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He won't have the benefit of a few months to hide away as the lawsuits will start thudding onto his doormat from Jan 21st.
There is still the possibility he will take the 'hitler in his bunker' way out - that would be disappointing but typical of a bully.
1997 felt great, but today feels a bit different. As much as I wanted the Tories out, and held them in contempt, it felt in now way like the kind of release that chucking Trump out. I feel envious of those that got to vote for Joe & Kamala and can party today.
I think Joe maybe needs to encourage the crowds to disperse tonight though. That would be the responsible thing to do - MAGAs aren’t going to like their noses being rubbed in it all weekend - as much fun as it is. Now would be the time to show the desire for unity.
Well every ragetweet until inauguration day be all caps?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325194709443080192?s=19
He won’t have the benefit of a few months to hide away as the lawsuits will start thudding onto his doormat from Jan 21st.
That gives him a couple of months doesn’t it? 😃 Anyway, question...can he prepare legally, as a private citizen, for what might hit him on 21/1/21? As in, can he be a private citizen and POTUS simultaneously? Or is he POTUS only, completely immune, and then a private citizen, on his own from 21/1? Sorry - bit of a mangled question there...
What’s the precedent for the president refusing to concede he’s lost?
There isn’t one, IIRC.
His next TV show will be to find the next GOP candidate.
deadly, he remains POTUS until Pres elect Biden takes the oath at which moment he reverts to being a private citizen.
He can certainly prepare legally now for what will land on his doormat on 21st January.
Moving on from that it's being reported by John Roberts of Fox that trump will spend a few days with his advisers and lawyers discussing possible legal challenge options; if, at the end of that, they conclude there is no realistic prospect of a credible challenge he will concede...*gracefully*.
Wait what now, has this been doe?
The trump campaign booked the 4 Seasons landscaping company for their press conference, instead of the 4 Seasons Hotel
Giuliani went ahead & did it anyway
https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/1325141204418191361?s=09
What’s the precedent for the president refusing to concede he’s lost?
There isn’t one, IIRC.
And it doesn't matter.
birky - that's great!
And it doesn’t matter.
Exactly. All he needs to do is allow the Biden transition team access, which he already has, supposedly.
Obama's speech writer has Johnson figured out
https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1325137653851828230?s=19
And it doesn’t matter.
If you can't win, lose in the most bigliest and winningest way ever. Set records and precedents for just how badly you lose. So no one ever forgets you. That's the Trump way.
Fame, infamy it's all the same to him.
Fame, infamy it’s all the same to him.
Infamy, infamy...they've all got it in for me; after Kenneth Williams.
Edit - damn, too slow.
Is it still quite warm in America? I’d have thought inland cities would be bleedin freezing at the moment. Loads of people wearing shorts, vests, young wimminz with their bellybuttons on show the floozies... 😃
I think you’re watching the Snoop Dogg Just Eat video DD...
Dunno about the North East of 'murica' but I spoke to a mate in eastern Canada - 20°C and sunny today. Not normal.
Fame, infamy it’s all the same to him.
Maybe, up to the point that in this race there was only a winner and a loser. Two words welded so deep inside his core brain (without implying intellect) that he’ll never reconcile it.
It's not over, this is all part of the plan.
Trump is just going to pretend not to be president while they fall into his trap.
Great analysis here of the implications for Johnson, Brexit, trade deals.... Everything basically. 8 minute video.
Not sure if I know how to embed a tweet though.
https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1325164658056187904?s=20
Going back to the 4 Seasons mix up
Giuliani was 40 mins late as he went to the hotel 1st
The landscaping company is a lockup between a sex shop & a crematorium
https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1325099599196016641?s=19
I’ve just seen Biden say, in a clip on the BBC News channel, to a BBC correspondent trying to get his attention… “I’m Irish”.
Edukator
Free MemberFact is when it come to defending the GFA Biden wil take the Irish side.
Sides? Get real, there is no "side", there's defending the Good Friday Agreement or not. Upholding an international agreement isn't taking a side.
deadlydarcy
Free Member1997 felt great, but today feels a bit different. As much as I wanted the Tories out, and held them in contempt, it felt in now way like the kind of release that chucking Trump out. I feel envious of those that got to vote for Joe & Kamala and can party today.
I think Joe maybe needs to encourage the crowds to disperse tonight though. That would be the responsible thing to do – MAGAs aren’t going to like their noses being rubbed in it all weekend – as much fun as it is. Now would be the time to show the desire for unity.
97 felt a little bit like heading off in a new direction. 2020 feels a little bit like stopping your rusty drifting ship from sinking.
Still, nah, absolutely not- you can't stop behaving normally and sensibly and appropriately just in case it offends someone. And after all, what would be the result? "They say they've won but look, how could they have? Our crowds are bigger".
Maybe people will ask themselves that question, "which victory party would I rather go to".
Aw ****
Sides? Get real, there is no “side”, there’s defending the Good Friday Agreement or not. Defending an international agreement isn’t taking a side.
