[Closed] Vegans?

It's a shame that a moderator on here is the one being the biggest prat on this thread

You might want to read my posts again.

Thats impressive hellz that someone you spend half your life with doesn't even notice or engage with you to not know something as simple as that. Mind you he does sound a bit of a nob.

Liver's horrible, can't understand why all you meat eaters eat liver, it's rank!

There seems to have been a bit of an increase in popularity recently and I've no complaints about that.

Nice to know that you have no complaints about it. 🙄

I've been vegan for almost 6 years now. Sometimes it's a bit of a pain when going out for meals but a lot of places especially chains are getting very good at catering for different diets.

it can be very tempting to feast on vegan junk food which is often packed with sugar or fats. I was struggling for a few years with an element of my fitness and I thought it was because of my diet actually was because I need anot inhaler when I do sport.

I wish more people would be Vegan.
There'd be more meat for others who aren't.

This and every other veggie/vegan thread presented in another format: (switch the word 'vegan' for 'cyclist')

Annoying vegan played by Carlton Reid.
Annoyed/perplexed/confused/demanding/sarcastic/uninformed meat-eating comic played by Christopher Biggins.
Peanut gallery played by and with themselves.

some vegans are just *****

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/remembrance-day-guildford-police-remove-12162676

some [s]vegans[/s] people are just *****

My wife and I have been vegan 5 years and were long term veggie before that. I make a point of not arguing about it though especially on the internet!

Why not try it for a month, you might like it 🙂

Why not try it for a month, you might like it

I'm a rabid carnivore and will try hard to protect that, and I love a bit of piss taking banter with my veggie and vegan chums.

However vegans are proof positive that we do not need to eat meat at all. I admire them for their stance, persistence, culinary inventiveness (had many delicious vegan meals), and patience in the face of being baited. There are many incredibly fit and healthy vegans.

In the light of this proof, we meat eaters should accept that we do it for pleasure, and embrace that, rather than trying to come up with some spurious moralising about how carnivorism is necessary. For me it is enough that we enjoy it, that makes it necessary enough. I don't see proposals to ban Lions or Hyenas from eating meat.

No theotherjonv I won't abstract my comment about the fact people can be **** but thanks for reporting my post.

31 years, and I can be a right **** if I want to.

I found a way to combat the agressive meat eaters. Simply slay their beloved pet in front of them and tell them to eat it! Works every time! 😉

Simply slay their beloved pet in front of them and tell them to eat it! Works every time!

I asked for it to be corrected because you're wrong to [u]correct[/u] my post in this case. If you'd have posted 'some people are arses' without correcting my statement I'd have agreed, but you used the commonly accepted 'FTFY' styling that is used on here to correct people. My statement is correct and relevant to this discussion about vegans and a perceived higher morality.

Equally if I'd posted 'all vegans are arses' or even just 'vegans are arses' then I'd accept correcting.

Also - I reported it to give you a chance to correct it offline without resorting to calling out on line. But thanks for doing that anyway 🙄

And by the way I asked for you to REtract it, not abstract it.

You may be a moderator, but that doesn't mean you aren't subject to the same rules as the rest of us on here and you're behaving like a bit of a nob here imho.

I found a way to combat the agressive meat eaters. Simply slay their beloved pet in front of them and tell them to eat it! Works every time!

I asked for it to be corrected because you're wrong to correct my post in this case. If you'd have posted 'some people are arses' without correcting my statement I'd have agreed, but you used the commonly accepted 'FTFY' styling that is used on here to correct people. My statement is correct and relevant to this discussion about vegans and a perceived higher morality.

I corrected it as she's a person campaigning at the wrong time, about animal rights, the fact it happens to fit into a vegan thread is meaningless.

I used abstract instead retract as I'm dyslexic and get words mixed up.

re the quorn thing- they brought out a couple of vegan products earlier this year, and have said they're planning on expanding their vegan range.
they're not the best, but generally easy to find in shops and their stance seems to have forced other brands/companies to put more effort in, so recently you've got most of the major supermarkets bringing out their own brand ranges of vegan products (notably tesco and sainsburys have their own ranges of non-dairy cheese alternatives made predominantly from coconut, sainsburys have removed the egg from their own brand veggie "meat" balls and veggie burgers, loads of coconut milk based yoghurts etc etc). whilst these types of products are probably not a good idea to rely on, they're quite handy to have in for those days you're short on prep/cooking time i find.

anyway, shout out to all the "why do you vegans eat things that are made to look/taste like meat/cheese?", you're all super fun!

no, in this case she's a vegan first and foremost. That doesn't need correcting to 'people' - her militant veganism is the point. And it's highly relevant in a thread about whether vegans are forcing their vegan values onto meat-eaters or vice versa.

Still wish you'd kept this offline, as I tried to, though.

I changed it to people as I've stated she's a person that's all there is to it.

