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yeah he does seem to want to go full steam ahead regardless of the traffic around him, you wanna say to him 'ease up a bit & don't worry about it so much mate.'
saying that some of the driving IS horrific, I particulary like the one at 2 minutes where a woman in a landrover pulls in front of him at a roundabout and she actually stops and looks at him and he sounds like Arnie 'Oiiii what the *bleep* you doing? ell zero zero 8 enn vee enn' well funny.
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this is an interesting one, they guy gets out a van to come talk to him and the police are there too.
ell zero zero 8 enn vee enn' well funny
Either it was a [i]very[/i] old land rover, or it should have been "ell [b]oh[/b] zero 8 enn vee enn"?
I wonder if he's the same idiotic ball of rage and anger when pushing his trolley around the supermarket.
[i]1 - he seems to be firmly in the "I'd rather be right than alive" camp
b - he seems to deliberately make situations worse than necessary, or cause avoidable situations, i.e. "looking for trouble"
iii - he spends his (sad, lonely) evenings uploading his idiocy onto Youtube [/i]
Interesting view. to me he seems to be
1. Riding along, getting cut up, pulled out on and sometimes abused by dickheads
b. Going at a pace he should be able to go at without getting cut up, pulled out on or hooted at by ignorant dickheads
iii. Trying to highlight the fact that there a lot of ignorant dickheads around, some of whom put him in danger.
Just chill out and ride.
I would not chill on a commute rather I would be incredibly attentive.
London does seem to get some special example - both cyclist and driver but I do wonder how many folk on here actually commute given the comments
As for the video most of the driving is madness from other road userss though he gets more cross about it than i would. However were he in a liveried police vehicle I assume none of the incidents would have happened for obvious reasons.
Is a squeaky, self righteous voice, obligatory for helmet cam purchase?
Is a squeaky, self righteous voice, obligatory for helmet cam purchase?
No. It adds to the effect of course, but primarily you just need to be an angry giant testicle.
1. Riding along, getting cut up, pulled out on and sometimes abused by dickheadsb. Going at a pace he should be able to go at without getting cut up, pulled out on or hooted at by ignorant dickheads
iii. Trying to highlight the fact that there a lot of ignorant dickheads around, some of whom put him in danger.
one - making a big deal out of it when normal people would manage to react far less self-righteously
two - he's expecting motorists to drive appropriately, but refuses to adjust his own speed/position to suit the situation?
three - by deliberately causing/worsening a situation just to make a point, thus putting himself in more danger and making motorists angry and more likely to react aggressively toward him.
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one - making a big deal out of it when normal people would manage to react far less self-righteously
Making a big deal out of someone putting your life in danger is fair game if you ask me. I wouldn't appreciate it either.
two - he's expecting motorists to drive appropriately, but refuses to adjust his own speed/position to suit the situation?three - by deliberately causing/worsening a situation just to make a point, thus putting himself in more danger and making motorists angry and more likely to react aggressively toward him.
WTF? Eh. How can he control how close a bus cuts in without actually stopping and getting on the bus? Or is that the solution?
Maybe, just maybe, he's being a touch self-righteous (no more so than any of the drivers in that clip), but it doesn't negate the actions of the drivers in the first place which are far, far worse.
Making a big deal out of someone putting your life in danger is fair game if you ask me. I wouldn't appreciate it either.
Do people feel better about getting stressed and shouty and what not?
I ride as much as many on here, mainly on the road, and get into incredibly few altercations. I just don't understand how people find themselves in these situations, nor why they think that getting all hot and bothered is a better solution than just getting on with your life. It's too short.
Blimey, butcher - you'll go round giving people the impression that there's actually [i]cyclists[/i] on this forum with views like that.
jota - emoticons don't make you even slightly funny. Just so ya know.
Do people feel better about getting stressed and shouty and what not?
I reckon very few people feel good about it at all. And you're all absolutely right, everyone would be happier if we were all so philosophical about it.
But it's not an entitrely unnatural response in the face of iminent danger, and you can't undo several million years worth of evolutionary survival instincts in a single day. Some people have to work on it.
