[Closed] USA! (United State of America) Special Forces Unconventional warfare Manual?

can I get in early and throw a towel over 'wunundred' ?

I'm off out now so I'll miss it

I've been having a look at what's happening in Syria

Aren't you supposed to be working on [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/at-the-current-rate-of-deterioration-in-the-global-weather-systems-patterns/page/9#post-4134985 ]a paper[/url] demonstrating a correlation between the climate, the temperature of the Earth's core and the relative position of the solar system within the Milky Way?

I was looking forward to that.

maccruiskeen, nein, das ist mein Handtuch schon da.

Kaesae you worry far too much about things find a new hobby to distract you.

Try one of these.

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I'm really interested in discussing this further with you.

Meet me in the Fedayeen & Firkin, 37 The High Street, Tehran at 7 tomorrow night. They've got Carlsberg on draught.

They've got Carlsberg on draught.

So ruddy cold there's a sort of dew on the outside of the glass?

Kaesae you worry far too much about things find a new hobby to distract you.

And yet many seem very happy to discuss these things with him .

The topics he chooses to discus invariably ramble on over many pages for days.

Sounds like a bit of a trek..

I think it is more likely the heated core causing the uprisings. Humans tend to riot more in hot weather and being nearer the equator the middle easterners will be feeling its subtle heating more than us in Northern Latitudes.

I think someone should write a paper describing how our position in the Milky Way has triggered these events.

Sounds like a bit of a trek..

It could also be a bit Specialized....

IGMC

ernie +1
Despite the somewhat personal responses of some of the early posts above, kaesae's threads get people interested.
It even appears that there may be a little inter-thread stalking going on. 😉
IMHO, he picks some intriguing chat topics; if people don't like them there plenty of other places to play.

those links seem far more plausible than the last thread [ not really that high a bar tbh]

The problem is that many of us* are philosophically willing to accept that the US will do many nefarious acts in order to secure its will in the middle east and wider world.
However, interesting and informed though it is, it lacks any smoking gun. Again this is good, for conspiracists, as we all know they would not be as daft as leave some proof. I will sit on the fence on this one till someone offers me some proof.

FWIW I cannot see why they would destabilise Egypt which was their toy pre "islamification". i can see why they would go after Syria- as a means to weaken Iran
Nothing america does on foreign soil surprises me tbh

* rabid lefties who distrust the imperialist scum dogs a matter of faith

find a new hobby to distract you

Or a job

As above, kaesae picks good thought provoking topics to discuss, his thoughts maybe a little off the wall, but hey I expect mine are to many and many are to him! Grahams's reply did give me a good LOL though.

Despite the somewhat personal responses of some of the early posts above, kaesae's threads get people interested

Well can't argue with that but still think worries too much.

It's the Very Special Forces you really need to be worrying about:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/clinton-deploys-very-special-forces-to-iraq,645/

GrahamS I don't have time to work on something like that, especially when everyone reading it would simply rearrange what I'm saying to fit their own perspective on things.

However look at that thread this way, I didn't have to spend any real time on it and a lot of people got involved and provided a lot of valuable info.

You could say that a new trend was started where we actually work together to accomplish something, although we still have some way to go before the vast majority of posters are mature enough to simply contribute without it becoming an ego contest, considering what I had to work with I do consider it a success.

As I have said I do have a lot on and can't really do too much research.

I can tell you that our ancestors from all over the world didn't spend a good percentage of their resources on astronomy because it was an out of control hobby.

Back to Syria, how many times has Syria thrown a spanner into the war mongering of the US / Israel?

Yet again we see the CIA on the ground providing, weapons, support, training and everything else their extremist operatives need.

http://counterpsyops.com/2012/08/28/ny-times-scrubs-mention-of-cia-arming-syrian-rebels/

As for not bothering about this kind of Tyranny and oppression, I have a soul, so this is important to me, for too long the poor people of the world have been forced into conflicts so that the interest of the rich can be pushed forwards.

If you want to see an end to war here's what to do, tell the rich and powerful to go fight their own ****ing wars.

How many policy makers or power junkies will actually be fighting?

Well can't argue with that

What would it take to enable a bunch or cruel, harsh, oppressive people, to see the world outside of a delusional daydream. If we are not to be judged on our attitudes and subsequent behaviour, what are we to be judged on? Oh that's right we are to judge our current situation and circumstances as well as our own value, by how little other people in the world have and how much worse our situation could be 😯

That doesn't make any sense unless of course you are from a backwards thinking society that judges everything on what it's not, rather than on what it is and the potential there!

The world must be the way it is because there is no other way, we know there is no other way because if there was we would have found it, by not looking for it.

All of us as individuals and as a race have a very long way to go until we can call ourselves civilized or even free, I hope that one day we realize that, I also hope people wake up to the fact that the world is the way that it is because we all of us, through action or inaction, make it this way!

