None of this plays well for Putin’s domestic approval, what with the losses of soldiers and equipment so far and rising inflation & shortages of goods.
Except many Russians believe that this is not Putin's doing - the internal Russian line of course is that they were defending themselves from an aggressive Ukraine and Nato.
IMO, there is a lot more to go before many Russians understand that the line they are being fed is not the truth.
Not sure what defences you think are going to protect a ship and it’s munitions against supersonic missile attack? Pretty much every single military vessel afloat right now is vulnerable to these weapons once they get past a ships defences. Ship defence these days is essentially seeing them far enough away from the ship to destroy it itself, or directing something else to destroy it or jam it’s radar/guidance system so that it misses. If the missile evades all three, it’s going to mostly destroy every ship it hits.
Do you mean hypersonic, supersonic is basically most missiles, and the ships anti-missile defences will more than likely be good up to several mach figures and a max range, basically providing a big protection bubble.
There's so many stories about this just now though, will wait and see what happened, but if it's been sunk it'll not be a good story for Russia, and in all honesty, although it'll be a good win story for Ukraine, i'd expect Putin with his mindset to do something worse in retaliation, there's just no winners in this one as it's in no way a conventional war, even when they win, the Ukraine lose.
i’d expect Putin with his mindset to do something worse in retaliation.
Retaliate for what? They have claimed this was due to an accidental fire causing ammunition to explode, not enemy action. By denying the Ukrainians did it, they've robbed themselves of any twisted excuse to 'retaliate'. They can't even lie effectively.
Link to a video of the attack. Russia says all the crew were rescued. Hard to believe from the size of the explosion.
https://twitter.com/Mirek73/status/1514594279028576259
check your sources, I believe that’s an old video of another event
Good advice. Should have checked it before posting.
Must be, its not stormy in that vid
wouldn't it have been dark when the ship was hit if it happened about 18hrs ago ?
Apparently the Russian Washington DC embassy
Do you mean hypersonic, supersonic is basically most missiles, and the ships anti-missile defences will more than likely be good up to several mach figures and a max range, basically providing a big protection bubble.
No I meant supersonic. Like I said most ships have a range of defences against these missiles, but if they don't work (like in this case) One missile is enough to destroy a ship.
Interesting list
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1514494389682327561
Pentagon saying Moskva on its way back to sevastpool and hasnt sunk?
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/embedded-video/mmvo137706565695
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/14/pentagon-explosion-russian-warship-00025243
That MSNBC link 404s.
If the Moskva has indeed avoided sinking then the US would know, they must have spy satellites over Ukraine right now.
they must have
spy satellites over Ukrainesubs watching it right now.
FTFY
As I posted earlier - the answer isn’t thicker armour, it is compartmentalising. Stop 1 hit sinking the ship. The warheads on these things aren’t huge.
If you watch the video posted above of the USS being sunk for training, all of the ship missiles aim for the same bit of the ship - near the bow. I imagine that means that Russian ships have a vulnerability there. Maybe the magazine?
We have a NATO Rivet Joint(is it global Hawk now?) over the Black Sea.
If you watch the video posted above of the USS being sunk for training, all of the ship missiles aim for the same bit of the ship – near the bow. I imagine that means that Russian ships have a vulnerability there. Maybe the magazine?
I read elsewhere (from a guy that's a WO on US stuff) that if the neptune is a radar seeking missile it'll strike the area of strongest return - which is the fwd house.
dantsw13
Free MemberWe have a NATO Rivet Joint(is it global Hawk now?) over the Black Sea
Looks like he’s over land to me, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were having a good listen in
martinhutch
Full Memberthey must have
spy satellites over Ukrainesubs watching it right now.
Ballsy moving taking an SSN through the Bosphorus
That's going to leave a mark.
Interesting list
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1514494389682327561?s=20&t=SMqTrg4RRCS6KLUMoAoS9w
We have a NATO Rivet Joint(is it global Hawk now?) over the Black Sea.
There is a Global Hawk - callsign FORTE10
They're two different AC are they not?
One crewed, the other an RPAS.
We have a NATO Rivet Joint(is it global Hawk now?) over the Black Sea.
Yes. The Rivet Joint is over Lithuania and Poland.
As with much Russian kit, the gap between what they claim it does, what it really does and whether it works on the day can be vast.
In a previous life when I was a photographer in the early 90's we were going to be doing high speed filming the launch of early starstreak missiles. In particular they wanted to see the spin as the missile left the launcher. To get an idea of what markings would work best we built ourselves a carboard tube missile and a launcher operated by one of us jumping onto one end of what was effectively a seesaw. It worked well, in fact our cardboard missile flew further that the actual starstreak when they tried to launch them. I believe they went away and worked on it 🙂
The thing about the propaghanda/counterpropaganda is that there's a lot of asymetry- it's kind of hard to provide a picture of a sunk ship, and it's pretty difficult for the ukrainians to get any imagery of a ship at any sort of distance. But it's incredibly easy for the Russians to get images and video of a ship if it's in good condition, and release that to counter the ukrainian messaging. So the absence of russian footage strongly suggests that it's either sunk, or is in a condition that they don't want to admit to- they could get out pictures of a contained fire, or an extinguished fire and the ship on tow, etc.
Quite surprised they didn't spam everyone with old videos of Moskva tbh. Strange to think that only 10 years ago Ukraine and Russia were having serious talks about cooperatively completing the Ukrayina.
Don't you remember the Kursk sub disaster?
Here's a refresher on how Putin let his men die in the sub rather than accept help and this was in "peacetime" and then blamed the west
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster
We'd really need a photo of the boat with the captain holding a copy of today's newspaper.
‘Proof of ship’! 😂
We’d really need a photo of the boat with the captain holding a copy of
today’s newspaperSTW 142.
FITY
and a Russian Military plane just south of Moscow too. First time I have seen anything shown in Russia
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=152ba9
Yeah, I remember the Kursk disaster very well. IIRC the Royal Navy offered to send submersibles to attempt to rescue survivors, but the Russian admiralty (and Putin of course) were steeped in cold-war paranoia and dithered until it was far too late.
This just in...
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☝️ excellent. 🤣
We have a NATO Rivet Joint(is it global Hawk now?) over the Black Sea.
I didn't know the RAF had a Rivet Joint but it appears they do and today its been hoovering up comms over the borders between Lithuania and Belarus and Poland and Belarus.
Normally the USAF have a Rivet Joint and J-Stars flying holding patterns near the Poland Ukraine border every day.
We’d really need a photo of the boat with the captain holding a copy of today’s newspaper.
The pentagon is saying the ship is afloat and moving across the Black Sea to port. They are unable to say if it is under its own power or being towed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-moskva-ship-ukraine-black-sea
I'm wondering if any thought has been given to the vulnerability of the bridge linking mainland Russia to Crimea. I reckon I would have that as a prime target.
This just in…
Oof.
Don’t you remember the Kursk sub disaster?
The story is on netflix. I watched it a couple of weeks ago, but didnt watch the last 30mins due to the nature of the submariners fate.
Titled Kursk,The Last Mission.
It's up it's down it's ..
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1514694898221518856?t=1WYmd-HprSe87-j4wM-sXQ&s=19
It hasn't sunk, it's been converted into an underwater obstruction. The special operation is still on track. 👌
Yes looks like it’s definitely gone this time!
And with that, Ukraine is now in possession of more Slava class guided missile cruisers in the Black Sea (1) than Russia (0).
Theirs is gently rusting away in port, but that's better than rapidly rusting away on the sea bed.
Just been asked a good question - how many ships have been sunk by missiles fired from land? I’m thinking the answer might now stand at 1?