Fair enough. I wonder if I'm too chilled out to actually notice these scenarios. Or if I'm good enough to avoid most before they arise...
jota - emoticons don't make you even slightly funny. Just so ya know.
Now I thought it was funny and was meant as such
If you don't want to take it that way, fine
It's definitely a mind-set thing. Forget cycling for the moment...
I now drive a van rather than a car. I therefore stick to the 50mph speed limit on normal carraigeways. I'm aware when there are cars behind me that could legitimately go faster and if I'm on a road where overtaking is difficult I'll make a point of slowing down, acceleratting less hard, indicating left. This allows the other car to pass. I'm barely inconvenienced, the other driver is happy and I'm happy that they are happy.
I could, of course, maintain my "right of way" and not make it at all easier. The other driver would get frustrated and would be pulling out to look for an overtaking spot and might then "go for it" at a point where it's less than ideal, making me angry.
Or, for a simpler example, when in a slow moving line of traffic I might let a car out of a side street. I don't have to - I have right of way. I choose to because I'm simply being considerate to other road users.
Some (but my no means all) of the examples in that video posted above fall into a similar category. A bit of common sense and consideration of other road users would make the whole thing a bit more pleasant - for everyone involved.
this is an interesting one, they guy gets out a van to come talk to him and the police are there too.
I'm normally on the side of the bike in this kind of thing - but he makes a basic error here. If you indicate, it doesn't give you right of way to move out. He keeps saying he indicated then moved out.
With parked cars, you should approach such that you don't need to move out much.
Some (but my no means all) of the examples in that video posted above fall into a similar category. A bit of common sense and consideration of other road users would make the whole thing a bit more pleasant - for everyone involved.
There's some truth in that. Easier to say from the relative safety of a van, but yep. There's a point where it goes from reacting to iminent danger to reacting to your beliefs.
I just think the reaction on here towards the cyclist is a bit over the top given the clips shown.
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There's some truth in that. Easier to say from the relative safety of a van, but yep. There's a point where it goes from reacting to iminent danger to reacting to your beliefs.
I just think the reaction on here towards the cyclist is a bit over the top given the clips shown.
I should say that I cycle with the same mind-set 🙂
but he makes a basic error here. If you indicate, it doesn't give you right of way to move out. He keeps saying he indicated then moved out.
Not agreeing with you on this one. When he started the manouvre the van was behind the car behind!
[i]I'm normally on the side of the bike in this kind of thing - but he makes a basic error here. If you indicate, it doesn't give you right of way to move out. [/i]
Oh yes. He should've stopped behind the car so that the nice van had plenty of room to overtake. Cos of course the van has more right to the road than he does 🙄
Perhaps you want to go through each incident in the first video and point out how they were actually the cyclists fault really.
Not agreeing with you on this one. When he started the manouvre the van was behind the car behind!
In this case, the van was wrong - but he is also wrong to claim that indicating gives him the right of way to move out. Which is what he seems to keep saying.
Oh yes. He should've stopped behind the car so that the nice van had plenty of room to overtake.
No, he should have behaved exactly like a car. Drive in such a way that it's not necessary to indicate and move out to pass parked cars - and if you do get stuck behind a parked car, wait for a gap in traffic to move out.
[i] if you do get stuck behind a parked car, wait for a gap in traffic to move out.[/i]
Are you serious? So in a car, you can get stuck behind a parked car so that someone can overtake you? DUH!
If you go to the bother of recording your commutes, isn't there probably a part of you that on some level want some incidents to happen, and therefore make them more likely to. Total armchair psychoanalysis but it seems plausible to me.
[quote=DezB ] So in a car, you can get stuck behind a parked car so that someone can overtake you?
Err- yes. If it's not safe to pull out then you'd have no option ❓
[quote=grum ]If you go to the bother of recording your commutes, isn't there probably a part of you that on some level want some incidents to happen, and therefore make them more likely to. Total armchair psychoanalysis but it seems plausible to me.
