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No, it is not a cycle path or a shared use path. It is a footpath and part of the Dales Way. And anyway, where did you expect me to go with a double pushchair? Off the metalled path and into the muddy verge so you could stay on the footpath yourself and not muddy the wheels of your everso new bike?
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Moron.
Ohh. Sombody's got out of the wrong side of the bed today. 😉
Well I have been up half the night with the girls and I was desperately trying to get them to sleep yesterday too when this idiot decided to ride at the pushchair because he felt I should move for him.
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Time to fit guns to the pushchair.
And I really wish he had come back for a 'discussion' because I know all the paths and bridleways like the back of my hand around there and I know there are bridleways that run through the woods further up towards Otley Road (although no shared use footpaths) and would have relished the opportunity to educate him.
At the end of the day I have no problem with people riding there (a guy and his daughter had just ridden past), but this guy was expecting me to pull out of the way for him.
We took Sam and our neighbour's 6 month old out in the trailer yesterday and we did sneak one footpath but all the walkers hearts were suitably softened by two bundles of joy being towed along behind.
Ones things for sure, he certainly won't do it again now that you've complained about it on the internet.
Ones things for sure, he certainly won't do it again now that you've complained about it on the internet.
Well I was kinda hoping that this sack of monkey piss might just be a visitor to this site. As I said, it wasn't his use of the path that bothered me, it was his attitude that someone with a pushchair should give way to him. And that, coupled with his ignorance of the status of the RoW pissed me off.
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has the OP never ridden on a footpath?
still i agree discurtesy of the rider in question is unforgivable
[i]And I really wish he had come back for a 'discussion' because I know all the paths and bridleways like the back of my hand around there and I know there are bridleways that run through the woods further up towards Otley Road (although no shared use footpaths) and would have relished the opportunity to educate him[/i]
What would this education consist of, bearing in mind that it's not against the law to ride on footpaths?
And didn't you have a hissy fit in the past when you were cycling down a 'footpath' and got pushed off it by a walker?
What would this education consist of, bearing in mind that it's not against the law to ride on footpaths?
Ian - please read the thread before replying...
At the end of the day I have no problem with people riding there (a guy and his daughter had just ridden past), but this guy was expecting me to pull out of the way for him.
As I said, it wasn't his use of the path that bothered me, it was his attitude that someone with a pushchair should give way to him
And to answer this...
And didn't you have a hissy fit in the past when you were cycling down a 'footpath' and got pushed off it by a walker?
Yes I did, but I was riding courteously and had pulled right to the side and was riding at a dead slow pace so the walker could walk by without hindrance but he deliberately side-stepped and shoulder barged me off at the last minute.
Does that clear things up for you?
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it was his attitude that someone with a pushchair should give way to him. And that, coupled with his ignorance of the status of the RoW pissed me off.
middle class new parents are way funnier than they ever realise! 😆
it was his attitude that someone with a pushchair should give way to him
Heaven forfend. There's just nobody as self-righteous as a parent shoving their kids about in a buggy, is there?
Mastiles is on fine form this morning! Leave the thread alone and have a cup of coffee. They may sleep through tonight. 😉
Well there you go Ian - the original post I made about my riding on a footpath backs up what I just said above about that incident.
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Some of you don't have kids. Ergo, you'll just never understand.
They may sleep through tonight.
Who knows? Both with bacterial and viral infections, one just finished a third course of antibiotics, the other on her second course. One just spent a night in hospital due to worries over her breathing.
Perhaps Sunday afternoon wasn't a good time to come across Cock Central on his new bike.
Some of you don't have kids. Ergo, you'll just never understand.
I don't really think the kids thing is actually all that important - what would he have done if he came up to someone in a wheelchair? Or a horse rider? Or a 7ft rugby player with a pack of Alsations? It was just his attitude that bugged me - he *thought* it was a cycle path so seemed to be under the impression that it meant that I should have given way to him on his bike.
Was he dressed in the archetypal weekend warroir attire of black Endura riding his 3k 6inch travel bling thing to show off to the normal folk?
