[url= http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b75_1328252232 ]Why Cyclists need cameras![/url]
apologies if it's been linked before, I though it worthy.
OOIIIII WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
I've commuted on many of those same roads for years. Never needed a camera, also never needed to shout and yell like some angry stress monster all the time.
I think he needs to chill the (expletive deleted) out. A lot.
That's Gaz (cyclegaz on youtube IIRC). Someone's nicked his video and uploaded it to liveleak by the looks of things. The title isn't really fair either, he's done the maths plenty of times about how (un)common the near misses are, 'dozens' per day is a bit hysterical!
great, thanks bails
Tell you what - those cyclists with cameras, they go looking for trouble, just so they can upload it. I bet they start out every morning just praying to get splattered on the bonnet of a X3 just so they've got something good to put on Youtube.
Eh, druidh?
they go looking for trouble, just so they can upload it
Don't have to look very hard, most drivers seem to be half asleep on my morning commute / on the phone / eating breakfast / reading the Sun / shouting at children in the back and seem completely oblivious to their surroundings.
I [s]hope[/s] [i]think[/i] DezB is on the wind up!
Being run over hurts. I'm still suffering after what seemed like a fairly innocuous knock in May. Without the helmet cam I probably wouldn't have got much out of the insurers.
Just quoting a valid* STW opinion
*morons
To be fair, he is in London where everyone is angry and a crap driver.
You have to accept that it is a very different place to the rest of the country.
I started using a camera to record all the incidents on my commute and I just got bored in the end. There simply weren't enough of them and I couldn't get anyone to try and fight me. They always locked the doors when I started arguing with them.
What is it about fat, old london taxi drivers that makes them so hard?
I couldn't get anyone to try and fight me
You have to drag them out their cars and corner them.....
I record my commute through Leeds city centre, must say that 999 times out of a 1000, I just delete the files.
He is very shouty however 🙂
there not hard.... just stressed, shouty cyclist and stressed drivers....bit old hat really.What is it about fat, old london taxi drivers that makes them so hard?
We should take that guy mountain biking, he could shout at the rocks, drop offs, jumps, stormtroopers....
CFH reported for swear filter avoidance.
OIII ROCK WHAT ARE YOU DOOOING?
We should take that guy mountain biking, he could shout at the rocks, drop offs, jumps, stormtroopers....
You just need numberplates hung on trees so that he can recite them after every obstacle and he'll be like a duck to water.
He's rather angry about something.
Most of those things have happened to me but I've never had any kind of 'incident' with the motorists involved because I couldn't be bothered 🙄
if you go out looking for trouble you will find trouble..
i reckon he would have as many issues if he drove a car on the same roads instead of riding his bike.
daft thing is he's very likely to die from stress and far less likley to die from a car/bus/van crash.
the chap is just ANGRY !!!!
fella's no right is he?
30yrs of commuting into leeds and i have not had that many episode's.
Never fails to make me laugh that clip!!
On one hand we've got a guy trying to ride safely to work, on the other hand we have a nutter.....
DrP
One stressed out cyclist, complete tool.
One stressed out cyclist, complete tool.
^^This^^
And, sadly, this will do nothing to help cycling. Some people will see it and assume it's too dangerous for them to ride. Some people will see it and assume that all cyclists are angry, shouty, stress-muppets.
As Ton, and others, said, commuting just isn't like that if you're "normal".
To be fair, he is in London where everyone is angry and a crap driver.You have to accept that it is a very different place to the rest of the country.
TO be honest my experience is the opposite. For me inner London (zone 3 and in) is not a bad place to cycle. Busy yes and you do get angry drivers most are failure (angry and calm drivers) with bikes and the traffic slow enough during rush hour. Outer London is a different matter and requires more skills to deal with the traffic.
Contrast with where I'm cycling now (Nr Bournemouth) and the combination of greater traffic speed and less familiarly of drivers with cyclists creates much more dangerous situation in my experience.
Nearly every one of those drivers were twaats, ignoring the fact there was a cyclist with as much right to the road as them.
Putting aside the fact that he's a bit odd with his shouting out of reg plates -
You really think it's ok for a car to pull out in front of a bike? A effing great lorry to pull across into his lane? (that's happened to me and its pretty bloody scary).
