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Any arboreal experts out there? (Someone who knows about trees, rather than someone who knows about other stuff and [i]lives [/i]in a tree...)

I'm trying to identify two trees in the garden - my guess is that they are both Ash trees but it's a poorly-educated guess. Leaves look like this:

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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8071771809/ ]DSC04125[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

Top one is from a young tree, bottom from a mature one. The leaves look the same to me, though the bark is different in appearance.

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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8071770115/ ]DSC04124[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

Undersides.

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Posted : 09/10/2012 7:42 pm
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To help identify it, cut a branch off and burn it.

Then it will definitely be ash.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:44 pm
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Mint


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:45 pm
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Groan... 😀


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:45 pm
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Beech.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:46 pm
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Stuart, there is a wee Collins tree identification book on amazon, really good.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:47 pm
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Yep.

They're definitely off a tree, alright.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:48 pm
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Are there serrations on the leaf edge? Even tiny ones?


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:49 pm
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No visible serrations, like with Beech leaves.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:53 pm
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Goat Willow/Pussy Willow?


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:55 pm
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If the leaves grow on either edge of the twig opposite each other it could be Ash.

This is a good site to identify a tree:[url= http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-5G2KV3 ]Forestry Commision[/url]


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:55 pm
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Does the tree have black buds and the branches a slightly upswept appearance? Are the leaves compound leaves (your leaves are actually leaflets - part of a bigger multi-leafed leaf)? Yes to those would suggest Ash.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:57 pm
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They look a bit like Grey Willow leaves, except for the serrations.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:58 pm
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Look like some variety of willow as druidh suggests.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:58 pm
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They're not ash, difficult to tell without the whole branch could be Beech or Elm, if the trunk of the tree has a smooth bark, the type folk carve their initials in easily then it's beech, elm has a rough trunk.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 7:59 pm
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They don't seem to be leaflets as suggested by grittyshaker, which rules Ash out.

Goat or Pussy Willow seems a good match though.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:01 pm
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Not beech or elm. That's for sure.

When druidh mentioned willow it chimed straight away.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:04 pm
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Certainly a willow as Druid says. How about a pic of the whole tree


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:10 pm
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Common ash or pussy willow?


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:15 pm
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Will get a pics of the trees and their bark tomorrow, Sharki.

Bit dark right now.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:18 pm
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Grey willow it aint.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:19 pm
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Beech


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:20 pm
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It's not; Ash, Chestnut or Horse Chestnut, Elm,(has serrated edges my mistake)Rowan, Sycamore,Oak, Poplar, or Willow (which has long thin leaves)which are all common trees to uk gardens, Beech does get used as a hedge as well, difficult to really tell without seeing the bark which is an instant give away. Other than that I don't know, my tree knowledge is the distant memories of a boy scout, could be just a shrub.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:28 pm
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Larch?


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:32 pm
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[img] [/img]

http://www.keele.ac.uk/arboretum/trees/species/goatwillow/


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:36 pm
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They are definitely not Beech trees. I could add FACT to this assertion to make it incontrovertible.

Pussy/Goat Willow is the most likely so far, but I'll need to get a good look at them in daylight to confirm.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 8:44 pm
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Lack of scale not helping.
Doesn't look like ash, cut enough down today.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 9:03 pm
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Looks like a salix to me, prob goat willow.


 
Posted : 09/10/2012 9:25 pm
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You need to post more pictures of the tree, including branch, trunk and complete tree.


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 10:30 am
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They look a bit like Prunus, the cherry family, to me. Does the bark on the main branches have rings around it, lighter in colour and raised?


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 10:45 am
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Looks like goat willow to me too..

Got one in my garden. Grows about 2m per year!! Comes in handy though as I collect all the 2m new growth sticks each year, save them in the shed and a year later have perfect dry fire starting material.


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 10:51 am
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I suspect one is a goat willow, one is an ash... Show leaves on a branch and some bark and that will help...


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 10:58 am
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If it ever stops raining, I'll get some more photos...


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 11:12 am
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looks like a willow to me, def not beech or ash or elm etc. Could be some kind of damson or gage type thing but not convinced.


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 11:31 am
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OK - here we go. Apologies for out-of-focus shots - it was pishin' doon.

Tree 1 - mature:

[url= http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8331/8093481674_ca648ac767_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8331/8093481674_ca648ac767_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8093481674/ ]tree1_whole[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

[url= http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8328/8093481356_6305ffcab4_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8328/8093481356_6305ffcab4_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8093481356/ ]tree1_bark2[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

[url= http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8335/8093475467_47e152fcd9_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8335/8093475467_47e152fcd9_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8093475467/ ]tree1_leaves[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

[url= http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8326/8093475347_631298c377_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8326/8093475347_631298c377_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8093475347/ ]tree1_bark[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

Tree 2 - young:

[url= http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8093481450_41fcce0835_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8093481450_41fcce0835_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8093481450/ ]tree2_bark[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

[url= http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8324/8093475731_42ffec842c_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8324/8093475731_42ffec842c_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8093475731/ ]tree2_leaves[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr

I'm fairly certain they are the same species - over to you guys...


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 11:53 am
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I'm a furniture maker and can identify timbers fairly well when in board material. Could you cut them both down and plane up a few boards, then I can help...


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 11:56 am
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Number 1. The larch. The larch.


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 11:57 am
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Definitely goat willow from the bigger pic


 
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Posted : 16/10/2012 12:02 pm
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I'm a furniture maker and can identify timbers fairly well when in board material. Could you cut them both down and plane up a few boards, then I can help...

Jeez - you lot are demanding! Right, that's the last I'm doing today...

[url= http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8472/8093519304_4a4f6522b6_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8472/8093519304_4a4f6522b6_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/8093519304/ ]DSC04200[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 12:06 pm
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gean wood


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 12:21 pm
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[url= http://www.pitreaviegolfclub.co.uk/hole-12-gean-wood-2 ]Gean Wood?[/url]


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 12:30 pm
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Is that wood infected with phytophthora ramorum? 😉


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 12:32 pm
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Don't think so. Anyway, It'll be going on the stove once it has dried out.


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 12:37 pm
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Stu - only joking 😉


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 12:44 pm
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I'd believe anything, me 😉

Anyway - thanks for all the input guys.

Goat Willow sounds entirely plausible, though I prefer its alternative moniker...


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 12:49 pm
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I'd go with willow pretty happily.

Willow species hybridise very readily, so there are loads and loads of intermediates out there, trying to identify one particular variety of willow is quite difficult.


 
Posted : 16/10/2012 1:34 pm