I brought the issue online as it would have made no sense for me to change my post because you wanted me to, so I opened it hear as part of the discussion on this thread.

I don't believe vegans force beliefs on anyone, the same as I don't believe none vegans perceive them as having high moralities or every non vegan drills vegans on their beliefs. There's some people that do these on either side but that's because people behave differently no matter if their vegan, veggid, omnivore or freegan.

Just like mods can sometimes be a prat or a nob.

People who choose to be vegan, then go about pissing everyone off and evangelising in peoples faces and generally being unpleasant do not represent me. I am vegan because I choose to be, based upon my own ethics and principles. Most people are not vegan, because they like meat or cheese or whatever.
When you come on a thread and start pointing to the most extreme examples of vegan fascism it does appear that you are trying to bait people.
I could give you a list of pretty disgusting people who kill and eat animals, but that's not really the point now, is it?

slowoldman - Member
Liver's horrible, can't understand why all you meat eaters eat liver, it's rank!

No it isn't and it goes well with bacon.

Eat what you like, I don't give a shit, but I DO give a shit about what I eat. Anyone who struggles with that concept is a bit weird really, on either side of the fence.

Yeah Fin25 puts it better.

When you come on a thread and start pointing to the most extreme examples of vegan fascism it does appear that you are trying to bait people.

Not my intention. I thought it was relevant in a debate about whether some vegans force their views onto meat eaters and v/v. That's why I said SOME.

I could give you a list of pretty disgusting people who kill and eat animals, but that's not really the point now, is it?

But this wasn't about whether there are disgusting people who kill and eat animals (which there are, no dispute), it was about this particular person for her hijacking yesterday of one of the nations most 'sacred' traditions to push her beliefs.

Some Vegans are *****. I said it again. Particularly that one. That, as a statement, does not need correcting.

Vegans/vegetarians, answer me this - Quorn. Why?? Why eat a (poor) meat substitute??

Why eat chicken burgers, when they're just a poor beef substitute?

Is she more of a **** than the people who want to ride around the countryside watching packs of abused dogs ripping wild animals to bits?

Is she more of a **** than the people who committed all these crimes?
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/28/fsa-4000-breaches-animal-welfare-laws-uk-abattoirs-two-years ]4000 breaches of animal welfare laws[/url]

Is she more of a **** than this guy?

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Most people who eat meat would be horrified to be associated with these sorts of people based purely on them having only one thing in common.

So carry on, lets keep playing **** bingo, I bet you'll run out of ****s before I do.

No. But they didn't turn up to the remembrance day service yesterday and start shouting about how great killing lions was.

Oooh a nice lion chop.

I like a lot of vegan food, particularly some of the sweets as they often avoid refined sugar, my local cycling cafe has a vegan chef who makes energy bars and 'vegan twix bars' with orange and turmeric. Sounds horrible tastes great.
If they make that choice then I'm not going to try to convince them otherwise. It's the token vegetarians I don't like, often they just eat frozen quorn/fake sausages and other sugar/fat laden prepared foods.

In short anyone who thinks carefully about what they eat and where it comes from gets a thumbs up. I' eat a lot of game as that's how I was brought up. Very much a you kill it, you eat it policy.

But our life choices will always have some impact on other animals, if a vegan walks out the door they are using infrastructure that has an impact on plants and animals. Even that door they opened was once a living ecosystem.

If I meet a bleating on vegan I just ask them when they are going to stop impacting on the environment and do the decent thing? They just have to decide if they are going to be turned to ash first as that's better for the soil.

No. But they didn't turn up to the remembrance day service yesterday and start shouting about how great killing lions was.

So do what you like, be as cruel as you like, just don't talk about it near the war memorial?

Seriously?

Not excusing the particular lady's behaviour, it is obviously not a cool thing to do, maybe she needs some psychiatric help or counselling or something.
Or maybe she feels that that's the only forum she's got.
After all, the fox hunters have the government's ear.
The shonky slaughterhouses keep getting away with it, there's no real sanctions for the crimes they commit.
Oh, and the last guy, well, who's behaviour caused more outrage internationally, his or the annoying local vegan shouty lady?

Some meat eaters really are ****s!

Thanks Mr Smith, I've bagged a few bingo squares from Page 1 😉

In short anyone who thinks carefully about what they eat and where it comes from gets a thumbs up. I' eat a lot of game as that's how I was brought up. Very much a you kill it, you eat it policy.

Pretty much where I'm coming from (as a vegetarian of, oh, 25 years or more). With the caveat that I couldn't give a tuppenny toss what anyone else eats; I've a lot more respect for the omnivores who are happy about their meat comes from and would cheerfully hunt / prep their own meat, than the ones who want someone else to do all the wetwork and can only cope with it when it's unrecognisable in handy shrink-wrapped containers. I was always squeamish about it, which was one of my primary reasons for going veggie in the first place.