Exactly. Believe it or not, the GFA agreement benefits the UK as well as the ROI.
Cold War Steve 😀
https://twitter.com/coldwar_steve/status/1325113786295078914?s=21
kelvin
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I’ve just seen Biden say, in a clip on the BBC News channel, to a BBC correspondent trying to get his attention… “I’m Irish”.
I just hope that Biden remembers that where we are now is where America was until hours ago and we still have years (decades?) of pain to endure before our Biden day.
Basically leave our poor old Beeb alone.lol The Tories are already giving it enough grief.
Happy Biden Day guys and gals, I'm off to kip in a bit I think.
The world feels a little less alien tonight.👍
On the bright side, this was a big enough news day that our scumbag prime minister took the opportunity to u-turn on helping to feed low income kids. Proves once again what a **** he is but, it's still going to be welcome.
Much as I wanted a Biden win I can't help wondering how a man who is 13 years beyond the current UK retirement age can really be the best man available for the job ? I know that Trump is also in his seventies but surely both of these men are well past their physical and mental prime and they are competing for what must be , at least one of the most demanding and important jobs on the planet . Also , dare I suggest that they have less of a stake in the future than perhaps a forty year old president would .
I'm trying very hard to put cynicism aside tonight but I see the Democrats are already squabbling with centrists accusing the likes of AOC and Ilhan Omar of nearly handing Trump victory. I'm really hoping this is the beginning of the end of the culture war, and the fuel it provides the far right and opportunist populiists like Trump, but if we go back to centrist neoliberalism its only going to come back stronger and more extreme. The parallels with the early 20th century are still ringing alarm bells.
Bernie puts it much better than I ever could...
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1325221098003304453?s=20
Chaps/chapesses, just accept that our French correspondent will never accept he is wrong.
Mike Galsworthy is 100% correct.
Been posted by many, including me, that johnson has nowhere to go; he has no options; UK is a faded post-colonial power with little to offer to the wider world.
US election result will force that down johnson's throat; better that than him forcing anything down someone else's throat.
EU negotiations and US election result should make even the most hard of thinking understand the UK is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
Britannia is sinking beneath the waves.
centrist neoliberalism
Well, that’s what Biden is… a centrist politician. If centrist really means anything at all, other than “not waving a red flag or a black one” that is. He’s a left leaning politician that wants to run his country for all, and bring the public with him. And “neoliberalism” has never been followed by anyone. It’s a very lose term for what all modern western democracies now are… but in the 70s became redefined and used as a term for angry rebels to throw at everyone not sitting at their table… and use of it should have died out in the 80s. We’re all mixed economies, and we all trade with the rest of the world.
Sides? Get real, there is no “side”, there’s defending the Good Friday Agreement or not. Upholding an international agreement isn’t taking a side.
Well, in fairness, there is the BoDom 'f it lets just break it, it's inconvenient" side and there is the Irish and the rest of the world side, which is, it's an international agreement you don't just toss it out when you don't like it side.
Just because one side is reprehensible and wrong doesn't make it not a side.
a centrist politician
Fair enough but what I really mean is that the the label 'centrist' really just means pro-elite in todays political vernacular. I've no problem with representing everyone, and not takiing extreme positions. But the vast majority lose out in favour of a tiny few, and that's what needs to be corrected, whatever you call it. If the balance isn't tipped back in the favour of the vast majority then we'll have more Trumps, Johnsons, Putins, Bolsanaros, Orbans and worse. If Trump has served any purpose it's that he's a wake up call. We won't get another chance to resolve this peacefully.
Agreed.
what I really mean is that the the label ‘centrist’ really just means pro-elite in todays political vernacular.
No, that's not what "centrist" means at all.
On top of that, "elite" is just a general insult for anyone that the speaker doesn't like. Donald Trump was raised in an extremely wealthy family, sent to expensive schools, paid doctors to help him avoid the military draft, inherited a fortune, but his acolytes think he's not part of the "elite".
Pundits who called Arizona for Biden must be sweating a bit now.
Biden is only centerist in US terms. In europe he would be in the right wing parties. He may be a little left of our hard right tory party but he is to the right of people like the german Christian democrats
Sides? Get real, there is no “side”, there’s defending the Good Friday Agreement or not. Upholding an international agreement isn’t taking a side.
There are most definitely sides, and Biden will be on the side of defending the Good Friday against threats such as a hard border made by the other side: the current British government:
A major part of the Withdrawal agreement negotiation was the EU side defending Irish interests against the British side's threats to restore the hard border in one way or another.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/09/17/britains-brexit-drama-comes-washington/
If you can't be bothered to read all that here's Biden's quote:
We can’t allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit.
Any trade deal between the U.S. and U.K. must be contingent upon respect for the Agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period. https://t.co/Ecu9jPrcHL
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) September 16, 2020
https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1325331668010487808
https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1325335720253411329
georgia out to 10,195 (apparently largest recount shift was around 320)