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Btl in sw London for new investment is c 3.5%, that's 300k for a 1 bedder rented at 1000 pcm. I have had mine 10 years plus so the buy in prices much lower.

I am looking at northern areas, 2/3 bed house at c 200k, rent c 700 pcm, no service charges so c 4%. Its a future holiday home for me but following the local forums there is a good demand for rental. I 'm happy to wait for the right house but have a few options I have looked at,

Most of my pension pot investments are ticking by at 5%, btl, shares, db pensions, you still need 500k to achieve 25k. Tbh I don't really measure it any more as btl are lumpy assets, you can't really sell one if it has a bad year as the reentry costs are huge.


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 2:05 pm
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to 1% for my managed Legg Mason Japanese Equities fund ( volatile but staggering returns – 220% over 5 years and 45% above pre Covid levels!)

Might have to look at that one, I've got a load in Japanese funds, not doing that well.

My best investment is SMT, up something like 300% in 5 years.


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 2:28 pm
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So you're talking about ROI per annum then yeah?

We'd be looking at something around 100k...25k deposit then an interest only mortgage....we'd easily get £500 per month rental....overpay the mortgage and save the surplus. We're hoping to have that all in place by them time that I'm 40, by the time I'm 55 (in 21 years time) I'd hope that between that and the SIPP that we're planning, there'd be a reasonable amount to give us some options.

We already 'own' the pensioner must have that is a motorhome too


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 2:32 pm
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Yes 500 pcm on a 100k house is doable, those terraces in Lancaster near the hospital do that, if you can self manage you have no real costs. Yields soften the better quality you go.

Stay diversified though, you never know whats going to happen.


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 3:24 pm
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Yeah that's the plan. I grew up in Stoke-on-Trent, so know the area well. Plentiful cheap property and the rental market is fairly strong. TBF 100k would get you something that probably yield £550 pcm in Stoke. I'll probably target something that I can add value to...I can do some of the work myself and am local enough still to know reliable local tradesfolk. Would probably self manage too.


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 4:53 pm
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Jesus, took £200k of defined contribution to get my fund to that.

Yep, I've those too...


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 4:57 pm
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Something pension related I am finding out about the hard way this year is the annual allowance. Worth checking the calculator if you've been maxing out your contributions for a few years: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-you-have-unused-annual-allowances-on-your-pension-savings


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 5:09 pm
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Something pension related I am finding out about the hard way this year is the annual allowance.

Pretty much the opposite problem to most! “Oh no - I’ve put too much in my pension without really noticing. What shall I do?!?”


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 5:21 pm
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What shall I do?!?”
Fill in a self-assessment tax return and pay some back :-/

In my defence the rules are a bit opaque for defined benefit schemes unless you really look.

In a DB scheme, what counts towards your annual allowance is not the amount you pay in, but the increase in the annual value of your pension, [b]multiplied by 16[/b]. So if - for example - you get a decent promotion, you can exceed the allowance for a year without paying in any extra. Combine that with inflationary increases on a decent size pot and some additional contributions and it turns out you can exceed your allowance for several years without earning much more than the annual allowance value itself...


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 5:25 pm
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Bookmarked for when I have time to read through properly!


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 8:28 pm
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If you have a defined benefit pension then there are virtually *no* circumstances where you would be better off taking the cash value instead.

Absolutely not true.
There are plenty good reasons to transfer out of a DB.

Ask me how I know lol. Best move I've made so far.


 
Posted : 17/11/2020 9:25 pm
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It’s not been said so far and this is important.

If you have a defined benefit pension then there are virtually *no* circumstances where you would be better off taking the cash value instead.

Not true at all. You certainly need to be very wary and do a lot of research, but we've certainly no regrets. And given that significant numbers of pretty senior (and knowledgeable) people who work in the pensions industry have done it, well......

However I would say that for probably a large majority it's not the right thing to do. You need to be very sure your money is then properly invested and have an advisor you have absolute trust in.


 
Posted : 18/11/2020 9:52 pm
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I don't use an advisor, some companies are well set up to do without them and their fees for doing nothing.


 
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