Oh you're all so righteous and cool that it wouldn't wind you up? Yeah. Right.
I guess you must drive like that too.
Seems like a fairly normal day cycling in london, you just have to get on with it
commuting just isn't like that if you're "normal".
and you ride 100% defensively [b][i][u]AND[/u][/i][/b] you just ignore all the sh!t and plain inconsiderate driving
here's my list from just last week:
industrial estate - car pulls from side road turning right without slowing or looking right then nearly stops across road - i had seen their speed as approached and expected it and am breaking hard - observant van driver on other side slows so car can keep moving out of my path
right turn at traffic lights with green arrow - i turn fully visible to car slowly approaching stop light opposite - he turns left via short slip at last minute(no indication ) and doesn't bother looking at give way - i move across to other lane and he looks shocked to see me as i look into his window
preparing to move to right turn lane i look behind and decide cement truck is fast and erratic so move to left to let pass - driver is on mobile
yesterday mrs antigee got car doored - fortunately no damage or injury
think "the best" youtube clip i've seen is the one with two roadies and the driver just turns left across them and then says something like "what do you expect - i wanted to turn left" exactly
What plumber said! That whole video looks like one day commuting in london to me. You have to be a bit of a flunkie to act so aggressively to all of those incidents, but nob head taxi drivers DO deserve an ear bashing. They think they own the road and they don't get pulled up on it enough.
and you ride 100% defensively AND you just ignore all the sh!t and plain inconsiderate driving
No, I ride sensibly, and am well aware of the idiots out there who;
Are fixie riding asshats and cannot control their achingly "scene" bike
The truck driver who's been awake for 48hrs straight
Altura Man! All red lights shall bow down before his magnificence!
The cabbie, in a rush, perhaps missing something in one of his mirrors
The mobile phone addicted pedestrian stepping out without looking
The potholes
The Borisistas
The selfish tw@s parked in the bike lanes
The Critical Mass asshats
That bus that runs just south of the river that goes soooooo slowly
etc.
Thing is,
.you just have to get on with it
As more and more of us do just get on with it and ride bikes, we'll be just fine.
As more and more of us do just get on with it and ride bikes, we'll be just fine.
Until someone takes you out.
I find it's a fairly natural human response to get a bit shouty when someone nearly kills you. Yes, it's probably not good for your soul, but I know drivers who will chase people down for not using their indicators FFS. In comparison, shouting at someone who looks like they might be about to end your life seems quite reasonable. I don't think he'll go to hell for it.
Not that video again. What a nob. To be honest, I see loads of arses like him every morning; casually jumping lights etc and then shouting at all the half asleep drivers for some terrible infringement, that is never that bad really. People like him should just stay at home and do everyone a favour. Actually, does anyone know him? I'd like to have a little chat with him, on camera, of course. Can you imagine him behind a wheel? Terrifying.
I see loads of arses like him every morning; casually jumping lights etc and then shouting at all the half asleep drivers for some terrible infringement
Agreed. Last cyber-warrior-asshat I saw had earphones in (I could hear the music alongside him, FFS) and casually jumped the next red.
Just chill out and ride.
Oh, and the standard of racing out on the daily commute is shocking; now every turd with a new Boardman (hey, it's not about the bike!) thinks he's Brad or Cav, or both. It's always thus: traffic lights, Boardman-man rocks up, on the right, hands shaking, foot quivering on the pedals, then off ten to the dozen - for about 5 meters before trailing off like the dick he is. Man-up you new commuters, get some legs FFS. Anyroad, does anyone know who that dick on the video is?
whats wrong with that? :pLast cyber-warrior-asshat I saw had earphones in
they're good to have around though as a bit of entertainment on your ride home though.for about 5 meters before trailing off like the dick he is
Personally I love nothing more than smashing lycra clad action commuters who ride a £6grand, exotic race bike from italy with matching colour race suit. (On my £700 single speed track bike built in a guys shed in central london.) (Up a hill :p)
[quote=SevenPillarsofIgnorance ] Anyroad, does anyone know who that dick on the video is?
I reckon it's DezB. That would explain his reaction to this thread and he certainly seems to have the accompanying propensity for confrontation.
