I got pulled by a Copper for pulling away from my parking space whilst putting my seatbelt on. Apparently I should have put my seatbelt on first before pulling away??
My brother and his Mrs are Coppers so I won't harp on about it, but surely to God they have better things to do than hang around a car-park pulling folk for such trivial matters?
You broke the law, get over it. My relations are wealthy, doesn't mean that I don't need to work so it doesn't really matter what family relationships you have with the old bill.
Ps if this is an attempted troll. It sucks like Debbie in Dallas
My brother and his Mrs are Coppers so I won't harp on about it, but surely to God they have better things to do than hang around a car-park pulling folk for such trivial matters?
I guess the question that springs to mind is how did you not notice them?
You seem to be cross at the Police because they enforced the law.
HOw ridiculous of them I think you should complain
So you think it is a good use of Tax Payers money to cop folk who put their seatbelts on ten seconds too late??
How could you fasten your seatbelt safely whilst driving?
To be fair. If they issued a ticket, maybe that would be over the top, but I sometimes wish they would pull over more people for minor driving offences. A short ticking off would make most people think twice.
How could you fasten your seatbelt safely whilst driving?[i]
Tell me you are taking the piss?
Maybe they were there for another reason entirely and you were merely distracting them from something more "important"
And how can you be in full and proper control of your vehicle (whilst making a pulling away manoeuvre) when you're putting on your seatbelt whilst the vehicle is in motion?
Depends how they treated you IMO. If they pointed out in a friendly manner that putting on your seatbelt on while pulling out meant that you were distracted and not paying full attention in the way you should have been. Then it's fair enough. (the lack of attention being more important than being 5 seconds too slow with the seatbelt).
If they however were just making a big deal about the seatbelt, then they were being cocks on a power trip.
Tell them to do one.
Nothing to do with them if you were on a private carpark.
Yeah it seems a very trivial matter to pull you up on chunkymonkey, I agree with that.
I also think it's a very trivial matter to reassess your attitude towards the police with talk of "usually I defend the police", from the title I expected some sort of deeply unpleasant experience. I assumed that you didn't get nicked ?
SSS - I actually mentioned that I was in a private car-park, which must have hit the spot as they didn't take it any further and just 'advised' me not to do it again!!
Being honest, they were alright but my gripe is that they are spending time sitting around in a souped up BMW pulling folk for trivial things when surely they could be doing something more pro-active?
.....they are spending time sitting around in a souped up BMW pulling folk for trivial things when surely they could be doing something more pro-active?
Was there a crime being committed that they should have been dealing with ?
There is a well known local, who while looking down to fasten his seat belt, drifted onto the other side of the road and hit head on, with a rather large lorry, he now has a metal plate in the front of his skull, where part of his head parted with his body!
He no longer drive and from what he told me, it took him over a year to learn to walk again.
singlespeedstu - MemberPOSTED 6 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
What an idiot!
Blatant Troll.
So you think it is a good use of Tax Payers money to cop folk who put their seatbelts on ten seconds too late??
Its probably a better idea than the police ignoring folk breaking the law. However if they start wasting thousands on covert operations and undercover missions to catch folk doing this then I would object.
Its fairly trivial , we all agree, but you cannot moan at the police for stopping you when you broke the law , well you can but you will likely get flamed.
[/i]There is a well known local, who while looking down to fasten his seat belt, drifted onto the other side of the road and hit head on, with a rather large lorry, he now has a metal plate in the front of his skull, where part of his head parted with his body!
He no longer drive and from what he told me, it took him over a year to learn to walk again.[i]
I was in Morrisons Car-Park FFS
glupton1976 - MemberBlatant Troll.
We know.
But what do you think about the OP? 🙂
Did you pull straight of the space or was any reversing required at any point? Aiui then a seatbelt is not required until the whole manoeuvre is complete.
From the internet:
[i]Who is exempt from wearing seat belts?
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Any driver carrying out a manoeuvre that includes reversing. This means that if you are doing a 3 point turn, you do not have to wear a seat belt at any point during the course of the manoeuvre but you must wear it as soon as the manoeuvre is concluded.[/i]
Sorry rich what part of my post offends you?
Been in the bike industry all my life, from teaching to guiding, I’m very passionate about my riding and there’s not much I don’t know in the industry, I suppose I’m like the ray mears of the biking world!
Location Oxford
Do you expect people to take you seriously?
*Tries not to laugh.*
I was in Morrisons Car-Park FFS
And your point is?
Sorry but good, doesn't sound like they ticketed you, just stopped you and had a word, IIRC car parks are an accident hotspot, probably down to stuff like this, and lots going on. Fair play to them, and likely it will help you remember to take a little bit more time in the future. If you're complaining to us and not the police officer in your family it sounds like deep down you know that.
Nothing to do with them if you were on a private carpark.
