It’s a no-brainer for those with no brains and/or hate in their brains.
And sadly that seems to be 42% of the people which is rather a lot. Don't know much about Clacton but it must be full of right ****s (and that is rich coming from someone who lives in the New Forest)
Even the normally reliable Guardian is just going through the motions of taking the latest head-to-head debate to bits. Or maybe it's a very clever reflection of how the two protagonists are handling it...
Was that before or after you admitted you were being a dick?
What I actually got warned for was saying that he was a bad* advert for Labour and for every person he's convinced to vote Labour by knocking on doors he's probably turned at least one person off voting Labour with his hilarious antics on here. Which I don't think was being a dick, just pointing out a fact.
Like I said, binners likes to dish it out but gets very upset if someone pushes back. For a guy who like nothing more than going on about racist pensioners he got very triggered when I suggested Gen-Xers are better off than millennials and Gen-Z. Suddenly making any kind of generalisation about age related demographics was a terrible thing to do. He had to give us all his story of ruin and how he heroically pulled himself back up by his boot straps and everything.
And again, I notice it's only the people who agree with him who are leaping to defend his comedic genius. The rest of us are just irritated when we try to make valid points and get a 'well aimed meme' that is solely there to belittle the people making the points rather than address the points themselves.
Anyway, I was quite happy to leave this but if the binners superfans wants to keep going then fine.
*I may have used a word for excrement instead of bad.
Even the normally reliable Guardian is just going through the motions of taking the latest head-to-head debate to bits
This election campaign seems to have broken the time/space continuum. It feels like it’s been going on for about a year. There’s surely nothing left to say? I can’t believe we’ve still got another week of this nonsense.
I didn’t watch last nights debate, but let me guess…. Rishi was a titchy, tetchy little prince who just shouted over everyone and Keirs dad was a toolmaker? Does that about cover it?
Ramster called him a liar about the 2k tax hike and told him he'd been told to stop saying that
It was like being told off by your Mum's bingo mate - where you know they're right but they have no authority so you just merrily ignore them
I didn’t watch last nights debate, but let me guess…. Rishi is a titchy, tetchy little prince who just shouts over everyone and Keirs dad was a toolmaker?
Oh I've not watched any of them, I can't stand Rishi's smug smarmy "I know best" attitude and Starmer is just bland. Inoffensive but dull.
But yes, according to the news items I've seen on it, Rishi did indeed get tetchy. As usual.
Not sure if Starmer brought up the surprising and little known fact that his Dad was a toolmaker...
Wow....Binners is clearly living rent free in BruceWee's head 😂
So Farage wins, takes his seats in Commons, waits until Tories look like they are about to go through a new leadership contest (won't have to wait for long), engineers a fallout with Tice/Reform, moves benches to Tories, stands for leadership, voted in my gammony Tory members, becomes leader of the opposition, at the next election has a chance of becoming PM.
What am I getting wrong here?
Wow….Binners is clearly living rent free in BruceWee’s head 😂
I'm sure binners appreciates your support. Keep fighting the good fight.
But this thread is definitely a good example of how people who have a simple message (GTTO) and stick to it relentlessly while berating those who try to ask awkward questions are always going to be far more popular than people who ask awkward questions and then just keep asking them if they don't get an answer.
Kind of like a microcosm of the Brexit campaign.
Get Brexit Done was a rallying cry and it worked. No one wanted to think about afterwards. Get The Tories Out is exactly the same. No one wants to think about what comes next.
Loving today's electoral calculus poll score! Go Ed Davey!
19 reform seats is scary though.
The RW press absolutely hammering Starmer on their front pages. Mainly taxes and immigration.
I think Labours instinct to be very cautious with policy, too cautious for many im sure including me, was the rest to go.
If Labour had been even remotely radical (at this point😉) Labour would have been on the defensive all the way through with Sunak/Tories getting a hall pass from much of the media.
I saw online that Clacton is overwhelmingly white/British. Why is it places like that, that are always the most xenophobic?
Purity of essence?