What ever else is said, the current circumstances we find ourselves in and the events that lead to them, speak more about our race than anything else.

Argue all that you like, talk shit all that you like, pretend and play silly games like children all that you like, but do not ever assume that any sensible person will give any credibility or value to your words. Looking at the state of the planet, the state of our race and the states of not only our culture here in the UK but of our individual lives as well.

I can honestly say!

You ain't got shit, you don't know shit and you are not the shit! Guaranteed!

I think kaesae is actually the world's most sophisticated spambot.

And so spaketh Kaesae, the Enlightened One, for only He in His great wisdom could comprehend that which the mind-slaves could not.

Not sure what your point is here. Yes, we know people can be horrible. This is well known. Also, it is widely known that the US has a history of arming one side in a conflict when they think that side will help further their national interests and/or their political ideology.

Before WWII they were isolatoinists. That conflict got them involved in world politics (happily for us) and what kept them involved was an idea based on nothing called [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory ]the Domino Theory[/url]

Give it a rest.

By the way, where did you get those frames from? Don't think you ever did answer that.

When I see Lego animations, I sometimes wonder how much spare time those people have on their hands.
Must be nice to have time to worry about this stuff.

What would it take to enable a bunch or cruel, harsh, oppressive people, to see the world outside of a delusional daydream. If we are not to be judged on our attitudes and subsequent behaviour, what are we to be judged on? Oh that's right we are to judge our current situation and circumstances as well as our own value, by how little other people in the world have and how much worse our situation could be

That doesn't make any sense unless of course you are from a backwards thinking society that judges everything on what it's not, rather than on what it is and the potential there!

The world must be the way it is because there is no other way, we know there is no other way because if there was we would have found it, by not looking for it.

All of us as individuals and as a race have a very long way to go until we can call ourselves civilized or even free, I hope that one day we realize that, I also hope people wake up to the fact that the world is the way that it is because we all of us, through action or inaction, make it this way!

What ever else is said, the current circumstances we find ourselves in and the events that lead to them, speak more about our race than anything else.

Argue all that you like, talk shit all that you like, pretend and play silly games like children all that you like, but do not ever assume that any sensible person will give any credibility or value to your words. Looking at the state of the planet, the state of our race and the states of not only our culture here in the UK but of our individual lives as well.

I can honestly say!

You ain't got shit, you don't know shit and you are not the shit! Guaranteed!

I think you're absolutely right in your own personal feelings but if you hope to be taken seriously (which I believe all those who make an effort to comprehend their surroundings should be) you need to develop some cohearency.

That doesn't make any sense

All of us as individuals

do not ever assume that any sensible person will give any credibility or value to your words

No. Please don't develop coherency. That's the true fun in these threads. Without it, they'd just be another nest of foil hat lunacy. This is a whole NEW height in foil hattedness and we need to keep that going.

I think kaesae is actually the world's most sophisticated spambot.

Hahahahahahahahaha

This thread reads like a drunken conversation in the first year of university

Also does this Evil, Evil, Evil [b]frump[/b] of a woman honestly believe that any sensible person will believe this shit.

I'm all for a bit of a debate.....what's the question?

I really do wish i understood kaesaes theads i end up thinking i'm in an alternate reality which from what i gather from his posts is probably true. I'm not even convinced that i want to leave it either, however i did watch "doomsday preppers" last night and it did give me some insight...

Also does this Evil, Evil, Evil frump of a woman honestly believe that any sensible person will believe this shit.

I was wondering about this too. What did she say that was unbelievable? That the US was asking China and Russia to stop sending arms to Syria? That they supported the rebels? Surely that's everything you've been saying.

Okay I now agree with IHN

Surely that's everything you've been saying.

Rule #16 of a kaesae thread: the videos that He posts to support His argument may flatly contradict it. In this too He is also wise. 😀

Aren't you supposed to be working on a paper demonstrating a correlation between the climate, the temperature of the Earth's core and the relative position of the solar system within the Milky Way?

I was looking forward to that.

It's all linked with a rainbow coloured thread of Ickeyness

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Surely Icke, in writing that book, has ended the global conspiracy? Or is he perhaps a mentalist who writes books for other mentalists to keep him in tinfoil?

I'm so glad that you managed to throw in the word "frump" into that. If the ratio of evil:frump is 3:1, then that means she is only three times as evil as she is badly dressed. And as she is not terribly dressed as compared to e.g. Elton John, then that means that she is not as evil as Elton John. And Elton John has donated millions of dollars to AIDS research, which means he is good, and as she is less evil than him, she is more good than him. And if it's not her that's evil, then the ones she is fighting against must be evil. And when you're either with us or against us, you're not with her, so you must be against her. And that proves you're evil.

