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Starmer is apparently to attack Farage's economics as a dangerous fantasy that will make most people in the UK much poorer.
Of course, it would be a heck of a lot more punchy if he said that losing billions of pounds from the UK economy is a bit of a habit for Farage, but he's not allowed to say that - unfortunately. 🙄
And I see that the Guardian editorial writers have gone all Taliban-esque with their joyless lefty ideological purity
Where's binners with his Holy Grail or Citizen Smith picture?
Starmer is apparently to attack Farage's economics as a dangerous fantasy that will make most people in the UK much poorer.
Won't work - people already feel like that.
They've voted change not continuing wonky Conservatism built on fraudulent market delivery.
Starmer will do anything apart from the one thing that counts - fix anything.
Where's binners with his Holy Grail or Citizen Smith picture?
Can't work out what folk like this want out of society - you're either against the stuff that conservatism had failed to deliver or you're for changing stuff and delivering much better outcomes without using failed Tory driven politics and economics.
I mean if the Tories are so despicable and broken don't support Starmer when he builds on their ideas.
Red team good blue team bad.
Where's binners with his Holy Grail or Citizen Smith picture?
Can't work out what folk like this want out of society - you're either against the stuff that conservatism had failed to deliver or you're for changing stuff and delivering much better outcomes without using failed Tory driven politics and economics.
I mean if the Tories are so despicable and broken don't support Starmer when he builds on their ideas.
Red team good blue team bad.
Can't work out what folk like this want out of society
And then you answer your own question :
Red team good blue team bad.
I am afraid that for some people it's just that and nothing more.
Can't work out what folk like this want out of society
And then you answer your own question :
Red team good blue team bad.
I am afraid that for some people it's just that and nothing more.
Where's binners with his Holy Grail or Citizen Smith picture?
Can't work out what folk like this want out of society
Attacking someone when they do post is one thing, but goading someone who is not engaging anymore to rejoin the scrap? Feels a bit trolly?
Starmer will do anything apart from the one thing that counts - fix anything.
Usually I've had the good fortune to be insulated from whatever stupidity is doing the rounds in government, but now I have a situation that is very close to home - MissJ cannot get a job due to a hiring freeze resulting from NHS budget cuts. Will Reform fix the NHS? I hardly think so. But since Labour aren't doing so either, and their plan does not involve employing people inn MissJ's situation, maybe I should vote Reform just on the off chance that, whatever other disastrous car crashes it provokes, they might, for bad motives, do the right thing, i.e. provide money to hospitals to hire staff. Is that a likely scenario? Clearly not. But it might motivate someone to vote for them just in case. Multiply my experience by several million people who feel let down by the current lot, and pretty soon you have majority.
Attacking someone when they do post is one thing, but goading someone who is not engaging anymore to rejoin the scrap? Feels a bit trolly?
Very much so
Feels a bit trolly?
Maybe, but I'm not sure it's worse than attacking un-named people in some fake-deniable way talking about "the six"?
Attacking someone when they do post is one thing, but goading someone who is not engaging anymore to rejoin the scrap? Feels a bit trolly?
Probably is a bit trolly but then someone who was so committed to the grown ups being who we needed and dismissing anyone progressive as 6th formers must be now feeling a bit stupid which explains any lack of conviction in backing up the government they wished for I suppose.
So it's an eye for an eye rather than two wrongs don't make a right?
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Rone, I used to think you knew what you were talking about but then you said 'taliban-esque'.
Attacking someone when they do post is one thing, but goading someone who is not engaging anymore to rejoin the scrap? Feels a bit trolly?
Not really - which is why I kept it broad. I don't care if it's interpreted as 'trolly' what do you think the Taliban-esque comment was?
I don't care for scrap just the logic that is dished out. The issue is here is people trying to decide what they believe is an attack or Trolly. And then applying their conclusion.
So it's an eye for an eye rather than two wrongs don't make a right?
Again not really - it just so happens that 'the six' are used to taking a clubbing - occasionally we play the logic that is being played.
Rone, I used to think you knew what you were talking about but then you said 'taliban-esque'.
I'm referencing someone else's comment there from another thread, and simply using those words back.
Rone, I used to think you knew what you were talking about but then you said 'taliban-esque'.
I'm referencing someone else's comment there from another thread.
Very much so
There's no attack just questioning the supporting of Starmer when a personal attack is made against the people in this thread for being 'lefties'.
I don't understand the position of hating on the lefties and then getting behind Starmer. Don't understand it.
I've shrugged off many a insult/comment from people on this forum - so what? Care less.
The greater point I was trying to make is that this discussion is far from 'Taliban-esque' and it's maybe Starmer's politics that are at fault and we're just a reflection of that. We're not leading the joy-less politics from Starmer and Reeves.
I'm referencing someone else's comment there from another thread.
In rone's defence - indeed he is.
I must admit my attention is quite silo'd when it comes to spats crossing over threads.
I suppose if some folk are pursuing each other around the political threads and having a dust-up in one then another, it will make sense to them.
To a non-participant, not so much.
As you were.
Yeah bottom line is - and I can take the joke if it's a joke - it's a bit mis-leading to be calling a small bunch of people that want to things to be a shit-sight better than they are as 'joy-less' and 'Taliban-esque.'
It needs a bit of counter-point because it doesn't make sense as an observation. And if it's just-a-joke, like on Top-Gear, someone let me in on the joke.
I'm defo not interested in punch-ups across threads - but comments do occasionally needed to be pointed back at the commentator.
It’s not even worth posting on any of those threads any more, due to the utterly Joyless, humourless, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier-than-though, virtue-signalling ****s all competing in their Taliban-esque way, for some inexplicable reason, to signal how idealogically pure they are .
