[Closed] Ukraine - Does anyone care?

Just a bit of easy info for those unaware.

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It's bad, yes - how would it be evident to you from activity on here whether folk care?

Hopefully they will get with the EU and stick 2 fingers up to Putin.

My colleague is. He has family there.

i have ukraine national friends in the ukraine-

luckily they have moved out of kiev as they saw this coming.

now living in poltava- doesnt mean they are immune to the effects but it does mean currently they are a bit safer.

tbh when i was there - i did wonder why this hadnt happened sooner tbh.

Are not most of the "offences" in that poster also offences in the UK and most western nations?

Yep, been following it. Seems like a pretty straight up fight between the forces of good'n'evil to me

cynic-al - Member

It's bad, yes - how would it be evident to you from activity on here whether folk care?

Huh? I'm not suggesting it would be evident. I'm asking if people care.

Yep, been following it. Seems like a pretty straight up fight between the forces of good'n'evil to me

Did someone mention forces of evil?

Where are George 'Dubya' Bush and Tony 'kill all the towel heads' Blair when you need them?

[i]If not, why not?[/i]

Er, I just don't.

Seems like a pretty straight up fight between the forces of good'n'evil to me

Eh? Please tell me that's a joke?

Following it as my Sister in law is Ukrainian. It's a very split country.

They seem to be on the same course as the UK. Theresa will love some of these rules.

I understand that a "group" of more than 2 people congregating is illegal there now.

I find it bizarre that anyone would agitate so strongly for closer ties to the EU.

I spotted this [url= http://zyalt.livejournal.com/984735.html ]link[/url] - well worth a look at what's going on from a different perspective

Yes, I care for a number of reasons

People v Authoratarion state and not that far away, seems worth caring about.

Tymeshenko is a crook, current leader is a crook the people aren't stupid. The Western side of the country want to go with the E.U. the Eastern side want to go back to communist Russia. All a big mess.

Explained to us yesterday by a Ukranian

I care. I met a lovely young lady from Kiev on my travels and it was interesting to hear about these things from someone who lives there, still get the occasional update, she has been in the protests in Independence Square.

ohnohesback - Member

I find it bizarre that anyone would agitate so strongly for closer ties to the EU.

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Seems odd to us, as one of the richer nations of the EU and a country with trading partners outside of the EU we appear to get all of the costs of membership with very few of the benefits, leaving would make sense for us.
However, for a poorer nation such as Ukraine, especially one who has very big powerful neighbour who isn't afraid to wield influence, joining makes a lot of sense.
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I am surprised just how little media coverage it is getting over here, I can easily see this developing into a proxy battle between the EU and Russia. Russia has lost a lot of influence over former eastern block countries, especially those already in the EU, but now it is getting stronger and more authoritarian it is keen to halt this. I'm not saying they will do in Ukraine what they did in Georgia but you never know.
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Trouble is, as someone said above, the people there have the choice between one bunch of crooks and another bunch of crooks.

ohnohesback - Member
I find it bizarre that anyone would agitate so strongly for closer ties to the EU.

because despite the nonsense spouted by farage and his ilk the EU has been very good for the UK- still our largest trading partner by a long way and makes a much greater effort to protect consumer and working rights than our own government.
Putins russsia on the other hand is pretty much the opposite of that!

From what I've been reading a lot of the protestors are members of far right groups. This is one fo the people who died;

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he belonged to a group who've been fightign Russian forces in Chechenya and other ex soviet states;

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I think to put it purely as a pro-EU/pro-Russia issue is over simplifying the situation.

seems a lot of murkiness going down --genuine protests hi-jacked by the far right who have lots to gain--the left must be involved, but don't expect any 'media' darlings to mention it...

the EU has been very good for the UK- still our largest trading partner by a long way and makes a much greater effort to protect consumer and working rights than our own government.

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Eh? Please tell me that's a joke?

It was a little tongue in cheek, yes. On the other hand, the more I read about Viktor Yanukovych the less I like him.

[url= http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/andy-hunder-londons-rich-ukrainians-can-influence-events-at-home-9087603.html ]It is a rare political protest abroad that we can positively influence from home in the UK.[/url]

Bit of a climb down by the government reported this morning

Sorry for resurrecting this, but I found [url= http://www.businessinsider.com/understanding-euromaidan-2014-1 ]this article[/url] by a Ukrainian journalist that sums everything up beautifully.

Watch the second to last video embedded in the article as well.