It's all linked with a rainbow coloured thread of Ickeyness

We are arming extremists and then encouraging them to move into heavily populated areas and start wide spread slaughter, to gain support with the media.

The governments don't even have to hide the fact,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/30/al-qaida-rebels-battle-syria

Ignore all the bullshit and what you have is exactly what has been said from Syria all along, CIA and SAS/MI6 trained extremist armies funded by the west being used to bring terror and destruction to this region yet again.

Why the **** would extremist from all over the region / world gather in turkey for training and then move into Syria?

http://friendsofsyria.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/british-terrorists-going-to-syria-to-fight-with-al-qaeda/

Who exactly is behind this move? those who are most vocal with their lies and media rabble rousing. The US and the UK, they also have the most to gain, we are giving the rest of the world no option but to go to war and the west is becoming more and more isolated!

These extremist are targeting civilians indiscriminately

http://counterpsyops.com/2012/09/03/terrorist-attacks-intensify-after-western-war-threats-against-syria/

who exactly is behind this move?

I think it's these guys

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Not bullshit from a media that is founded on lies and manipulation but the simple facts from someone on the ground

Unconventional warfare = mass murder funded and coordinated by the US and UK, you want to remove a dictator and replace that regime with a bunch of extremists who will kill every man woman and child they feel like killing?

They FSA are executing children in the streets after they make those children watch their parents and families be massacred, they are executing prisoners and then our media is blaming the government for these atrocities.

Bombing are widespread and have killed countless children, some of the tactics are truly horrendous

Make no mistake who is responsible for this and who is funding and organizing it, the UK and US!

So, I know you're busy researching the impact hamsters have on global warming and celestial movement but do you have any proof or anything or usual trolling?

I like that mans hat in the "Free" "Syrian" "Army" video. Where can a man get one?

They FSA are executing children in the streets after they make those children watch their parents and families be massacred, they are executing prisoners and then our media is blaming the government for these atrocities.

You know this for a fact?

Err a man says it in a video on the internet. What moor 'proof' do you need?

I'm as sceptical as the next man about the corrupt and evil bastards that wield the power on this godforsaken planet.. but what I truly don't get is why people like Kaesae have any more faith in the conspiracy theorist's propaganda than they have in the official party line trotted out by the world's media..

am I missing something..?

EDIT: succinctly beaten to it

am I missing something..?

too much spare time, over active imagination, paranoia.......

simple facts from someone on the ground

Always good to question the official line, but I don't find any of that particularly credible.

Do a bit more googling and you'll find plenty of reports from "someone on the ground" reporting exactly the opposite, supporting the UK press coverage that the government troops are killing civilians.

It's a propaganda war and no mistake - but balancing up officially sanctioned state-media reports from a dictatorship versus reports from Reuters and Assoc Free Press and NGOs, plus what is available from people on the ground, I have to say I think the "rebels" are probably the "good guys" here and President Asshat is the "bad guy".

I have to say I think the "rebels" are probably the "good guys" here and President Asshat is the "bad guy".

This is not a comment on which side you have labelled which way, but chosing to differentiate them with the use of the terms [i]Good guys[/i] and [i]Bad guys[/i] suggests the propaganda is working.

Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state.

chosing to differentiate them with the use of the terms Good guys and Bad guys suggests the propaganda is working.

That was my intent. 😀

The truth is always less black and white.

One side is an oppressive dictatorship that is happy to openly murder its own people to maintain control; the other side is a de-stabilising element that fights to overthrow that regime, but could well allow a new Jihadist faction to take control and cause greater conflict in the area.

Edit: Graham posted so my account was redundant

Do scare quotes mean anything to you?

chosing to differentiate them with the use of the terms Good guys and Bad guys suggests the propaganda is working.

And if you don't believe me I'll put jihad on you

And if you don't believe me I'll put jihad on you

Dirka Dirka!

Dirka Dirka!

Racist 😀

And would the "rebels" you talk of be "insurgents" across the border, and "terrorists" across the next border?

And would the "rebels" you talk of be "insurgents" across the border, and "terrorists" across the next border?

Of course. One man's "freedom fighter" and all that.
Hence my use of quotes. 🙂

(Surprisingly I've read Chomsky too).

F*@~ yeah.

Hora to the forum please, JY now needs absolute proof, chink in previously impenetrable LA armour found!! 😀

However, interesting and informed though it is, it lacks any smoking gun. Again this is good, for conspiracists, as we all know they would not be as daft as leave some proof. I will sit on the fence on this one till someone offers me some proof.

You seem to think that I am trying to convince you, I am simply pointing out that it might not be a bad idea to research this further.

2 mins 22 second in!

The issue here is not Assad, the issue is the fact that these fighter are not from Syria. They are foreign fighters who are under the employ and direction of the US and UK governments.

