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I really can’t believe people are saying Starmer is right to be courting BNP voters.
That's not exactly what he's doing, but I think his strategy, as I've said, is to say as little as possible so as to not alienating anyone and therefore maximise votes simply by being not the current Tories. And it's working quite well.
So what if he 'courts' right wing votes? What's he giving them except waffle in exchange for a vote? We'll see what happens after the election.
I really can’t believe people are saying Starmer is right to be courting BNP voters.
What matters is winning elections. You can't do anything without winning elections.
And once the election has been won it is important not to lose the following election, so it is imperative that you don't do anything which might cause you to lose the following election.
So what if he ‘courts’ right wing votes? What’s he giving them except waffle in exchange for a vote? We’ll see what happens after the election.
It's just not cricket for Labour voters, we need Labour to only focus on winning votes from 20% of the population and only provide soundbites that are bestowing pure left wing policies that we used to have back in the, er, you know, when labour were in power, but not Blair 😂
So what if he ‘courts’ right wing votes?
You don't see a problem with Labour claiming that the current Tory government has allowed too many immigrants in and that they will bring the numbers down?
Is Nigel Farage allowed to say that as well?
So what if he ‘courts’ right wing votes? What’s he giving them except waffle in exchange for a vote? We’ll see what happens after the election.
Because lying to the electorate is not OK. Even racist knuckle draggers. It's what leads to populists sweeping in because they are 'different'.
If Starmer is lying just to get their votes, what exactly do you think is going to happen in 5 years time when a Tory party that has decided to continue the strategy of out-racisting Reform comes into power with 100+ majority?
Either he's telling the truth in which case he's going to pursue policies which will damage the UK or he's lying in which case people will remember and there will be consequences in 5 years time.
Remember in the leadership election when Starmer was saying all the stuff we liked and then one by one he turned around and said, 'Actually, we're doing the opposite of what I said' and now many of us ****ing hate him because he lied to us.
Same thing is going to happen with the electorate if he blatantly lies to them.
You don’t see a problem with Labour claiming that the current Tory government has allowed too many immigrants in and that they will bring the numbers?
Maybe, maybe not. What do you think the problem is with it?
Is Nigel Farage allowed to say that as well?
It's quite interesting comparing what the same people are saying on this thread and the 'Why are people so against immigration?' thread.
So Kemi Badanoch has been tracked down by Team Rishi from wherever she was hiding and told to get out on the airwaves
So she’s done so by addressing that burning issue, foremost in the concerns of all voters at the moment…
*checks notes*
…. ‘Gender Recognition’
Because lying to the electorate is not OK. Even racist knuckle draggers. It’s what leads to populists sweeping in because they are ‘different’.
Racist knuckle draggers have been lied to their whole lives anyway. It is why they hold their views of superiority despite the abundant evidence to the contrary that they are not some kind of physical master race.
If Starmer is lying just to get their votes, what exactly do you think is going to happen in 5 years time when a Tory party that has decided to continue the strategy of out-racisting Reform comes into power with 100+ majority?
I was thinking this the other day. How does a newly elected government change the rules to make it a ten year parliament...?
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‘Gender Recognition’
It was inevitable. But it’s still depressing.
It’s terrifying to think that in just over a months time she’ll be the leader of the Tory party.
Incredible really as she seems to have the towering intellect of Truss, be even tetchier than Rishi and have a similar relationship with the truth to Boris. Maybe all these attributes are why the Tory members love her so much?
She didn’t even address it.
Precisely. And, of course, she wouldn't, would she?
It's not about actual policy it's signalling and signalling to people who don't want to actually think about something - they just don't like it.
That's the audience, that's the demographic. It is the inevitable endgame of playing up to populism.
If you're not going to answer questions at least try and be charming while doing it. She manages to make me want to throw the radio out onto the M3 in seconds.
The (former, I guess) Minister for Women and Equalities dismissing questions on whether it's ok to appear on podcasts where the host jokes about raping labour politicians as 'trivial' was another low point.