I was in Morrisons Car-Park FFS
Ah so SS stu's assumption was wrong then. It's highly unlikely that Morrissons car park would be defined as "private" as the public have access over it so under the road traffic act it would fall into the category of a "road, or other public place"
And your point is?
I don't think there will be an artic on the other side of the road when I am doing 5 mph in a Super Market car-park.
All I was trying to do was point to the fact that I was pulled for a trivial matter when I am sure, or thought, they could have spent their time doing better things, thats all.
Was anyone being mugged, stabbed, raped, held up, racially oppressed, intimidated or suffering any other crime that you are aware in the car park at that time?
If so then I agree with you - more important things to be done, if not then rather than say "oh look there's some one committing a potentially dangerous but still minor traffic violation - this is a nice pasty isn't it." they did their job.
Next time it could be a child's face.
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It's highly unlikely that Morrissons car park would be defined as "private"
I think you might find it is.
So - you were maneuvering a vehicle whilst doing up your seatbelt in a public space where children are frequently present?
I can see where this is going...
I was pulled for a trivial matter when I am sure, or thought, they could have spent their time doing better things, thats all.
Doing what ? "Better things" is very vague.
What you're really saying is that you would rather they sat in their "souped up BMW" doing [i]nothing[/i].
They didn't nick you, so they "did nothing".
[quote=singlespeedstu ]It's highly unlikely that Morrissons car park would be defined as "private"
I think you might find it is.
https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/the-road-user-and-the-law
references to ‘road’ therefore generally include footpaths, bridleways and cycle tracks, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks).
Police logic is that if you are willing to commit a crime, regardless of how trivial it is, you could have committed a more serious one. Eg, if you forget to put your seatbelt on, it could be because you're pissed/stoned. Which is somewhat less trivial.
They do do nice doughnuts in Morrisons though...
Anyway, this is all distracting us from the more serious question....
Been in the bike industry all my life, from teaching to guiding, I’m very passionate about my riding and there’s not much I don’t know in the industry, I suppose I’m like the ray mears of the biking world!
They do do nice doughnuts in Morrisons though...
That's because BMWs are rear wheel drive 😉
Suck it up & deal with it. It's a trivial matter & hardly worth worked up about. Stop being so precious!
Thats because bmws are rear wheel drive
Burning rubber on tax payers money.
Tut tut. I'd never be tempted to do that. 😉
So it wasn't a place were the Law doesn't apply (like a private car park) so you were breaking the law.
They pointed this out to you, but didn't make a big deal of it.
You didn't like it because "they should be out nicking real criminals" as people always say when they get caught doing something wrong.
They were more than likely out doing something else, and happened to be walking past you and saw you breaking the law and decided to tell you about it.
Seems like they did exactly the right thing to me.
It's the thin end of the wedge though isn't it. Folk like the OP are more likely to be not taxed, not MOT'd and therefore, probably not insured. I'm glad they were in the car park and had a friendly feel of his collar. Bizzies are [i]supposed[/i] to be bizzyin' around stopping folk getting on with their day anyway. I wouldn't sweat it.
While earlier in Morrissons car park.. 😉
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a lot of over-reaction here, I would certainly be peeved if it was me.
what annoys me is when a plod car is at the traffic lights and a cyclist runs a red and they just sit there and do nowt.
oooh nice move there Good point I mean if there is one thing I hate it is cyclists
singlespeedstu - Member
It's highly unlikely that Morrissons car park would be defined as "private"
I think you might find it is.
FFS bregante gave you a huge clue -
- and in your determination to be a clever clogs you still failed 🙂It's highly unlikely that Morrissons car park would be defined as "private" as the public have access over it so [b]under the road traffic act[/b] it would fall into the category of a "road, or other public place"
FWIW, I agree with you and would have been applicably "cooperative" in the circumstances. Presumably they were short on crimes to solve. 🙂
Why didn't you put your belt on before you set off? You know, like during your driving test?
I thought Police cars were pretty standard?Being honest, they were alright but my gripe is that they are spending time sitting around in a souped up BMW pulling folk for trivial things
FWIW I often get people knocking on my car window when I'm on 'standby', usually with the words "quiet day then". I'm often tempted to say I'll test their obs and do a quick ecg so I can be seen to give value for money.
traffic offence link to more serious criminal behaviour:
[url= http://library.npia.police.uk/docs/hors/hors206.pdf ]why the police pull people for minor offences[/url]
sounds the law was upheld and carried out in the correct manner. It just reinforces my respect and love for those boys and girls in blue
FFS bregante gave you a huge clue -
And yet it seems that when it comes to wriggling out of a parking fine on a supermarket carpark it's suddenly considered as a private carpark...