I don't think you need to go that deep. After all, we live in an age when some folk will do almost anything just for a bit of fame/notoriety, whether that's eating kangaroos testicles on live TV, making an intentional arse of themselves on an X Factor audition or doing death-defying stunts and posting them on Youtube.
No, he should have behaved exactly like a car. Drive in such a way that it's not necessary to indicate and move out to pass parked cars - and if you do get stuck behind a parked car, wait for a gap in traffic to move out.
Are you serious? Indicating is irrelevant, it's obviously a precautionary measure presumably learnt from past experience. It's not required because he always had right of way in the first place, it's a single lane. His road position is pretty good throughout too - secondary and primary when needed.
Look again at the rear view. The van drivers actions are pretrty bad. I haven't got sound so have no idea what is said, but the video speaks for itself...no judge in the land would put that cyclist in the wrong there.
Read again what I said. The driver was wrong in that case. But the cyclist was also wrong when he kept repeating the "I indicated then moved out" line - he seems to believe that indicating gives him the right to move out - it does not.
Read again what I said. The driver was wrong in that case. But the cyclist was also wrong when he kept repeating the "I indicated then moved out" line - he seems to believe that indicating gives him the right to move out - it does not.
No, he already had that right. He didn't even need to indicate. He was following a single lane.
No, he already had that right. He didn't even need to indicate. He was following a single lane.
So why keep saying it?
Edit: I'm confused!
So why keep saying it?
Like I say, I don't have sound, I don't even know what he says, but it's irrelevant - he's pretty much in primary position before the van even pulls out, and well before he reaches the row of cars. It's a single lane, there was never anywhere for the van to go in the first place. His riding is pretty much impeccable throughout that clip. The driving is criminal.
Like I say, I don't have sound, I don't even know what he says, but it's irrelevant
It is a bit relevant when this whole discussion is about things the cyclist says 😉
A quote: "I have it on camera - I clearly indicated".
Edit: I'm confused!
I'm assuming we're talking abotu this clip? I'm a bit cobnfused too because I don't know how anyone can refute this!
i shouted at some schoolgirls this morning.........they pressed the pedestrian crossing button, when i was 50yrds away.......... 😈
It is a bit relevant when this whole discussion is about things the cyclist says
Well, if he was saying he had right of way, he was right 😛
edit: it's a good job he had a camera to prove his point 😀
Well, if he was saying he had right of way, he was right
He seems to be implying that he had right of way [u]because he indicated[/u] - which is incorrect.
He seems to be implying that he had right of way because he indicated - which is incorrect.
Then with any luck he'll be reading this forum and will have a better comeback next time.
That's what we need - some good comebacks 😉
I'll start with: "you drive like my nan - she's brain-dead too"
I think he does pretty well in the circumstances. My mouth would be spewing rather more unpublishable wordage.
Then with any luck he'll be reading this forum
No, he'll be filming this forum and shouting the words out letter by letter. Like he's recording a "how-to-spell" audio book. Badly. It'll be on Youtube later, and we'll be able to [i]listen[/i] to a thread for the first time!
STW. The Audio Book.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Excellent idea BenCooper, we need a load of good comebacks.
how about.
'Oh your horn works, what about your brain/brakes?'
This guy seems like a total bell end In my opinion. I've ridden enough miles on the road to be cut up a few times but wouldn't waste my time making a bloody video.
His main mistake was jabbering on about "indicating" and being in the right in a squeaky voice, rather than simply pointing out the van driver made an ill thought out overtake and regardless of the weight of his vehicle, was still responsible for driving it safely, according to the road conditions.
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I'm assuming we're talking abotu this clip? I'm a bit cobnfused too because I don't know how anyone can refute this!
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Yep. In that clip, I can't see what else he could have done. IMHO there was never even a point at which indicating would be necessary. In fact, It would be confusing as it would appear he was going to make a right turn.
However, on the general point of coming up behind another vehicle and [i]having to pull out to pass it[/i], indicating does not give you right of way. If there isnt a suitable gap in the overtaking traffic and you can't pull out without causing other vehicles to slow down then the only option is to stop and wait. That's the same rule for all road users.