So Farage wins, takes his seats in Commons, waits until Tories look like they are about to go through a new leadership contest (won’t have to wait for long), engineers a fallout with Tice/Reform, moves benches to Tories, stands for leadership, voted in my gammony Tory members, becomes leader of the opposition, at the next election has a chance of becoming PM
He would need to gain a lot more credibility for that to happen. A fair chunk of the people like him, yes, but they're his low hanging fruit. Converting other demographics might be a lot harder. Hopefully.
Oh dear God, people are really too thick to be allowed to vote...
https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1806238748536922386?t=_FyGQTSXOG2ggdzbufkRaA&s=19
Edit: what do I need to do to actually get the tweet to embed rather than just link?
I like binners' posts most of the time and I pretty much agree with him. But looking back at last night's exchanges he probably got a bit over-excited and overdid the PFJ / 6th Form common room / Magic Grandad stuff.
Does that make me a fence-sitter? Do I need to choose a side?
As for not worrying about post 4th July if the Tories are gone...
Nonsense. If Labour don't start enacting some Labour policies I will be berating them almost as harshly as the Tories. I accept that Starmer has to lie to the more easily-led voters, but he needs to enact policies, quickly, that negate their faux outrage by making a difference to normal people's lives. Normal people who will then drown out cries of 'betrayal' from people who wouldn't know what their best interests are if they walked face first into them.
Yep agreed Binners, the campaign feels like a slightly longer period than my first marriage.
Our local hustings aren't until next Monday/Tuesday either?! Who's going to be arsed to turn up to them (if I can be arsed I'll only be going to bait the Reform candidate into saying something ridiculous!)
So Farage wins, takes his seats in Commons, waits until Tories look like they are about to go through a new leadership contest (won’t have to wait for long), engineers a fallout with Tice/Reform, moves benches to Tories, stands for leadership, voted in my gammony Tory members, becomes leader of the opposition, at the next election has a chance of becoming PM
I really don't think he wants to be LotO. He's a campaigner, self professed "non politician/elite" and is only really good at problem (real or otherwise) creation, not problem solving. Even worst would be winning an election and actually having to DO STUFF. He'd hate it!
He'd also be under a hell of a lot of scrutiny and I still maintain there are some very dangerous (for him) skeletons in his cupboard.
Oh, reports today that his Putin love in has caused a dip in Reform support... so if you like a bit of Reform baiting on X... Linking Putin to Farage is the way to go. 😉
It didn't require Binners to put me off voting Labour, though he's being trying very hard. It was Starmer himself with his attitude to Stop Oil and the NHS.
Don't worry about it, Brucewee, you're the go to for reasoned arguments and Binners for posting superficially amusing memes.
FFS guys - a lot of us can be a bit of a pain hammering away at particular points. Hows about stopping the personal attacks?
people are really too thick to be allowed to vote
I work in a GP practice We have guidelines in publishing and they say aim for Entry Level 2 on the Adult Literacy scale published by the NLT (literacy Trust) It's why, when you read stuff published by the NHS is says things like "your tummy", and it has to tell people to wash their hands after using the toilet.
The Literacy Trust say that Entry Level 2 is equivalent to literacy levels at age 7-9. Adults with below Entry Level 2 may not be able to describe a child’s symptoms to a doctor or read a label on a medicine bottle. They suggest that may include more than 7 million people in the UK
It's not until you get to level 2 - the highest the Trusts Scale goes equivalent to GSCE grades A-C that you get folks who can even recognise bias in the news media.
Edit: If you've ever wondered why more folks read the Sun than the broadsheets, I'm sure you won't be surprised where the editorial guidelines for the Sun suggest to pitch their literacy levels...
IDK because I have prosopagnosia (difficulty recognising / distinguishing similar looking faces) but despite the denials there are a few that are utterly certain that this new Tory voter isn't all they seem to be.
Hilarious if correct.
https://twitter.com/GregHands/status/1805990458159481219
Hows about STW getting rid of the anonymous likes which are used by clans to enhance personal attacks.
Oil : https://www.insider.co.uk/news/labour-confirms-no-new-oil-33024065
NHS : https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-centre/bma-responds-to-labour-party-manifesto
Hows about STW getting rid of the anonymous likes which are used by clans to enhance personal attacks.