It just reinforces my respect and love for those boys and girls in blue
Tazzy.
you seem to be confuslicating the real filth with folks that like dressing up in uniform for sexual adventures. 😉
And yet it seems that when it comes to wriggling out of a parking fine on a supermarket carpark it's sudenly considered as a private carpark...
That would have been an invoice issued by a private company.
They can't issue "fines"
Nothing to do with what the area is legally classified as, just to do with who has issued the ticket/invoice.
They can't issue "fines"
I'd take a fair bet that no one has ever recieved a "fine" for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket car park either. 🙂
SSStu- oh yeh, got mixed up with sexytime police lady strippers and those official proper ones whose fists and boots I viciously attacked with my face 😀
I'd take a fair bet that no one has ever recieved a "fine" for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket car park either.
Yet so far you've not done a very good job of showing that Traffic Laws don't apply in Public Car Parks have you ?
SSStu- oh yeh, got mixed up with sexytime police lady strippers and those official proper ones whose fists and boots I viciously attacked with my face
In fairness though you did pay me good money to dress up as a female rozzer and slap you round the face with my truncheon while telling you how naughty you'd been.
Yet so far you've not done a very good job of showing that Traffic Laws don't apply in Public Car Parks have you ?
And you've done a good job of showing they do? 😆
Rusty.
Cheers for that vid.
It took me right back to underage drinking in the local winebar. 😀
The DJ used to play that back to back with cockney translation. 🙄
And you've done a good job of showing they do?
Er, the answer to that would appear to be yes. Hardly his fault if you're ignoring the evidence he's provided.
I once got stopped by the police for not having a seatbelt on. I'd also just pulled away from a parking place, though was on a road rather than in a car park. Like the OP I got a warning rather than being ticketed. Unlike the OP I think it was a perfectly reasonable thing for the police to spend their time doing, and I'm quite happy they stopped me.
Hardly his fault if you're ignoring the evidence he's provided.
I see no evidence of anyone being prosecuted for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket carpark.
Maybe you could show it to me?
I once gave someone a ticket in a privately owned public car park for not wearing a seatbelt. If that helps 🙂
And for balance, I've never given anyone a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt. Ever.
Was it a raffle ticket 😉
If you are a rozzer and it stood up as legal i'll say that i'm wrong.
Suprised but wrong. 🙂
I see no evidence of anyone being prosecuted for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket carpark.Maybe you could show it to me?
You asked about whether traffic laws applied in supermarket car parks - here's the result of 1 minute of googling
http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?105865-Driving-summons
No idea, it was a seat belt day of action and I wasn't allowed back to the station until I'd given one out! I assume the bloke just paid it, was only £30.
You asked about whether traffic laws applied in supermarket car parks
No i asked you to provide evidence of anyone being done for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket car park.
I'd take a fair bet that no one has ever recieved a "fine" for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket car park either.
No idea, it was a seat belt day of action and I wasn't allowed back to the station until I'd given one out! I assume the bloke just paid it, was only £30.
That's a bit sad
Except I replied to this:
"Yet so far you've not done a very good job of showing that Traffic Laws don't apply in Public Car Parks have you ?"
And you've done a good job of showing they do?
your point appears to be that you can't be prosecuted for not wearing a seatbelt, when given that other traffic laws apply, clearly you can.
and if that's not good enough, another couple of minutes threw up this:
That's a bit sad
Welcome to the world of Home Office targets 🙂
No you've still not shown me any evidence of anyone being fined for not wearing a seatbelt in a super market carpark. 🙂
Welcome to the world of Home Office targets
I'm glad i don't have to do your job. 😐
I'm sure you must get some massive feelgood moments but stuff like that would piss me off no end.
Meanwhile you've not shown me any evidence of anybody being prosecuted for not doing their archery practice on a Sunday.
Straws/clutching. 😉
If you were to get your longbow out in a supermarket carpark i think it's fair to say you should recieve a ticket.
No matter what day of the week it was. 🙂
Yes, you are aren't you?
still no evidence then. 😆
Exactly what point are you trying to prove here? Do you really think that because nobody has been prosecuted for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket carpark (if that is the case) that proves it's not illegal (despite ample proof that other motoring laws apply)?
Anecdotal:
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?261363-No-seatbelt-in-Private-Retail-Park
nobody has been prosecuted for not wearing a seatbelt in a supermarket carpark
At last you've got it. 8)
Lifer.
The retail park you mention has road that are maintained by the council, and lead to factories etc.From what you say she was not on the private part, ie the car parks.
Big ride tomorrow so off to bed.xxx
And so Stu goes gently to bed,to dream of always being right,despite what the laws of the land say,and secure in the knowledge he is the biggest tosser on the site.Sleep well my sweet prince.
😆
Is there a special "defence" name for saying you have to leave a discussion you are losing for "Bike Ride related reasons" 🙂
Yes,onanism.