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Adrian Chiles has had to apologise - not for everything, just for a guest who made a joke about the recent Germanwings disaster.
I remember telling jokes about the Challenger disaster etc, and to be honest when I heard this joke I did s****, then felt very guilty.
So when is too soon for jokes about disasters? Are they ever okay?
Was it the knock knock one? I've heard that, and laughed, then felt guilty.
It never stops being inappropriate, there's a lot of faux indignation because people feel they should be indignant, but that wears off over time, and it becomes 'ok' to make fun of such events in most people's conscience. Rightly or wrongly.
Would you tell the joke to someone whose partner died in the Germanwings crash? Would you tell a Challenger joke to someone whose partner died in that disaster? I wouldn't, even 29 years on! But most people will either laugh or roll their eyes at a Challenger joke, but tell you a Germanwings one is inappropriate. That'll change!
That's the one. Yes, I think there's a decay period where it becomes okay to make the jokes. But partly also jokes work because they twist your understanding of something, I don't think they'd be funny too long after the event. Challenger jokes aren't especially funny any more - they're not intrinsically good jokes, they just were funny at the time.
I quite like them (inappropriate jokes) they demonstrate a roughened resilience to the horrors that life throws at folk. In a "if you didn't laugh, you'd cry" sort of way.
I'd imagine that the relatives of the Germanwings disaster would have a different perspective, but life goes on...y'know
I'd imagine that the relatives of the Germanwings disaster would have a different perspective, but life goes on...y'know
Some will, some probably won't!
Bit like disability innit, plenty of folk with a disability will take the piss out of said affliction. But if you tell a joke to a group of able bodied people some inevitably will tell you that it's not funny - they feel they should be offended.
Some years ago a close relative of mine committed suicide, I have joked about it previously with friends. However, only one friend has ever dared joke about it in my presence, I found it funny. If someone else told me they'd been in the same situation I wouldn't make a joke about it, not everyone has the same view after all!
Distasteful yes, but am now wondering what the joke is!
[url= http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/14/outraged-radio-listeners-slam-tory-peers-poor-taste-germanwings-joke-5150072/ ]Linked to avoid offence - scroll down a bit.[/url]
Bit like disability innit, plenty of folk with a disability will take the piss out of said affliction. But if you tell a joke to a group of able bodied people some inevitably will tell you that it's not funny - they feel they should be offended.
Yep ain't that the truth!
Brother got cerebral palsy and I have in the past done a number of years both paid and voluntary work for disability groups.
I have often make jokes about disabilities to both able bodied and disabled people. Its the able bodied people with no experience of working/dealing with or coming into contact with disabilities that are the first to take offence.
This is different to disaster jokes, where it is people with direct experience that will be the first to take offence.
Franky Boyle - Jane Goody joke.
Frankie Boyle has made a career of this stuff, the awkward thing with him is that it's basically not funny, it's just the offensive bit.
i followed njee20's link
i was expecting a little more than that.
it has to be funny to be a joke - nope
it doesnt even manage to follow the long established knock knock protocol
still.
did i tell you the one about the wall
>you might not get over it
if someone off here died - how long would you wait before making a joke about it? presuming there was a reasonable joke to be made.
If I died in a very amusing and embarrassing way, frankly I'd be disappointed if people weren't taking the piss withing 24 hours.
FWIW that's not particularly funny, but sometimes people deal and cope with grief by saying, or doing inappropriate things.
Richard Herring tells a great story, he'd just found out his granddad had died, and his flatmate didn't know what to say, so he said "I am delighted your granddad has died". still cracks me up when i hear him tell it
There's a news media aspect to all of this. The total coverage of an event like the recent plane crash, or Diana's death etc means it becomes part of everyone's life when in reality it affects virtually none of us. Sure we feel sadness or empathy with the victims and their families but once it stops being news it's off our radar and stops being a part of our lives in any way.
I don't find that particular joke funny, but only because it's not funny to me. It doesn't offend me in the slightest.
Need Another Seven Astronaughts is still a classic but I suppose they knew the risks or strapping yourself to a rocket where as the passengers on the plane were entirely innocent collateral damage to the actions of one sad individual....much more tragic. The joke is funny because of the fact it's a crappy one liner vs the enormity of the tragedy.
I have often make jokes about disabilities to both able bodied and disabled people. Its the able bodied people with no experience of working/dealing with or coming into contact with disabilities that are the first to take offence.
This is not my experience is the same true for racist and sexist jokes?
IMHO it also depends on who tells the joke Jimmy carr or Frankie Boyle will get way with a near the bone race based joke that clarksons, farage or Jim Davidson wont
Those sort of jokes only really work if you are certain the person does not mean it.