Was he dressed in the archetypal weekend warroir attire of black Endura riding his 3k 6inch travel bling thing to show off to the normal folk?
Sort of - all nice new kit and a new cross bike. Perhaps if he had a 6 inch travel bike he could have risked dropping off the metalled path and onto the grassy/muddy verge if he really had to. Although the guy who came by seconds before with his daughter (who had clearly only just mastered riding) managed to stay on the path as there was ample room. And I had done exactly the same for them - slowed down slightly, pulled as far to one side as I could without dropping the pram off the side (didn't want to wake the girls obviously) and kept to my line so the rider knew what I was doing. But for some reason that wasn't good enough for this guy - he wanted to go where I was. Really quite bizarre behaviour.
The Pine Woods is wikkid awsum.
He must have known it was you.
You want it both ways - priority when you are walking on a footpath but people to give way to you when you are cycling?
I don't have kids. I'll never understand.
People with double pushcahirs really annoy me. Ok so you've got TWO kids. Whoopdidoo. Get over it and stop showing off
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You want it both ways - priority when you are walking on a footpath but people to give way to you when you are cycling?
Err no. I haven't said that have I?
Just another case of someone thinking that the world should accomodate their every need as they have kids. Get over yourself!
When yo cycle on a footpath you want the walkers to make space for you. When youare walking you get cross with a cyclist doing exactly what you have done on the earlier thread.
You cannot have it both ways
When yo cycle on a footpath you want the walkers to make space for you.
But I didn't say that did I? Have a read.
Your dead right in my opinion Mastilles, I've been cycling for 35 years now and I've always held to the view that cars give way to cyclists and that cyclists give way to pedestrians. And I'm not some latter day luddite, I drive a big 4wd truck at work and it's my belief that the bigger and faster you are the more essential it is to drive (or cycle) courteously
I have read it MF and clearly you want your cake and to eat it.
Jeremy - to help clear things up for you seeing as you clearly haven't read either thread properly. When I ride on footpaths I slow, move over and let walkers past. On Sunday I also slowed, moved over and tried to let the cyclist past (and as said above, the little girl who had only just mastered cycling managed to get past us without problem).
I have read it MF and clearly you want your cake and to eat it.
So where have I said that I expect walkers to give way to me when I ride a bike on a footpath then?
I drive a big 4wd truck at work and it's my belief that the bigger and faster you are the more essential it is to drive (or cycle) courteously
a double buggy's larger than a CX bike but the CX bike is faster so maybe this guy was simply using your logic but too confused to work out what to do? 😛
it's more likely he saw MF moving over so continued on his journey oblivious to his anxieties.
Ignore TJ mastiles, I'm sure everyone else reading both threads can see that they're [i]wholly[/i] different- the only thing they have in common is evidencing your predisposition to get your knickers in a twist over something apparently trivial and then witter on about it on the internet. 😉
Crouch Potato - you are certainly not wrong there 😛
[i]And I really wish he had come back for a 'discussion' [/i]
Stick (or baby) through the spokes and he wouldn't have had a choice 🙂
So the OP was on a footpath and made enough room for the cyclist to pass (and an apparently inexperienced cyclist + daughter had managed to do so previously) but said biker got arsey.
Seems to me that the guy on the CX was the d*ck here.
Next case.
You're def in the right here MF. I'm of the opinion that when i'm on my bike i give way to cars and trucks and horses etc because they can hurt me, and i give way to people kids prams dogs etc because i can hurt them. I even give way to other cyclists - i'm just a nice kind of guy really lol.
the only thing they have in common is evidencing your predisposition to get your knickers in a twist over something apparently trivial and then witter on about it on the internet
and cynically use his children to induce sympathy from those who just understand.
what would have happened if you hadn't moved? was he going too fast to stop.
also, if you move out of the way for someone what do you expect them to do other than utilise the space you've kindly provided and ride past? stop for a debate?
I hate prams, they should be taxed, insured and MOT'd and made to use the roads
or make the babies walk, baby giraffes can do it
what would have happened if you hadn't moved? was he going too fast to stop.