But as observed...another trap set for SKS that I'm sure he'll stumble into.
No party has ever "won" an election in the UK in the last 50 years, it's always a case of waiting for the in power party to lose one. You simply have to trot out some vague message that you'll make things better, a couple of not too radical policies maybe and not give the currently in power party any ammunition to use against you.
Badenoch's arrogance and tetchiness when asked for such unimportant things as the details of a policy she is wheeling out or the record of her government...would make for an interesting party leader
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1797533058671030327
She didn’t even address it.
She couldn’t even define what they were actually proposing to do or why it was happening a few weeks before a GE.
I was in the car and Nick Ferrari mentioned she was coming on to discuss it - glad I switched off at that point, saved me shouting at the radio.
It looks like with a bit of tactical voting, the delightful Kemi Badanoch might not be the next Tory leader after all. Ed Davey has said the Lib Dems are not prioritising the seat, which would seem to be a tacit nod
She’s so monumentally arrogant, she’d provide a perfect ‘Portillo Moment’
In the most part people are sucked into culture war arguments because their lives are a bit shit.
The solution isn't just to fight the culture war from the other side, it is to resolve the huge economic inequality that we are now experiencing, to give people some job security, affordable housing and hope that they can improve their lives. If people have that then the culture war talking points just don't matter so much, the seeds of the war fall on rocky ground.
The culture war is the "dead cat" to cover for the failed neoliberal policies and the excuse to continue those trickle up economic policies. Not making fundamental changes to the way the economy is operated for the benefit of the many instead of the few will always allow the culture war to burn and to be stoked into flames at every election cycle.
Looks like they’ve got the other intellectual big guns on the case as well as Kemi
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1797531700484079634?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
Now that anti-trans has popped up, we must have a full house of culture war rhetoric by now. We've done cyclists, immigrants, and the ****less youth, who else is left?
Also, the juxtaposition of that Mail headline and photo is making me feel really quite ill. And Liz Truss didn't seem quite so keen on women's safety when she was sharing a platform the other day with a guy who joked about raping Jess Phillips.
The (former, I guess) Minister for Women and Equalities dismissing questions on whether it’s ok to appear on podcasts where the host jokes about raping labour politicians as ‘trivial’ was another low point.
She still holds the equalities brief alongside business secretary. So she can eff up two important areas instead of just one.
I only meant former as they're all technically holding pencil copies of their Ministerial P45s for the time being.
As noted above; looks likely she'll be getting a full version of it in a few week's time, and then maybe also one for the main job too.
@theotherjonv - I see what you mean now and I really hope so too. Would be better for the country if she was gone from parliament
I have a personal theory that a government needs a serious opposition to be effective, it would be awful if she became the leader of the Tories should they lose and become the opposition.
it would be awful if she became the leader of the Tories should they lose and become the opposition.
Nah, it'll be hilarious. It'll guarantee at least two terms for labour, probably three as it set them back years.
When Rishi appointed Kemi as Equalities Minister I’d assumed it was some kind of joke.
Is there any record anywhere that she’s even so much as acknowledged that she is Equalities Minister? Do you think she even knows?
As for who’s next leader, I’ve still not cashed out my bet at 9/1 on Cruella and if Kemi loses her seat then I reckon that’s nailed on
The culture war is the “dead cat” to cover for the failed neoliberal policies and the excuse to continue those trickle up economic policies. Not making fundamental changes to the way the economy is operated for the benefit of the many instead of the few will always allow the culture war to burn and to be stoked into flames at every election cycle.
Great words and certainly these sort of observations are scant around here.
Bit of a squinty-eyed guess as interest rates start to get cut (after a bit of minor market excitement bump) we will then likely head into a bigger recession without some big state boost.
So she’s done so by addressing that burning issue, foremost in the concerns of all voters at the moment…
*checks notes*
…. ‘Gender Recognition’
Apparently this is the reason my dad wants to vote Reform.
