You’d have to have a very very good reason to exclude a company balls deep in the world of PPE for decades as part of your response.
The Tories think enriching themselves and their chums IS a very very good reason. The people on the receiving end of the shonky PPE, not so much.
Re the labour candidate - what a knob.
Seems like he was up to something slightly different to the tory/plod grifters but even so. Previously it was a clean, clear story Labour could use to underline exactly what atmosphere and the type of people the tories had involved in and around government. Now - not so much. Then you remember Starmer welcomed Elphicke onboard when there was zero need and the veneer is peeling before the wrapping paper is off.
I wonder how many others involved somehow in the election and have taken a punt are cringing right now waiting for their name to get dragged in.
IIRC election candidates are banned from betting on elections.
The suspended Labour candidate Kevin Craig said he “deeply” regrets putting a bet on the Tories winning in the Suffolk constituency he is contesting.
Warra numpty - FFS!
Tories ok weve belatedly suspended our 2 candidates
Labour ok were suspending a candidate for betting against himself to lose
Tory cabinet minister... I was joking that id win £2100 on election date
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1805662613025485032?t=z1Y5QuVOuVvD-o-HpY6Ecw&s=19
this is going to blow up now, ill bet loads of candidates, staffers, etc bet on all kinds of political stuff
Or 29 million very very shitty reasons.
Considering well over a billion's worth of usable PPE is currently stockpiled awaiting destruction in the New Forest, the 29m for Mone is dwarfed by the level of incompetence in the remainder of the covid procurement process.
But yes, let's tackle benefit fraud.
At least having found it they acted decisively.
I wonder it it's meant as a Judas bet, one that you hope to lose because you want that outcome. Although on an event you can potentially have an influence over is daft. At least if you bet on yourself (Tonali) there's no chance of alleging 'throwing' the game with a bad performance at a hustings, or calling an old lady a bigot off camera.
And if a Judas bet is illegal because it influences the outcome then I'd better refer myself to the gaming commission, 'cos I'm bang to rights.
In the here and now – Let’s talk about corruption/bad morals in Sunak’s Tory party (gambling allegations, dodgy HoL nominations, Tees Enterprise Zone, PPE VIP Lanes, Hester donation), and what corruption/bad morals in Starmer’s Labour party looks like (errrr…..), and there is clearly no equivalence…….
That aged well 😆
The Labour betting one, on an individual basis, is as bad as an individual Tory one.
I suppose Starmer at least has the balls and authority within his own party to act. Unlike Sunak who has to ask permission from whichever loony 'family' he is currently trying to appease.
But betting on yourself to lose will always create the impression that you could 'throw' the result to benefit financially. No matter how specious that might be. You just do not do it.
The Tory version seems much more widespread though - but now Labour are tarnished the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade are out in force. That only benefits the National Socialists, sorry, Reform.
Kevin Craig - you plonker.
dissonance
Uh huh and what about those who were happy with 350m on a bus or the claims we would still be in the common market etc etc because what mattered for them was the intent of getting out of the EU.
Lying is lying and will just help lower the expectations of politicians in general and allow the next bunch of lying tory bastards to go one step further still.
In a world/ country where politicians always placed the country before party or personal wealth/ influence Id absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately we have mostly endured Tory governments in our history as their party has been incredibly successful at winning elections. Is that due to remarkably good governance or the willingness to do whatever is necessary, irrelevant of convention, morality or ethics to retain power? I think it's the latter.
In the real world intent does matter. We could currently have a Labour party, standing on principle and generally fighting an election based upon the political equivalent of Marquess of Queensbury rules. They'd be polite, 100% truthful in their manifesto and held up as a shining example of UK politics. Which is entirely lovely until you are fighting an opponent willing to spit in your face, kick you in the balls then set a dog on you just to make sure the gravy train carries on flowing.
If you are fighting a viper you better be willing to bite back. The UK no longer has the luxury of having Labour in opposition for another 5 years, perhaps another decade or more because they aren't willing to fight the Tories where they reside; the gutter.
The Tories haven't inflicted their distinctive form of government on us because of the Labour party and any perceived ills its done. If Jesus H Christ himself were in opposition they would still have behaved exactly the same way. If there is a lack of trust in politicians it has been both actively encouraged by the Tories as a form of voter suppression as well as accidently inflicted due to the utter contempt they have shown for parliament and the UK populous.
Again, I know not everyone agrees with my take, which is fine, but personally I'm done with a Labour party that's too principled to take the fight to the Tories, it's a luxury we can no longer afford.