Yawntastic....
[i]Helmet[/i] cam. It's in the name.
Ah, the love of smashing roadies on a crappy mtb. Or, even better, the singlespeed, fixed gear chappie who just cannot be beaten, until you glide past. Sends shivers down my spine. That said, some of those singlespeed blokes are right fast. Always tempted though to say "oh single speed? That will be "slow" then?" Never had the b*llocks though.
The guy with the cam seems a dick.........ok a few near misses but he should be more aware and cautious.
more likely he'll be killed by the stress of cycling than someone hitting him.
This is the chap that's gonna be on the BBC1 Programme next week I think. It was advertised after the sleeping programme. War on Britains Roads or something. I'm sure they showed some of this vid.
Quite like the air horn bell. Think he does need to chill out a bit, despite some of the idiot car drivers shown in the video.
[i]I reckon it's DezB.[/i]
There'd be a **** of a lot more swearing if it was me. ****
You have more sense than to live in London, eh Dez.
To be fair, he is in London where everyone is angry and a crap driver.You have to accept that it is a very different place to the rest of the country.
As others have said I disagree, I ride into the City from outside the M25, and find it absolutely fine, the worst bit is between Epsom and Merton, getting into London things get better!
In a few thousand miles I've never shouted at anyone, I've had a few near misses, and (literally) brushed a couple of cars, but keep your wits about you and ride defensively and with some purpose and it's fine.
I think a lot of people are far too timid on the roads for their own good, getting squashed into the kerb because they insist on hugging the gutter rather than moving out a bit.
Then there's aggressive shouty muppets, who are just as bad.
The guy with the cam seems a dick
Yes, for at least 3 reasons.
1 - he seems to be firmly in the "I'd rather be right than alive" camp
b - he seems to deliberately make situations worse than necessary, or cause avoidable situations, i.e. "looking for trouble"
iii - he spends his (sad, lonely) evenings uploading his idiocy onto Youtube ... 🙄
Unless he's one of those nut-jobs who believe putting stuff on Youtube will make drivers become better. As if motorists spend their evenings checking the interwebs for tips on how to improve their driving. 😀
yeah he does seem to want to go full steam ahead regardless of the traffic around him, you wanna say to him 'ease up a bit & don't worry about it so much mate.'
saying that some of the driving IS horrific, I particulary like the one at 2 minutes where a woman in a landrover pulls in front of him at a roundabout and she actually stops and looks at him and he sounds like Arnie 'Oiiii what the *bleep* you doing? ell zero zero 8 enn vee enn' well funny.
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this is an interesting one, they guy gets out a van to come talk to him and the police are there too.
ell zero zero 8 enn vee enn' well funny
Either it was a [i]very[/i] old land rover, or it should have been "ell [b]oh[/b] zero 8 enn vee enn"?
I wonder if he's the same idiotic ball of rage and anger when pushing his trolley around the supermarket.
[i]1 - he seems to be firmly in the "I'd rather be right than alive" camp
b - he seems to deliberately make situations worse than necessary, or cause avoidable situations, i.e. "looking for trouble"
iii - he spends his (sad, lonely) evenings uploading his idiocy onto Youtube [/i]
Interesting view. to me he seems to be
1. Riding along, getting cut up, pulled out on and sometimes abused by dickheads
b. Going at a pace he should be able to go at without getting cut up, pulled out on or hooted at by ignorant dickheads
iii. Trying to highlight the fact that there a lot of ignorant dickheads around, some of whom put him in danger.
Just chill out and ride.
I would not chill on a commute rather I would be incredibly attentive.
London does seem to get some special example - both cyclist and driver but I do wonder how many folk on here actually commute given the comments
As for the video most of the driving is madness from other road userss though he gets more cross about it than i would. However were he in a liveried police vehicle I assume none of the incidents would have happened for obvious reasons.
Is a squeaky, self righteous voice, obligatory for helmet cam purchase?
Is a squeaky, self righteous voice, obligatory for helmet cam purchase?
No. It adds to the effect of course, but primarily you just need to be an angry giant testicle.