It may not be my mums mental faculties we should be worried about
What’s he giving them except waffle in exchange for a vote?
Nothing good will come of bullshitting racists with dog whistles.
Oh look, it's nuclear weapons day at the election. I wish they'd announce it in advance so we know to turn the news off and avoid the guardian website. Someone tell me when they've moved on to something important. 🙄
frogface to make an announcement at 5pm
wheres he going to stand?
Clacton, apparently.
Not sure what they've done to deserve it though.
Ian Dunt is always worth reading and he’s bang on about Badanoch
“There's never the slightest thought for how to fix something. Never a hint of a practical plan for the future. There is just the division.”
Badenoch's carnival of poison and hate
+1 Binners
The right or wrong side of these issues does not lie with one tribe or the other. It’s about whether you are trying to alleviate or worsen them. That is the true binary. That is the one that matters.
Policy similarities and differences aside, that encapsulates the situation. When you cast your vote and make a judgement on whether you are able or unable to vote for Labour, make decisions aligned to your own interests and conscience but please think on that statement as you do.
another watery moment
https://twitter.com/ChirpyChet/status/1797601641698607186
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1797603213753065475
Bombs to the 'left' of me and single sex toilets to the right.
What a truly terrible campaign so far.
It's a shit show of mashed up daily mailerism with liberals ignoring every single possible progressive solution 'cos it's not pragmatic or the market will sort it.
Honestly would just prefer it if Starmer and Sunak battled it out in a Thunderdome environment.
"oh gosh... we're going to keep going"
How little nous would it take to stand up, turn around.... and wave them goodbye? Take control of the situation.
https://labourhub.org.uk/2024/06/03/darren-williams-to-keir-starmer-why-i-am-resigning-from-labour/
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"It looks virtually certain that Labour will comfortably win the general election and the overdue expulsion of office of the awful Tories will be something to celebrate, but my concern is that this opportunity for lasting change will be squandered because you lack the moral and political courage to deliver the radical reform that is needed to improve people’s lives – and seem determined to alienate and antagonise so many of Labour’s natural supporters along the way."
It won't make the headlines unlike any resignation under the previous Labour leader. Starmer will be relieved.
He only mentions Jeremy Corbyn twice. Oh, and Gaza twice as well.
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“oh gosh… we’re going to keep going”How little nous would it take to stand up, turn around…. and wave them goodbye? Take control of the situation.
There's is a follow up to that boat vid where Sunak is lead away before the Libdem boat passes again, you'd think there was an assassination plot unfolding from their haste!😁
Rish! having a problem with small boats today
https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1797601259014533439
He only mentions Jeremy Corbyn twice.
Not everyone is obsessed with Jeremy Corbyn. Although I am surprised that Gaza isn't mentioned more considering that it is likely to have some impact on the Labour vote in some areas on July 4th. As it did in the local May elections.
theyre not narrowing at the moment
That 10k sample is huge.
114 is the Tory seat prediction here:
https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2024/05/britainpredicts
That redfield polllooks like this in electoral calculus
24 Tory seats?
Let's not get carried away.
Honestly would just prefer it if Starmer and Sunak battled it out in a Thunderdome environment.
Who would play Blaster?
https://news.sky.com/story/election-latest-news-uk-sunak-starmer-tories-labour-live-12593360
Well I for one will be glued to the telly in a few minutes time. It makes perfect sense for Farage to stand. The Tory Party is on its knees like never before. This is the best chance that UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform UK as ever had to offer themselves as a right-wing alternative to the Tories. Farage standing would give them a huge boost.
And to think that a couple of months ago some people on here claimed to be convinced that Reform UK would not stand any candidates in the general election!
And to think that a couple of months ago some people on here claimed to be convinced that Reform UK would not stand any candidates in the general election!
I was pretty convinced they'd pull out like last time, farage himself said he wouldnt stand just a week ago, what has changed?
Well Mrs g has been out canvassing in a middle class area and quite a few labour supporters say they are thinking of voting something else (liberal, green or plaid to choose from) for the reasons you might expect. A safe labour seat though, so a cheap protest vote I guess.