As for Retractiongate, it's certainly [i]true [/i]to say "some vegans are arseholes," but more [i]correct [/i]to say "some people are arseholes." The difference being that the former implies that some vegans have some sort of extra inherent arseholeness that differs from the rest of society, which is disingenuous. Some vegans [i]are[/i] arseholes; so are some meat-eaters, some cyclists, some lesbians, some Frenchmen, some footballers, some [insert any other demographic you like really]. Can we put this to bed now, it's getting increasingly tedious.

More than happy to. Never wanted it in public anyway.

If I meet a bleating on vegan I just ask them when they are going to stop impacting on the environment and do the decent thing? They just have to decide if they are going to be turned to ash first as that's better for the soil.

Its a powerful and well thought out argument FROWNS

I make a point of not arguing about it though especially on the internet!

Why not try it for a month, you might like i

In the light of this proof, we meat eaters should accept that we do it for pleasure, and embrace that, rather than trying to come up with some spurious moralising about how carnivorism is necessary. For me it is enough that we enjoy it, that makes it necessary enough

The only real thing I have an issue with is that a number of meat eaters would not be prepared to raise and then kill animals for food. I was one of them so I stopped eating it.

I dont really care what others do or what they eat but meat eaters eat it because its tasty and that requires you to kill things capable of feeling pain and suffering. If you are morally comfortable with this choice then crack on. I am not so I dont.

I dont really get why so many folk care what other think
IME there are as many vegans who do as meat eaters as both sides will receive lectures from the other side

I once got accused of child abuse for raising my kids vegan[ real world not internet]. Its not the sort of argument that makes you reconsider your views it makes you think that person is a dick
Vegans are equally capable of stupid arguments that make meat eaters think they are dicks

I once got accused of child abuse for raising my kids vegan[ real world not internet]. Its not the sort of argument that makes you reconsider your views it makes you think that person is a dick
Vegans are equally capable of stupid arguments that make meat eaters think they are dicks

I dont really care what others do or what they eat but meat eaters eat it because its tasty and that requires you to kill things. If you are morally comfortable with this choice then crack on. I am not so I dont.

Yup that's my view but obviously on the side if I eat meat.

I did use to shoot game, raised pheasants too and control vermin. I then sold my guns as I had a young family and didn't have the time any more. As time has gone on I've questioned my morals behind what I did and despite enjoying working the dogs and the 'sport' it was wrong. I now see little need for the sport of pheasant shooting and the likes.

i think killing for "sport" is not the same as killing for food

i think many folk have ethical concerns with folk who kill for fun, not just vegans.

i think killing for "sport" is not the same as killing for food

You're right it's not but that was kind of my point as to why it's not necessary.

i think many folk have ethical concerns with folk who kill for fun, not just vegans.

Yeah I'm sure that's pretty obvious.

Have we done vegan kids yet? I admit it, mine have weak bones, no energy and look a bit pale.

I guess you won't be moving to Italy.

i think killing for "sport" is not the same as killing for food

i think many folk have ethical concerns with folk who kill for fun, not just vegans.

I would like you to consider this carefully and allow us to discuss this. Earlier you agreed with my point that

In the light of this proof, [b]we meat eaters should accept that we do it for pleasure[/b], and embrace that, rather than trying to come up with some spurious moralising about how carnivorism is necessary. For me it is enough that we enjoy it, that makes it necessary enough

Now as a meat eater, and a sometime hunter/self butcherer etc, I do enjoy the hunt - but I prefer to only hunt/kill for meat - but we agreed that I only eat meat for pleasure (IE I don't biolically require it)- therefore I am hunting/carnivoring for pleasure, correct?
Whilst I find hunting lions and other non "table" animals distasteful, I don't feel as a raging meat eater that I have a moral leg to stand on criticising the trophy hunters when I derive pleasure from the non necessary killing of animals.

Toys, you're my kind of meat eater. 🙂

therefore I am hunting/carnivoring for pleasure, correct?

We might be nearing the fallacy of equivocation here.

yes you enjoy eating meat and they enjoy killing things for fun. However you eat meat to survive and they kill it for fun. They are just not equivalent just because neither are truly necessary and both are fun.

Whilst i get your point[ and it was well made] - and trust me i have done these debates to death[ see what i did there]- everyone can see the difference between killing for food and killing for fun.

You may as well argue cycling and eat meat or "sport killing" are the same; all are "fun" and none are necessary

However you eat meat to survive and they kill it for fun.

They must go hand in hand. We wouldn't have evolved if we didn't enjoy hunting. Well, we might have evolved as somebody else's lunch.

They must go hand in hand. We wouldn't have evolved if we didn't enjoy hunting. Well, we might have evolved as somebody else's lunch.

I'm not convinced humans originally did it for shits and giggles.

not least because, without weapons,and long range ones at that, it's a pretty dangerous activity with a very real risk of injury and death. It was not sport it was survival.

These days its a safe place to just murder something for fun
you dont need to be vegan to have issues with this