@poopscoop, I feel your pain. For me it's two issues ..(and they keep cropping up on the thread, so sorry to repeat)
- FPTP has gifted Tories w power more often than not with (significantly) less than 50% of the votes. We're stuck with it this time round, and have to hold our noses and vote tactically
- In the longer run, we have to campaign for electoral reform, push for a more representative system with some kind of PR
susepic
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@poopscoop, I feel your pain. For me it’s two issues ..(and they keep cropping up on the thread, so sorry to repeat)FPTP has gifted Tories w power more often than not with (significantly) less than 50% of the votes. We’re stuck with it this time round, and have to hold our noses and vote tactically
In the longer run, we have to campaign for electoral reform, push for a more representative system with some kind of PR
Yeah, sorry all, got on my high horse in the post above. I still stand by the logic but I allowed my poor mood to seep into the tone and that's something I'm desperate to avoid.
(I'm not *that* angry about politics, it's "other stuff".)
I must admit it's only the discussions of PR on here that made me really think about electoral reform.
I was initially pretty sceptical of the benefits of PR to a healthy elective system. Then it occurred to me that they're is no *perfect* voting system. Based upon that rather obvious revelation (I got there in the end at least, lol) I'm far more inclined towards PR than I was. 👍
Poop, I hope that i didn't come across as lecturing or mansplaining. We all have lots of life stuff going on (you more than most) and the tory clusterf@ck of brexit and covid etc etc just makes it even worse and snuffs out any hope or positivity.
I'm trying to think that July 5 could be a better place
But betting on yourself to lose will always create the impression that you could ‘throw’ the result to benefit financially. No matter how specious that might be. You just do not do it
Peston saying a lot of staffers & candidates, Labour, refm, con all have placed bets like this or similar, if the gambling commission starts calling out each one it could become (more) chaotic
susepic
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Poop, I hope that i didn’t come across as lecturing or mansplaining.
Lord no mate, didn't even occur to me to think that!👍
I’m trying to think that July 5 could be a better place
I'm still a little terrified that, against all odds, the Tories scrape it. I think that's why I'm so vociferous about the Tories needing to be removed at any cost. Logically I know it's hugely unlikely (they scrape it) but even the tiny chance of it makes me feel a little nauseous. Lol
Even assuming Labour win, theres some hellish problems to solve and I can only hope Labour are up to it and are given the time to turn the tide by the electorate.
m still a little terrified that, against all odds, the Tories scrape it. I think that’s why I’m so vociferous about the Tories needing to be removed at any cost.
So how are people seeing things on the ground developing in their constituencies. Here in midsussex it seems that the libdems are odds on to give the tories a shock 🤣, but still some work to do. Labour apparently have realised they are not going to have a chance so are diverting resources to Crawley where their chances are historically better.
How are things developing for Frankconway and Binners, is the situation going in the right direction in this last few days?
Peston saying a lot of staffers & candidates, Labour, refm, con all have placed bets like this or similar, if the gambling commission starts calling out each one it could become (more) chaotic
I'm not a betting person other than the lotto sometimes and I dont begrudge people having a bet on things but I'm shocked at the stupidity of the situation.
I see Starmer has also said that the donation (£100k) to the Labour party the now suspended candidate made is being returned too.👍
What a bloody idiot, making a bet on losing the seat.ffs!
I blame @binners for all this. 😉
Looks like someone couldn't wait until 4th July to dispatch Sunak*
* a car has smashed through the main gates at Chequers this evening but was thwarted by the security bollards behind.
https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/24410826.emergency-services-dealing-incident-chequers/
So how are people seeing things on the ground developing in their constituencies.
Neck and neck here with the incumbent Tory a couple of points in front of Labour.
Still not seen a single Tory poster up (though admittedly I'm not out much these days.lol) but a fair few Labour ones, occasional Green and Libdem too. I'm sure the Tory vote is there but you know, shy Tory syndrome.
Man, lots and lots of flyers/letters through our door though! I've had 3 or 4 from Labour, 1 Tory and a libdem and green one arrived today.
I'm sure we didn't get this maklny in other elections or it's just I have a poor memory!?
It really feels like there is "war" going on, hidden in the most part apart from on here or in the news, for the very soul of the country. This really does feel like the most important election of my lifetime so far, I get the impression many others feel the same.
Dickyboy
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Looks like someone couldn’t wait until 4th July to dispatch Sunak** a car has smashed through the main gates at Chequers this evening but was thwarted by the security bollards behind.
https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/24410826.emergency-services-dealing-incident-chequers//blockquote >
Shit. Theres been an incident at Sunak's house up in Yorkshire too but I just expected that to be Just Stop Oil or such.Has there been some coordinated "attack"? That's not JSO's mo.
Edit:Looks like they are unrelated.
So how are people seeing things on the ground developing in their constituencies
Looks like libdem & labour can't decide who are best placed to oust the Tories, so true blue here by the looks of things, although libdem are definitely trying the hardest, but I'll wait till nearer the day to see what the polls are saying - tactical voting websites aren't calling it yet either.
Shit. Theres been an incident at Sunak’s house up in Yorkshire too but I just expected that to be Just Stop Oil or such.
Just a pissed idiot according to the paper - the entrance to chequers is straight on if you fail to negotiate the 90 degree bend in the road - only spotted the carnage on an evening loop walk around chequers, looked like the roof had been cut off, surprised the car wreck was still there 7hrs after the event.