To start off with, Rishi Sunak was asked what his favourite Nando's meal was.
The answer – a half chicken with medium spice along with chips and broccoli, which the PM said he had eaten twice last week.
I thought Sunak was vegetarian, and "hardly ate at all" ?!?
Now I'm confused.
I was pretty convinced they’d pull out like last time, farage himself said he wouldnt stand just a week ago, what has changed?
Reform UK said a very long time ago that they would definitely stand in the general election and that there would be no deals with the Tories like the last general election.
I don't know why some people didn't believe them. It's obvious that they are not scared of Starmer becoming PM as they were of Corbyn. Besides, the UK has left the EU now, why would they do the Tories any favours?
And to think that a couple of months ago some people on here claimed to be convinced that Reform UK would not stand any candidates in the general election!
Nope - what we said is that they will pull out of tory target seats. Farage has already offered this publicly
Farage has already offered this publicly
No he hasn't.
Not everyone is obsessed with Jeremy Corbyn. Although I am surprised that Gaza isn’t mentioned more considering that it is likely to have some impact on the Labour vote in some areas on July 4th. As it did in the local May elections.
These folk with a Labour/Gaza issue, who else are they actually going to vote for?
Genuine question.
3rd party behind lib dems
The British public have the power to make this happen... I fear it's more likely that the more solid a Labour win looks, the more seats the Tories can stop switching to Labour or LibDem as people decide to register their "protest votes" rather than doing what needs doing to stop their own MP being a Conservative. The only thing keeping the Tories on the front benches is complacency in the voting public... we can make third place happen... and they deserve it. British politics could genuinely change if more political exchanges and challenges were between the LibDems and Labour in parliament and in the media... rather than being dominated by the Conservatives and their offshoot parties on the right.
These folk with a Labour/Gaza issue, who else are they actually going to vote for?
Genuine question.
I think the answer to that ^^ question might be answered on July 5th
ATM it is up in the air.
8th time lucky for the man-frog?
Probably another failed attempt but the prospect of daily bile-spewing, racist rants by Nige to appeal to the headbangers (their core vote) will have them absolutely bricking it in Tory Central Office.
Some of those polls and predicted seats are not a glowing endorsement of FPTP. Again.
It would be rather delicious if the tory were to suffer from it though.
He had me in tears when he talked of not wanting to let people down. ****
He's just repeating his lines from the referendum campaign... you'd hope the voters have moved on since then... I wouldn't bet on it though... not in every seat.
Doesn't say much for Clacton if that's where he thinks he has the best chance of winning.
I thought he lived in k*nt, which is a fair old distance away. Wonder if he'll move to be closer to his people?
From the Frog Faced C***:
We’re in economic decline in relative terms. Oh, sure. We’re doing better than our former partners in the European Union. But we’re massively behind America and many other parts of the world. We’re in social decline. And we’re actually in a form of moral decline. We’ve forgotten who we are as a country.
Bit rich seeing as you were prioritizing being at the front of the queue to lick "34 Felonies and Proven Rapist" Donald Trumps boots a mere 11 days ago, I wonder what might have changed your mind...
Managed to squeezing in a D-Day reference...
Farage is already talking about five years’ time. I think it’s sadly not unrealistic for Reform to be eyeing up an M5S-style landslide if Labour doesn’t deliver change.
Rees-Mogg could really lie across the benches then.
At least he'd only have a short walk from the division lobby to the minor opposition party benches 😃
I took the day off yesterday. Had a normal day. Walked the dogs. Did a bit of fishing.
The "man of the people" act still going then? No doubt he'll be telling us how kicking off a massive hufty in the national press when his private bank acct was going to be closed was the act of a every-day fella. I mean, isn't that what we'd all have done?
You missed out "popped into the pub".
As a performance artist... his output is consistent at least... and for "some reason" the media go along with it. More paparazzi photos of him leaving elite private members' clubs, please.