1. Riding along, getting cut up, pulled out on and sometimes abused by dickheadsb. Going at a pace he should be able to go at without getting cut up, pulled out on or hooted at by ignorant dickheads
iii. Trying to highlight the fact that there a lot of ignorant dickheads around, some of whom put him in danger.
one - making a big deal out of it when normal people would manage to react far less self-righteously
two - he's expecting motorists to drive appropriately, but refuses to adjust his own speed/position to suit the situation?
three - by deliberately causing/worsening a situation just to make a point, thus putting himself in more danger and making motorists angry and more likely to react aggressively toward him.
😀
cyclegaz's best mate DezB, or as Gaz knows him, his old mate YR59 TYH
😀
one - making a big deal out of it when normal people would manage to react far less self-righteously
Making a big deal out of someone putting your life in danger is fair game if you ask me. I wouldn't appreciate it either.
two - he's expecting motorists to drive appropriately, but refuses to adjust his own speed/position to suit the situation?three - by deliberately causing/worsening a situation just to make a point, thus putting himself in more danger and making motorists angry and more likely to react aggressively toward him.
WTF? Eh. How can he control how close a bus cuts in without actually stopping and getting on the bus? Or is that the solution?
Maybe, just maybe, he's being a touch self-righteous (no more so than any of the drivers in that clip), but it doesn't negate the actions of the drivers in the first place which are far, far worse.
Making a big deal out of someone putting your life in danger is fair game if you ask me. I wouldn't appreciate it either.
Do people feel better about getting stressed and shouty and what not?
I ride as much as many on here, mainly on the road, and get into incredibly few altercations. I just don't understand how people find themselves in these situations, nor why they think that getting all hot and bothered is a better solution than just getting on with your life. It's too short.
Blimey, butcher - you'll go round giving people the impression that there's actually [i]cyclists[/i] on this forum with views like that.
jota - emoticons don't make you even slightly funny. Just so ya know.
Do people feel better about getting stressed and shouty and what not?
I reckon very few people feel good about it at all. And you're all absolutely right, everyone would be happier if we were all so philosophical about it.
But it's not an entitrely unnatural response in the face of iminent danger, and you can't undo several million years worth of evolutionary survival instincts in a single day. Some people have to work on it.
Fair enough. I wonder if I'm too chilled out to actually notice these scenarios. Or if I'm good enough to avoid most before they arise...
jota - emoticons don't make you even slightly funny. Just so ya know.
Now I thought it was funny and was meant as such
If you don't want to take it that way, fine
It's definitely a mind-set thing. Forget cycling for the moment...
I now drive a van rather than a car. I therefore stick to the 50mph speed limit on normal carraigeways. I'm aware when there are cars behind me that could legitimately go faster and if I'm on a road where overtaking is difficult I'll make a point of slowing down, acceleratting less hard, indicating left. This allows the other car to pass. I'm barely inconvenienced, the other driver is happy and I'm happy that they are happy.
I could, of course, maintain my "right of way" and not make it at all easier. The other driver would get frustrated and would be pulling out to look for an overtaking spot and might then "go for it" at a point where it's less than ideal, making me angry.
Or, for a simpler example, when in a slow moving line of traffic I might let a car out of a side street. I don't have to - I have right of way. I choose to because I'm simply being considerate to other road users.
Some (but my no means all) of the examples in that video posted above fall into a similar category. A bit of common sense and consideration of other road users would make the whole thing a bit more pleasant - for everyone involved.
this is an interesting one, they guy gets out a van to come talk to him and the police are there too.
I'm normally on the side of the bike in this kind of thing - but he makes a basic error here. If you indicate, it doesn't give you right of way to move out. He keeps saying he indicated then moved out.
With parked cars, you should approach such that you don't need to move out much.
Some (but my no means all) of the examples in that video posted above fall into a similar category. A bit of common sense and consideration of other road users would make the whole thing a bit more pleasant - for everyone involved.
There's some truth in that. Easier to say from the relative safety of a van, but yep. There's a point where it goes from reacting to iminent danger to reacting to your beliefs.
I just think the reaction on here towards the cyclist is a bit over the top given the clips shown.
[quote=butcher ]
There's some truth in that. Easier to say from the relative safety of a van, but yep. There's a point where it goes from reacting to iminent danger to reacting to your beliefs.
I just think the reaction on here towards the cyclist is a bit over the top given the clips shown.