Oh Christ, not this again, You know that's only happening in your head, right? I mean they're literally anonymous, there's no way you can decide that people use them for, what was your phrase? "Hate-Likes" or even have the time or organisational skills too gang up to co-ordinate it.
FFS guys – a lot of us can be a bit of a pain hammering away at particular points. Hows about stopping the personal attacks?
Or how about those that are a pain hammering away a particular point over and over again stop doing it. Then we can have an actual discussion about what is actually happening and likely to happen.
Edukator
Free Member
Hows about STW getting rid of the anonymous likes which are used by clans to enhance personal attacks.
That would penalise all the other threads on the forum though which would be a shame.
Disabling it on certain threads might be logistically troublesome and also cause it's own issues. People would argue about which threads should have Likes disabled etc etc!😁
I suppose hovering over a like icon could be made to name, names but the Devs probably have enough on their plate at the moment.
For me, the likes aren't the issue anyway, everyone on here gets grumpy sometimes. We have no idea what a poster is going through in the real world, sometimes that can seep into the forum.
Oh Christ, not this again, You know that’s only happening in your head, right? I mean they’re literally anonymous, there’s no way you can decide that people use them for, what was your phrase? “Hate-Likes”
This got 8 likes so far. So there's at least 8 people who want me to know they're laughing at me (but won't say it themselves).
Wow….Binners is clearly living rent free in BruceWee’s head 😂
I don't mind admitting it doesn't feel particularly great. It's not a bad thing to say but it's definitely not supposed to make me feel good. Thing is, I'm also stubborn so it just makes me want to double down as soon as someone does decide they are going to have a go directly,
But I'm sure you'll be quick to tell me I brought it on myself.
But I’m sure you’ll be quick to tell me I brought it on myself.
No we won't.
😉
nickjb
Or how about those are a pain hammering away a particular point over and over again stop doing it. Then we can have a discussion about what is actually happening and likely to happen.
I see your point but discussion inevitably will mean bringing up topics that have been discussed before, it just will.
To be simplistic, much of the news tells us the Tories are incompetent, basically daily.
So, that will be mentioned daily, over and over by different posters... And again, the next day etc.
What will happen when the Labour Marxists impose Vat on private education...
https://www.economist.com/europe/2015/10/30/greece-reconsiders-a-tax-on-private-education
We'll be towed down to the Med? Have you thought this through?
Crazy-legs - take a screen shot - came on here to post the same and saw you got there first
fenderextender
Free Member
I fear we are entering the realm of having an argument about how to have an argument.
Yes. I think the only workable solution is to take a step back from the thread, go look at what else is going on in the forum or when go out for a walk/ ride or whatever.
If you look at the other threads there are genuinely some real life affirming ones and even better, some genuinely hilarious ones!
Grimep - I don't know how old you are but do you realise that Labour now sits on the political compass somewhere around pre thatcher tories?
or even have the time or organisational skills too gang up to co-ordinate it.
People know which clan(s) they're in. I could do a pretty good venn diagram of members attitudes on various issues. So even if they're anonymous it's not hard to guess who's piling on with the "hate likes". "Love likes" on the other hand are harder to guess. I'd like to bet I hold the record on "hate likes" (for stuff that didn't earn a warning or ban) and Drac has the record on "love likes" 🙂 Only one thing is sure, light green rosettes don't (ab)use either.
Because of this...
Thing is, I’m also stubborn so it just makes me want to double down as soon as someone does decide they are going to have a go directly,
... you get this -
So there’s at least 8 people who want me to know they’re laughing at me (but won’t say it themselves).
It's a flamboyant over-dramatisation to suggest people "like" posts arguing contrary to your point are doing so to "laugh" at you but you know, you do you. For me I'm just liking posts because they're funny or I agree with the point - sometimes that even includes yours. But I don't generally engage with posters who have a zero tolerance approach to compromise in their discourse - we're all adults, we can have differing opinions, absolutely zero point in approaching a discussion about the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin with a "I'm right and any disagreement is wrong" attitude.
Edit - just to add, I'm not immune to this myself, you understand. Just saying it makes for a very dull debate. Well, not a debate so much...
When, viewed from a distance, 99% of us are within a hair’s breadth on the political beliefs scale.
What is it about MTBers all having almost indistinguishable political beliefs?