^^ looks like it was an original VW Scirocco too.
Hopefully the driver is ok, the front took one hell of a hit from the bollards looking at the photos.
Someone broke in and took a s*** in Rishi’s duck pond. It feels like it should be one from a familiar set of comedy threats. I suppose he was all out of sausages, and couldn’t find those Sambas to rechristen.
zomg
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Someone broke in and took a s*** in Rishi’s duck pond. It feels like it should be one from a familiar set of comedy threats.
I need clarification, has that actually happened?
Not going to lie, I'm having a bit of a laugh here as I type this.
I'm a child but come on...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrrlep3l0ro
It comes as a video was released by protest group Youth Demand, which appeared to show a young man entering the prime minister's property and defecating in a lake.
The four men, aged 52 from London, 43 from Bolton, 21 from Manchester, and 20 from Chichester, remained in police custody for questioning and inquiries were ongoing, North Yorkshire Police added.
Group called Youth Demand...and one of the arrested is the quite excellent (possible the best- until next year) age of 52. On a personal level I'm taking that as a win.
Edit - watched the video. The old gits appear to just be paps there to watch a young man defecate - which has just wierded me out and rather pissed on this 52 year old's chips.
The group said the action was a "parting gift" for the prime minister and the Conservative government.
Oh God, im in tears here. 😂
Heroes one and all.
looks like it was an original VW Scirocco too.
If a mk1/2 Scirocco then blame the shit 239mm disc brakes and cross bulkhead operated master cylinder, you'd be better off opening the door and putting your foot down to stop.
I've owned many Mk1/2 Sciroccos, first improvement was always 256mm disc upgrades and bulkhead strengthening plate
Someone broke in and took a s*** in Rishi’s duck pond. It feels like it should be one from a familiar set of comedy threats.
I need clarification, has that actually happened?
Is it a coincidence that we've had a thread on here about Bowel Training? Was that some sort of activation of a sleeper cell?. I mean, I'm not sure I'm able to go on demand like that - reports say they were apprehended within a minute of getting into the grounds.
Group called Youth Demand…and one of the arrested is the quite excellent (possible the best- until next year) age of 52. On a personal level I’m taking that as a win.
To be fair, they’re all probably a lot younger than the average Tory voter these days…
In truth it looks like a real sausage (yes, peak STW!) stuck up the guys bottom but I edited it out just in case!
Was that some sort of activation of a sleeper cell?.
Oh God, stop! 😂😂
Hmmm @poopscoop , ummm can we just check, nominative determinism being what it is and all…
Fair play though - breaking in with one in the chamber ready. Get you timing wrong or get caught before the bomb doors are open and it could get messy.
Fair play though – breaking in with one in the chamber ready. Get you timing wrong or get caught before the bomb doors are open and it could get messy.
One of the funniest scenes on jackass, the bathroom showroom.
Hope the boys in Richmond got their picolax dosing dialled in....
One of the funniest scenes on jackass, the bathroom showroom.
Oh man, id never seen that before!
Then I found the video of him in the minivan BEFORE he even went into the plumbing store! My God, the humanity! 😂
igm
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Hmmm @poopscoop , ummm can we just check, nominative determinism being what it is and all…
I'm hindsight I'm so glad I chose that tag.
I'm sure I tried signing up as butt nugget all initially all those years ago but I don't think my membership was approved! Sorry Mark!
Don't wory it's only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission...
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1805720047303696686?t=AWyxtoX3JeNGfaaDeH4zqA&s=19
Don’t wory it’s only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission…
I consider it way past the time that the Conservative Party should be declared a “domestic terrorism organisation” and outlawed for the damage they have done to the country
Don’t wory it’s only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission…
in fairness it seems we have half a dozen cops and a labour candidate too… although the labour candidate just bet that the Tory would beat him, which I think in “City Circles” is just hedging your deposit so probably OK. Ironically by having been “outed” he’s now more likely to win that bet!
kimbers
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Don’t wory it’s only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission…
That took me to a follw up tweet that's a little concerning.
Many candidates are thought to have placed bets upon themselves to win. Now... That's subtly very different but that subtly will be lost on the electorate.
Also... Labour candidates are far more likely to have placed such a bet on themselves winning (if they are bloody politically stupid...) for obvious reasons than their opposing Tory candidate.
Imagine a scenario where Starmer has to ignore that subtle difference of betting on yourself to win and is forced to suspend a tonne of candidates...
The Tories then win the GE due to Labour candidates having to stand as independants, if at all.
I know I'm very much thinking of a worst case scenario but... it's possible.
Yep, betting on yourself to lose is still very dodgy in the eyes of gambling as you could potentially throw the contest (like Rishi is). Betting to win is a bit different unless your challengers are forced to withdraw for some unknown reason.
Seems pretty obvious to me that an MP should not be betting on politics but then I am a bit straighter than a lot of MPs I suppose.
