said it's a thinly veiled tax grab enticing people into the new tax regeim while driving up dealer prices again (which happened during the last one )

But, as I said, we will have to prop up the Motor industry when Brexit hits.. it's probably what T'Mo gave Nissan in a Golden Handshake to keep the production here until 2019 when they pack thier bags and head to Hungary.

I have a mk4 golf tdi 2004 that's near the end of its life but even with 8.5k off I still could not replace it with a new equivalent.

So another soot belching banger will replace it instead I exspect

Well with Brexit on its way it's a good place to start circulating the money around the motor industry before it all moves back to Europe.

I fail to see benefits to lots of people. £ 8.5k won't buy me a new car so why bother? Cheaper and easier to keep it. Personally I would rather stop the selfish use of vehicles in the first place. Hoiw much pollution comes from unnecessary travel? Holidays abroad spring to mind. Next day delivery? Driving to ride a bike or go for a walk?
I have yet to see any 100% perfect evidence that buying a new car, with its built in redundancy is less than a decade is more environmentally sound than me keeping my 1986 land rover for another 20 years. Diesel or not.
Alternative transport ideas are bollox. They won't be bug enough to stop effectively the selfish human. People want to drive to the shopping malls(sad buggers) or drive for pleasure purposes. Rural areas will take the hit as usual ( funny how that minority is allowed to be abused) as public transport will never be effective enough any more.
Love the principal but it would be better spent encouraging people to holiday at home, ride bikes, and undo Beeching.

mitsumonkey - Member
Good effort though for trying to shoehorn Brexit into every thread.

Thanks, but your lack of a "P" means we don't take your thoughts seriously.