Another Green vote here.
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I think reform are about 50 short, not sure how many have incumbent tories
They will havea lot of utter wrong'uns in that lot.
I expect all the parties might have a bit of an issue there but reform, by it's nature, will tend to attract people with some easy to find skeletons in their past.
They will havea lot of utter wrong’uns in that lot.
I expect all the parties might have a bit of an issue there but reform, by it’s nature, will tend to attract people with some easy to find skeletons in their past.
If the nature of that wrongness is far-right, xenophobic or racist posts on social media it will probably enhance their prospects with the target audience, though.
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Looks like the quite a few of the Green Party’s PPCs’ social media posting history has seen a bit of scrutiny these last few days. I’m guessing this is one of those “don’t pay attention to the media” things though?
If the nature of that wrongness is far-right, xenophobic or racist posts on social media it will probably enhance their prospects with the target audience, though.
True.
Ie it's already happening as far as outing a few of them.
They have just exposed 2 Reform wrong'uns on CH4 news tonight. What the guy particularly said is... Well.
Regarding the VAT on private school fees, I could see an argument that the government shouldn't make decisions parents made about how they educate their children suddenly no longer viable to continue. It could for example be waived to allow already enrolled children to complete their current level of education at their existing school.
But relying on a tax break to afford this luxury, for that complete phase of a child's education was always a risk. It was pretty obvious that it would eventually come under scrutiny.
Larger and less foreseeable rugs have been pulled out from underneath people and businesses in recent years, much to their detriment and especially so people less able to absorb the impact. They and their kids had to suck it up, and now these parents and their (partially?) privately educated children will have to as well. There's no special protection for them against perceived unfair changes that restore fairness in the education system.
I bet Netanyahu is shitting himself
Did that make sense in your head before you typed it out?
I bet Netanyahu is shitting himself
Drop the **** in Gaza and I imagine he wouldn't have time to worry about shitting himself
The amusing thing about the D-Day furore, is that there's a good chance this will be referred to as the moment Rishi lost the election, as if he had much of a chance to begin with
Yep, he lost it on the beach.
She will only find backbone if it is to her advantage to do so.
She'll probably have to borrow. Tory Mp's don't come supplied with one.
Trouble is these days, there seems to be few going around.
Oh Christ we're back to wiping out each other out.
Nothing ever changes.
Seriously, as was - Boris Johnson and a nuclear bomb, the two never went together. Clumsy goat.
A kid was dropped off at my local independent school in a helicopter today.
Every other car is a Tesla / brand new Land-rover.
They have too much money and too many resources to the detriment of the rest of us. Tax them to control their wealth for sure.
(But not too much as my partner works there !) 😏
Labour and Conservatives both don't understand or don't want the public to understand that if you press the button in retaliation, we are all already dead. It's irrelevant in a global nuclear war (which all nuclear wars would be) if you have a deterrent or not as the two main players would wipe out the northern hemisphere.
Unsurprisingly, on tonight’s debate everyone is getting well and truly stuck in to the little fella and him finding something more pressing to do than honouring the D Day veterans
Penny Mordaunt apologising repeatedly for his behaviour has a face like Dot Cotton licking piss off a thistle
I hope there are no naked flames around with the amount of hairspray she must have on that 80’s haircut
rone
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A kid was dropped off at my local independent school in a helicopter today.
I'll admit I'm a little naive to the ways of the world but wow, I just feel like I've always lived in a parallel universe on occasion. I can't get my head around statements like that.
It is fascinating how a number on here want to be seen as being anti-racist and at the same time supporting apartheid genocide (whilst cracking 'jokes'). Pure sociological phenomena.
Unsurprisingly, on tonight’s debate everyone is getting well and truly stuck in to the little fella and him finding something more pressing to do than honouring the D Day veterans
I saw a comment online earlier, "the guy that wants people to sign up for National Service can't even do one full day of it."
Genius.
BillMC
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It is fascinating how a number on here want to be seen as being anti-racist and at the same time supporting apartheid genocide (whilst cracking ‘jokes’). Pure sociological phenomena.
Its not for me to defend other posters but he didn't say that at all.
There are rich people that decide to educate their children in the independent system.
There are rich people that decide to educate their children in the state system.
The are some obscenely rich people that can afford to educate their children in the independent system. In my experience these are the minority.
There are some moderately well off people that can’t really afford it but make sacrifices. In my experience these are the majority.
If your measure of wealth is the type of car that they turn up to school in, you would be quite shocked by the sheer variety parked outside the school gate. Sure there are some nice cars, but there are some really old ones and kids wearing hand me downs. I see the same mix outside the local state schools. Those cars by the way are nothing more than an outward show of wealth but I suspect that most are leased and the days of car ownership being a measure of wealth are long gone.
Whilst I wouldn’t pretend for one moment that the families that elect to educate their kids in the independent sector are hard up, it certainly isn’t purely the preserve of the obscenely wealthy.
The stretched middle are an easier target than the super rich that can afford to avoid tax payment, or the corporations that make huge profits yet pay little in tax. Maybe I am a little biased but there are more lucrative targets (albeit harder to hit) than the families paying for their education for whom a sudden 20% increase in fees was neither foreseen or affordable.