I should say that I cycle with the same mind-set 🙂
but he makes a basic error here. If you indicate, it doesn't give you right of way to move out. He keeps saying he indicated then moved out.
Not agreeing with you on this one. When he started the manouvre the van was behind the car behind!
[i]I'm normally on the side of the bike in this kind of thing - but he makes a basic error here. If you indicate, it doesn't give you right of way to move out. [/i]
Oh yes. He should've stopped behind the car so that the nice van had plenty of room to overtake. Cos of course the van has more right to the road than he does 🙄
Perhaps you want to go through each incident in the first video and point out how they were actually the cyclists fault really.
Not agreeing with you on this one. When he started the manouvre the van was behind the car behind!
In this case, the van was wrong - but he is also wrong to claim that indicating gives him the right of way to move out. Which is what he seems to keep saying.
Oh yes. He should've stopped behind the car so that the nice van had plenty of room to overtake.
No, he should have behaved exactly like a car. Drive in such a way that it's not necessary to indicate and move out to pass parked cars - and if you do get stuck behind a parked car, wait for a gap in traffic to move out.
[i] if you do get stuck behind a parked car, wait for a gap in traffic to move out.[/i]
Are you serious? So in a car, you can get stuck behind a parked car so that someone can overtake you? DUH!
If you go to the bother of recording your commutes, isn't there probably a part of you that on some level want some incidents to happen, and therefore make them more likely to. Total armchair psychoanalysis but it seems plausible to me.
[quote=DezB ] So in a car, you can get stuck behind a parked car so that someone can overtake you?
Err- yes. If it's not safe to pull out then you'd have no option ❓
[quote=grum ]If you go to the bother of recording your commutes, isn't there probably a part of you that on some level want some incidents to happen, and therefore make them more likely to. Total armchair psychoanalysis but it seems plausible to me.
I don't think you need to go that deep. After all, we live in an age when some folk will do almost anything just for a bit of fame/notoriety, whether that's eating kangaroos testicles on live TV, making an intentional arse of themselves on an X Factor audition or doing death-defying stunts and posting them on Youtube.
No, he should have behaved exactly like a car. Drive in such a way that it's not necessary to indicate and move out to pass parked cars - and if you do get stuck behind a parked car, wait for a gap in traffic to move out.
Are you serious? Indicating is irrelevant, it's obviously a precautionary measure presumably learnt from past experience. It's not required because he always had right of way in the first place, it's a single lane. His road position is pretty good throughout too - secondary and primary when needed.
Look again at the rear view. The van drivers actions are pretrty bad. I haven't got sound so have no idea what is said, but the video speaks for itself...no judge in the land would put that cyclist in the wrong there.
Read again what I said. The driver was wrong in that case. But the cyclist was also wrong when he kept repeating the "I indicated then moved out" line - he seems to believe that indicating gives him the right to move out - it does not.
Read again what I said. The driver was wrong in that case. But the cyclist was also wrong when he kept repeating the "I indicated then moved out" line - he seems to believe that indicating gives him the right to move out - it does not.
No, he already had that right. He didn't even need to indicate. He was following a single lane.
No, he already had that right. He didn't even need to indicate. He was following a single lane.
So why keep saying it?
Edit: I'm confused!
So why keep saying it?
Like I say, I don't have sound, I don't even know what he says, but it's irrelevant - he's pretty much in primary position before the van even pulls out, and well before he reaches the row of cars. It's a single lane, there was never anywhere for the van to go in the first place. His riding is pretty much impeccable throughout that clip. The driving is criminal.
Like I say, I don't have sound, I don't even know what he says, but it's irrelevant
It is a bit relevant when this whole discussion is about things the cyclist says 😉
A quote: "I have it on camera - I clearly indicated".
Edit: I'm confused!
I'm assuming we're talking abotu this clip? I'm a bit cobnfused too because I don't know how anyone can refute this!
i shouted at some schoolgirls this morning.........they pressed the pedestrian crossing button, when i was 50yrds away.......... 😈
It is a bit relevant when this whole discussion is about things the cyclist says
Well, if he was saying he had right of way, he was right 😛
edit: it's a good job he had a camera to prove his point 😀