He skidded at the last minute when he realised I wasn't going to move (wasn't really able to - our double buggy is like a tanker) then swerved onto the verge as he shouted at me.
baby giraffes can do it
Yeah, so can wildebeest - something like 10 seconds after birth. But then again, they have lions to contend with.
Lions in maternity wards then?
maybe in private wards
NHS might use feral cats or all those surplus Staffies in Battersea Dogs Home
I have a child and i consider ANYONE who trots out the "you don't have kids, you wouldn't understand" line incredibly patronising indeed.
Oh and FWIW i think MF is right to be annoyed, the fact that he was pushing a pram is largely irrelevant, the cyclist has no right just to force his way past, regardless of their supposed ROW.
probably been said already, but why don't people actually say something at the time rather venting from behind a keyboard?
probably been said already, but why don't people actually say something at the time rather venting from behind a keyboard?
I tried to call him back but he carried on riding as he shouted 'it's a shared use path'. I would happily have discussed it with him at the time.
The op is correct about this incident stop giving him a hard time
It's very difficult NOT to give MF a hard time tho.. not quite sure why tbh 🙂
our double buggy is like a tanker
Don't you have the very same giant pushme-pullyou thing that I saw in a shop and laughed at, wondering whoever would by such a gargantuan monstrosity? 😉
at it's not against the law to ride on footpaths?
But it is illegal to cycle on footpaths on all the legal sites I have looked at .Even pushing on one is a grey area
It's very difficult NOT to give MF a hard time tho.. not quite sure why tbh
I quite enjoy it - especially when dealing with certain forum members who make claims which they patently cannot back up and subsequently go quiet 😉
wondering whoever would by such a gargantuan monstrosity?
One with twins? 😉 (Everyone at the twins club we go to is impressed by it and it's flexibility from birth to 3 years old. Everyone with single babies thinks it is mentalist huge). Which it is.
Size, practicality and manoevrability not issues then?
You could get a Chariot bike trailer.. a dream with 2 kids in 🙂
Size, practicality and manoevrability not issues then?
Put it this way, it isn't exactly the easiest thing to use, but we wanted a travel system buggy and there are only two or three out there. We already have our eyes on a much smaller and easier to use unit for trips to the shops etc when they are a little bit older.
I am currently trying to sell the benefits of a multi-purpose offroad pushchair (walking/riding one with a bike adapter + it's own full wheel set) to my wife so we can do some riding / long walks this summer 🙂
Chariot is the bees knees mate, although expensive. Narrower than most double pushchairs, real working suspension, all sorts of supports for babies of all ages, and handles beautifully. Not cheap, mind 🙂
Not cheap, mind
What is when it comes to babies? 😕
Double buggies are pretty unweildy.
I do get suprised sometimes by the people walking three abreast on the pavement who appear to expect me to push babies into oncoming traffic rather than give me a tiny bit of room.
MF seems to have a reasonable point here, if on a bike I always go very slow when faced with kids/dogs/etc, it's good manners and common sense.
What is when it comes to babies?
Close baby sling - £50
Quinny Zap - £130
Bugaboo Chameleon - £700
Take your pick.
(And yes I know you have twins (as does everyone) that wasn't specifically aimed at you; I have little knowledge of twin strollers 🙂 )
(as does everyone
Sorry - repeating ourselves continually is a family trait. You should sit in a pub with me and my brother - by the end of the night it is like Groundhog Day.
baby giraffes can do itYeah, so can wildebeest - something like 10 seconds after birth. But then again, they have lions to contend with.
Thats because they have tiny brains and therfore can be born later in their development.
It might not be against the law but even on a bridleway a bike has to give way to horse/walker and the horse to the walker.mastiles_fanylion - Memberprobably been said already, but why don't people actually say something at the time rather venting from behind a keyboard?
I tried to call him back but he carried on riding as he shouted 'it's a shared use path'. I would happily have discussed it with him at the time.
Sorry - repeating ourselves continually is a family trait
Lol 🙂
To the cyclist riding an Orange hardtail along the same path this Sunday...
Hello - see, it is dead easy to get past when both parties consider the other.
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