“ Labour and Conservatives both don’t understand or don’t want the public to understand that if you press the button in retaliation, we are all already dead. It’s irrelevant in a global nuclear war (which all nuclear wars would be) if you have a deterrent or not as the two main players would wipe out the northern hemisphere”
I’m fairly certain most are aware of the outcome of such an event.
If your measure of wealth is the type of car that they turn up to school in, you would be quite shocked by the sheer variety parked outside the school gate. Sure there are some nice cars,
It's an absolute measure of wealth.
I can guarantee you every 3 or 4th car is snazzy as hell.
I mean I saw a MCLAREN ARTURA COUPE going up the drive the other day.
I'm sorry but this is not de rigueur down the street at the statey and neither is a ****ing helicopter in a deprived post-industrial mining town.
(The point being here is they can afford the VAT.)
I’m fairly certain most are aware of the outcome of such an event.
If that were the case it wouldn't be such a strong part of the two main party's defence policy's. Our ballistic missiles are more to DK with Anglo American relations than defence.
A kid was dropped off at my local independent school in a helicopter today.
I went to two private schools is the 80's - helicopter drop offs were relatively regular at both back then (once term or so). I'm also pro putting vat on private education and removing charitable status.
The current debate on TV...
Nigel not the firebrand I expected so far, almost subdued.
Banana intolerant?*
*No, I still dont think it should have happened but it did.
“ If your measure of wealth is the type of car that they turn up to school in, you would be quite shocked by the sheer variety parked outside the school gate.”
One of the wealthiest families in my group of friends, big house in the South East, pays more tax than my gross pay iirc.
Battered 2003 Toyota Previa, very little works and the spare wheel lives in the car due to the carrier rotting off.
But yeah, folks pushing the narrative of kids being pushed out of fee paying schools might be surprised how little a large chunk of the country, who struggle to simply pay the bills care.
There are some moderately well off people that can’t really afford it but make sacrifices. In my experience these are the majority.
I’m sorry but if you can afford private school fees, with or without VAT, you are not ‘moderately well off’
Simply remove one of those three words and you’re there
Surely 'No, I still find think it should have happened AND it did.' Finding and thinking!
jeez, this is awful, with Mordaunt and Rayner just yelling at each other.
Plus side - Mordaunt isn't going to increase support on this performance.
Jesus Christ - Mordaunt the economy is dead - flat-lining at best.
They've got some nerve with this economy is doing better lark.
Green (Carla Denyer) has actual ideas and push back - Labour should listen up.
She's articulate too.
Farage is like a decaying fag that won't go out.
BillMC
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Surely ‘No, I still find think it should have happened AND it did.’ Finding and thinking!
My mobile is a bloody traitor! 😁
Are you saying that there is an obscenely expensive school where the kids get dropped off in helicopters and super cars nestled somewhere down a driveway in a deprived post-industrial mining town?
I can certainly see how that juxtaposition would grate.
Our son’s school doesn’t have a driveway. It doesn’t have a helicopter pad. It doesn’t have stables. It is nestled on a normal street in a regular town. It is a selective school that offers a great education and charges for it. Since there are no selective state schools in the area, if we want the best education on offer, this is way to get it. My sister lives in Kent where selective state education exists. I wish it were the case in Surrey.
We happen to live in Jeremy Hunt’s constituency which looks increasingly likely to give him a bloody nose. We also live very close to Charterhouse where he was educated. That is by no means a normal school, but it would be wrong to tar every independent school, or judge the families that send their kids there with the same brush. To do so would be inversely the same as treating every state school with the same contempt as the very worst of the breed.
BTW, being successful and fortunate doesn’t automatically make you a bad person. Since the dawn of time there have been some cavemen that had better caves than others. It’s just society and fact. Not all poor people are lazy. Not all rich people are exploitative bastards. Wealth, success and good fortune don’t automatically go hand in hand with being an awful human being. There is far more bitterness and judgement on this thread from people with an axe to grind and a chip on their shoulder than any other corner of STW.
Farage is like a decaying fag that won’t go out.
Lol. Very good.👍
Mordaunt trying to go with the tax lie again and getting called out on it.
The greens and the lib dems are coming off well, the snp guy is just irritating however he did bring up brexit that made the frog faced one look sour.
I want us to have pr so we might get some change in this country
One of the wealthiest families in my group of friends, big house in the South East, pays more tax than my gross pay iirc.
Because they have lots of money and / or assets.
Let's not do the 'Nick Ferrari cars-gaffer taped-together' so we can get the kids in private school lark.
My partner works in a private school 95% are proper wealthy.
Tiny amount on bursaries.
Besides we have state system if you can't afford it.
I'm happy for them to exist but I tell you when I work for them I pay their friggin' VAT in my company because they opt out due to basically 'fiddling' (my words) the charity / private straddle.
It's horse-shit.
Are you saying that there is an obscenely expensive school where the kids get dropped off in helicopters and super cars nestled somewhere down a driveway in a deprived post-industrial mining town?
100%
My partner has worked their for 11 years. So I accept their contribution to the community/employment but things have to change.
