I'd have liked to see more robust and clearer intervention by the host when the nonsense £2k figure was mentioned multiple times. Couple of minutes ago she just let Morduant and Rayner bicker about it. Should have just muted Morduant the moment she said it.
Mordaunt needs to shut the **** up
grahamt1980
Full Member
Mordaunt needs to shut the **** up
It looks like this is going to be the Tory strategy in the debates. Shout loud, shout often.
Imo, it's doing her no favours, or her party.
BTW, being successful and fortunate doesn’t automatically make you a bad person
I’m certainly not saying that at all, because it would be nonsense.
What I’m saying is that paying private school fees is so inconceivable to the vast majority of people that the very idea of it represents an absolutely laughably unachievable impossibility.
That’s worth bearing in mind with your comments
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Because they have lots of money and / or assets.
Let’s not do the ‘Nick Ferrari cars-gaffer taped-together’ so we can get the kids in private school lark.”
Not at all, just pointing out plenty of well offfolks don’t spend money on cars.
I don’t even know if his kids go to private school.
If it helps, we went to the same comprehensive and his father in law was aghast that someone of his ‘type’ could earn so much money.
He’s simply very talented and has worked very hard in his chosen field.
But relying on a tax break to afford this luxury, for that complete phase of a child’s education was always a risk.
There's lots of things that are VAT rated: not for profit sports, tuition, healthcare... STW coming out in favour of VAT on physios, dentistry and cycling clubs...?
(TBF I do see that they're just not all the same).
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/health-professionals-pharmaceutical-products-and-vat-notice-70157
If half these dimwits understood that public spending is made via the BoE and not using tax receipts they wouldn't be able to argue with the words 'unaffordable.'
Lack of resources/labour is the restriction, not money.
The only thing I’m taking from this debate is I’d like to place Mordaunt, Raynor and Farage on a boat and tell them to **** right off, and leave the other parties to form a coalition
There’s lots of things that are VAT rated: not for profit sports, tuition, healthcare… STW coming out in favour of VAT on physios, dentistry and cycling clubs…
Worse than this - independent schools have special allowances to not pay VAT on certain supplies. Leaving the supplier to effectively pay it on their behalf.
It's a distortion of accounting. But then again the wealthy have always done better with creative accounting.
a **** helicopter in a deprived post-industrial mining town.
Sounds a bit nouveau riche to me. Football club owner...oligarch...heir to a chain of chemists that married a billionaire's daughter?
Our son’s school doesn’t have a driveway. It doesn’t have a helicopter pad. It doesn’t have stables. It is nestled on a normal street in a regular town.
I support your right to put your kids into private school if you want, but RGS Guildford is not nestled on a normal street in a regular town. Guildford is prime real estate itself and the RGS is slap bang in the middle of the High Street. You might not have a driveway but there is a large 'quad' frontage, a large all weather sports pitch and car park (where you could land a helicopter, TBF) and a large sports complex on a second site at the foot of the North Downs.
If it's nestled on a normal street in a normal town then so is Eton.
Think Angela meant 'abject' not abstract.
Yeah scrap the main ones and let the smaller ones run together! (Barring Farage - he can be social events manager.)
You wouldn't dare be late for Penny Mordaunt's dinner party would you? Jeez.
What Farage said: we shouldn't be afraid of doing stop and search in areas where knife crime is most prevalent (audience claps), even if those areas have a high proportion of BAME people in case we get called racist
The SNP are the only party to have truthful policies on Brexit and immigration.
The SNP would like to install a migration barrier between Scotland and England, Ireland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It would have to negotiate a new Common Travel Area agreement with the UK and Ireland to reduce the impact of that barrier. Scotland would also need a trade barrier between Scotland and England & Wales in order to join the EU. Did the guy mention any of that?
he likes to paint eagles don't you know
TBH I'm an on the fence voter, if anything this debate has pushed me away from labour and back to the lib dem's and green (no SNP candidate in the north Cotswolds 😂). Angela Rayner needs to stop bickering with Penny Mordant.
Not much relevance to their policies on EU sand immigration
PCA 🙂
This debate is a compelling reason to tear the whole political system up.
Right now the global politics of the last 80 years feels out of date.
We have dictators waging wars. We have extremist politicians and extremist regimes persecuting their own people. And that’s before we even get started with the hotbed of hatred and vitriol that is STW!
Anybody have any bright ideas? None of the bunch represented on that stage tonight are the answer in my opinion.
Mordant and Rayner have not come out of it well, but fortunately Farage’s mask of joviality has slipped to expose his vile real self underneath. Sadly that might make him even more popular with his fans.
Angela Rayner needs to stop bickering with Penny Mordant.
Given the fuss over the "2k tax increase" for every family and the lie still being propogated right next to her, what choice did she have?
Pandemic was totally funded by the BoE buying 450bn worth of bonds with BoE created money. A zero sum balance sheet exercise.
It didn't cost anyone a penny, Mordaunt.
"72.In 2020, the Bank of England conducted three rounds of quantitative easing, which raised the total amount of Government debt owned by the Bank from £425 billion to £875 billion (an increase of £450 billion). Minutes published by the Monetary Policy Committee set out the Bank of England’s explanations for each round of quantitative easing since March 2020:"
Apologies to Plaid and English green supporters - I do not know their stance on Brexit and Immigration. I assume similar to the SNP
Battered Nissan drops kid in boater and blazer at private school...
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord?
But when the taxman come to the door
Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no
Summed up nicely by The Creedence, I feel.
Don't see that Rayner has much choice given the tories are going to lie and lie about labour.
I just wish they would shut mordaunts microphone off when she won't stop shouting
Like the single audience member clapping Mordant before she finished then noticing no one else clapped, so decided not to clap when she did finish!
Made me chuckle anyway.
No knock out blows tonight as expected and I doubt a single vote will be changed on STW and very few UK wide.
We already know the parties and the ramifications of whom we vote for, nothing has changed.
Apologies to Plaid and English green supporters – I do not know their stance on Brexit and Immigration.
Your apology to the SDLP can come later 😉 I'm sure they're used to people on the "mainland" who ignore their existence.
It's funny, most I know talk about the Greens being cranky rainbow lovers - but they're just about the most pragmatic on the panel.
Angela Rayner needs to stop bickering with Penny Mordant.
She didn't have a choice as mordaunt was going for her. It's clear from both debates that that is the Tory strategy, shout down everyone else - it's all they've got. Next debates need to have a hand of god to turn off mics when the topies are so disrespectful of the process. Everyone else was pretty good .
But yes, clear that there are lots of other perspectives (green, SNP, plaid, LD) worth listening to, and PR would allow us all to voice a more nuanced choice. Farage is just objectionable
grahamt1980
Full Member
As much as I hate the idea that farage would be an mp if we had pr, it is a a m sacrifice that is worth it to make the changes needed.
I sort of want him to see a bit of actual, conventional, (limited!) political power AND accountability... He needs to explain why he hasn't changed the lot of the people of Clacton as it turn out simple policies for complex issues dont work. Particularly when based upon migration. He's had it far too easy throwing shit from the sidelines.
Dear god, the Tories have put weapons grade dimwit Laura Trott up as a commentator. Everyone else obviously had found something better to be doing. She’d struggle to find her own arse using both hands
And who on earth is the Reform party bloke
I’m happy for [private schools] to exist
I'm not, I'd ban the damn things. If the kids of the rich and powerful had to go to the local comp you can bet state schools would start to get a lot more investment. The R&P need to mix with the rest of us, and we with them.