The TV says they are the good guys so that's all there is to it 😯 regardless of their behaviour or attitude towards human life and freedom. Removing the government in Syria and replacing it with an extremist ragime will only cause instability and conflict, which in turn will only lead to more deaths for the people of Syria.

I do not agree with Assad's style of government or the harsh treatment that those who oppose the regime face, however it is far less brutal than what the militant extremists will do.

How long have Al Qaeda or other terrorists organizations been used as an excuse to invade countries and change legislation to remove our individual freedoms? now it is convenient to say that Al Qaeda are the good guys, so they become the good guys. The problem with self delusion or mass delusion is that it allows people to believe anything and justify anything.

Here is what we know for a fact, the US want the government in Syria gone! and now fighters armed with US military weapons and equipment are receiving training in Turkey and moving into Syria.

How do you explain this?

the fallacious 'war on terror' continues, although the Western Alliance has realised that getting someone else to do the dirty work is a lot neater and keeps the voters a bit quieter

How long have Al Qaeda or other terrorists organizations been used as an excuse to invade countries and change legislation to remove our individual freedoms?

I'm not aware of my individual freedom having ever been removed under this excuse.

Looking at You tube videos is not research. However, if you want to go to Syria or any other very dangerous place to look at this in more detail, I will happily chip in towards your ticket....

Here is what we know for a fact, the US want the government in Syria gone!

Do you support the Syrian govt then?

Looking at You tube videos is not research.

I think it the most effective way of researching.

Admittedly by this I mean researching the epic fails of 2012 and other years should you feel the desire.

Based on my limited understanding of this conflict (I am sure there are many more knowledgeable than me on here) I think Syria is far more complicated than (m)any of here on here understand. Many of the conflicts are religious and/or tribal. If Assad is overthrown that won't be the end of it, the country will probably descend into further chaos. Many of the tribes will turn on each other in a power battle. For sure some of the factions fighting are either directly involved with and/or support Al-Quaeda whilst others vehemently oppose them and their beliefs. The west I am sure is arming the insurgents to help them in their battle - why and what harsh reality will result from this I don't think anyone really knows. But we can be confident it isn't going to be nice. It's sad how human nature is generally so destructive to the world around it, as it is now and has been for millenia.

The way I see it is that the Syrian government let thousands of nutters into Iraq after the last gulf and were behind the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983 (acting as an Iranian proxy) so the US are now repaying the favour, you reap what you sow.

Sorry, had a few beers so not really going to add any more to this apart from I this, I would trust anything by Lizzie Phelan about as much as anything from Fox news, Jesus, to think we built the 7 wonders of the world, travelled into space and have produced beautiful works of art only to have all that consigned to the history books by our own stupidity!

I reckon it's the muppets next evil ploy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/muppets-diss-fox-news-in-response-anti-oil_n_1241199.html

Hora to the forum please, JY now needs absolute proof, chink in previously impenetrable LA armour found!!

The problem with self delusion or mass delusion is that it allows people to believe anything and justify anything

Have you got a mirror nearby?

Don't look in a mirror that is how they control you.

They FSA are executing children in the streets after they make those children watch their parents and families be massacred, they are executing prisoners and then our media is blaming the government for these atrocities.

Whoa, the Financial Services Authority have really started playing hard ball.

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This thread gets awesomer and awesomer....

Can I also be the first to thank you for explaining what USA stands for in your thread title. I have been confused about this for a long time. You knowledge in this area gives you instant credibility.

Thanks

[quote=kaesae]You seem to think that I am trying to convince you, I am simply pointing out that it might not be a bad idea to research this further.

Here's an idea. Like ALL your sodding threads, why don't YOU do the research and come back with a coherent answer? It's a daring concept I know, but when I was a student, this researching and backing up your theories thing was all the rage and I understand that even in 2012 it has a certain degree of popularity amongst academics and rational thinkers.

Don't look in a mirror that is how they control you.

Goes back to scheming in his lair.

It could be worse. [url= http://www.mi5.com/ ]You could be being persecuted by MI5 using broadcast and print media (including Chris Tarrant on Who wants to be a millionaire)[/url].

I'd totally forgotten this bloke until alex and Junkyard posted that. He used to hang out on Usenet (uk.local.london or something if I remember correctly) so I got to see this develop in "real time".

I actually used to work at a firm that was described as either providing or protecting against electromagnetic harassment on some website, and as a result had to deal with "walk-ins" who were the subject of paranoid delusions about being followed, disrupted, surveilled, eavesdropped upon etc. It was actually very sad.

2 mins 22 second in!

Wow. Just read some of that bloke's stuff, I'd forgotten just how mental he was. A county court summons to the BBC because Martyn Lewis and Muchael Buerk spied on him through the TV while he was at his parents house.

is it safe to come out yet?

I almost claimed his soul for myself till you spoiled it

Sorry. I just didn't think; how could I have been so insensitive to your needs?