Definitely not engaged! Methinks he doth protest too much. 😂
Defo accurate at being called ****s! No arguments there.
'Idealogically', what means this?
But it might motivate someone to vote for them just in case. Multiply my experience by several million people who feel let down by the current lot, and pretty soon you have majority.
Or just as importantly not motivate someone to vote against and hence stay home.
Especially since Starmer seems determined to unite the right wing under Farage by announcing he is the opposition vs ignoring him which would a)wind him up no end and b)hopefully keep tories in play. Unfortunately though since he is led by the right wing press, sorry, focus groups he seems to be focussing with laser forensic precision on how best to help Farage out.
It is odd how Starmer focussing on copying Farages right wing policies whilst ignoring Farage grabbing of left wing policies.
'Idealogically', what means this?
Still casting for a bite?
If you want to get a bite out of binners in this manner you could also point out that he writes "Tory's" when it should be "Tories".
But baiting someone with spelling and grammar pedantry is a bit demeaning for both parties, really.
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If you want to get a bite out of binners in this manner you could also point out that he writes "Tory's" when it should be "Tories".
Well that's a bit unfair.....you cannot expect anyone in full ranting mode to worry about their grammar and spelling.
'Idealogically', what means this?
Still casting for a bite?
If you want to get a bite out of binners in this manner you could also point out that he writes "Tory's" when it should be "Tories".
But baiting someone with spelling and grammar pedantry is a bit demeaning for both parties, really.
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Nah, the correct grammar is ****s or ****ers, or even ****s when describing “Tory/tories”
Demeaning? Nah, I'm trying to help. Endlessly repeated caustic word salads are far less effective if misspelt.
It is odd how Starmer focussing on copying Farages right wing policies whilst ignoring Farage grabbing of left wing policies.
Well, quite. Farage, ever the opportunist, is now marching into the territory Labour has vacated. He's running rings round them.
Farage, ever the opportunist, is now marching into the territory Labour has vacated. He's running rings round them.
Its fascinating though how the ideological purity of Starmer and co prevent them from copying back any of the clearly popular left wing policies. The only policies they copy are the unpleasant hard right ones.
Good to see Stumpyjon doubling down on their passive aggressive attacks and going full binners. Its fascinating to see the grown ups in action.
Farage, ever the opportunist, is now marching into the territory Labour has vacated.
Ah, that's only because Nigel Farage lacks ideological purity.
No one can accuse Sir Keir Starmer of that !
Edit : Beaten to it ! Someone else has noticed Sir Keir Starmer's taliban-esque commitment to ideological purity !
Anyway we are probably being too harsh, it looks like that kicking and screaming Sir Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves are very slowly being dragged leftwards by, ironically, Nigel Farage :
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reeves-spending-review-farage-reform-b2760518.html
So it turns out that people saying they will be voting Reform is maybe having a positive effect... imagine the level of cuts and austerity there would be if Labour had a 20% lead in the polls !
Perhaps voters in Red Wall seats aren't quite as stupid as the stw consensus suggests ?
Good to see Stumpyjon doubling down on their passive aggressive attacks and going full binners. Its fascinating to see the grown ups in action.
Oh stop playing the victim.
Oh stop playing the victim.
If you think that is playing the victim what do you think this is ?
It’s not even worth posting on any of those threads any more, due to the utterly Joyless, humourless, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier-than-though, virtue-signalling ****s all competing in their Taliban-esque way, for some inexplicable reason, to signal how idealogically pure they are .
So anyway apart from moaning endlessly that you can't discuss anything on the political threads because of "the six" have you got anything vaguely related to the subject matter to say?
Perhaps voters in Red Wall seats aren't quite as stupid as the stw consensus suggests ?
I hope not - boy do we need it.
I tend to think with Labour they do things through the skin of their teeth or announce stuff for 2030/40.
Here are all the supply estimates for 25/26 showing previous years spending.
So this is the official document that effectively okays the spending. There is no waiting for tax take.
Labour are about 40bn up on previous years net cash requirements.
It's not much at all and the distribution is pretty rough.
Love it.
(Where is the spinning 756 for the Centrists that have cleared off? Imagine being one of the 756 and being nervous of 6 lefties that have taken a pasting for the last 10 years.)
The hateful 6.
Hang on can centrists count - pure speculation on the lefty mob
Me
DazH
Lynch
Ransos
Dissonance
Somafunk
Oakwood (late comer but very welcome)
BillMC
All for fun like but that's at least 8.
Enters thread to see if theres anything interesting... nope, same as always!
Yes same shit Labour government agreed.
Ernie put an article up showing how Labour are being pressured by Reform.
And I got the supply and estimates documents for spending 24/25 25/26.
What more do you want?
I mean, I bet the Farage, Trump and millions of other agreeable STW Centrist Central threads are full of just angry Centrist noise. I don't bother looking in those to confirm that though.
So anyway apart from moaning endlessly that you can't discuss anything on the political threads because of "the six" have you got anything vaguely related to the subject matter to say?
Nope. Not here at least, I've taken my political debating elsewhere to an environment that isn't toxic.
Hang on can centrists count - pure speculation on the lefty mob
it doesn't need to add up, the centrists can create the six whenever they feel the need and then tax any excess back out to stop it from overinflating.
Enters thread to see if theres anything interesting... nope, same as always!
Feel free to change that by posting something interesting
Enters thread to see if theres anything interesting... nope, same as always!
Feel free to change that by posting something interesting
Not worth the effort lol, I suspect others feel the same.