[Closed] Tipping in Restuarnts - Wife Annoyed

on the flip side was once in a Pizza Express with my old man and the bill came to just under £50. I would normally leave a fiver no problem. however, he paid with 3x £20's so was expecting over a tenner in change. He said if they brought a ten pound note back in the change they could keep the lot but if its comes in shrapnel expecting us to leave half they can have none!

they got none! so I always keep an eye out for that kind of skulduggery nowadays...

What about traffic wardens? Out and about in all weathers, dealing with all manner of crap from the public. parking tickets should have a "service not included" tab encouraging you slap another 15% on the fine.

It makes perfect sense. If you choose not to understand, that's your perogative.

Really.

I think it means that the waiting staff will get than they would reasonably expect.

In what language does that sentence make sense ?

Slogo - is that Wetherspoons in Bolton?

Nah. Been in that one and they've got different coloured shorts (and also a deeper mahogany tan).

sbob - Member

You go out and eat a cheap meal which is made possible by the low wages paid to staff.
So you either spend more at a restaurant that pays its staff a liveable wage, or you are content to spend less knowing that the staff are supplementing your budget dining habits.

I take it you are happy also with the way uk plc indirectly subsidises amazon, tesco, sportsworld, wetherspoons and so on through the tax credit system. Only you are supposed to be more left that the lefties on here and all that...

Disclosure: i have had all manner of crap jobs as a young-un but never in pub, hotel or restaurant trade. I always tip in restaurants and taxis. And i share thm's discomfort at sharing a table with insufficient tipppers (also my in-laws!!)

Bigbutslimmerbloke, tipping of public officials is the mark of a second-world country. 🙂
"Great job, constable, i knew my speedo was more accurate than yours!" "Hey councillor, thanks for smoothing over my planning application. High-five!"

Why do you tip taxis? before I've even got in the car theres like £2.50 on the meter and its always the higher rate as its late. Even uber are starting to use the "surge" charge which is almost all the time.

binners - Member
Slogo - is that Wetherspoons in Bolton?

Its all very well smiling when you're working somewhere like that. But what about those waiting staff less fortunate?

actually they get treated like dirt, hit on and harassed by 80% of the people who go in there, but they get great tips.

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The real unfortunate staff are the ones who clean this up!

Really.

I think it means that the waiting staff will get[s]than[/s]what they would reasonably expect.

In what language does that sentence make sense ?

Happy?

Now that's settled, you can get back to asking me to justify things other people said.

I didn't say that.

I thought you had, but have checked and it was indeed someone else (responding to a question that was asked directly to you)

However, if you didn't at least agree with it, why did you respond to my post saying it was bollocks ?

This lofty self-satisfied righteousness also has the same sledgehammer effect on empathy and compassion too, so its a win/win

It's instructive that the righteousness materialises when it's financially advantageous...

I thought you had, but have checked and it was indeed someone else (responding to a question that was asked directly to you)

However, if you didn't at least agree with it, why did you respond to my post saying it was bollocks ?

I haven't said that anything's bollocks. Nor have I called anyone an idiot, or accused them of talking cobblers.

I'm beginning to build a picture of the sort of person who refuses to tip.

Would those that don't tip refuse one if offered, pointing out that the service is part of the cost of whatever it is they are selling/doing?

I always like to have a shared meal with tightwads, disguised as some kind of moral stance. Always a good way to wrap up the evening. I went to a family do recently, nice food, all paid for by the birthday girl. Still no bleeding tip forthcoming. Beggars belief...

What we need is a poll to work out if those who don't/won't tip are the selfsame people who micro-count the bill on a night out?

BTW doesn't Reservoir Dogs cover this with Mr Pink (I think he was quoted on Page 5 of this thread somewhere)

I'm beginning to build a picture of the sort of person who refuses to tip.

If that's the case, you may want to re read what I've posted, I think your data collection may be screwed.

Would those that don't tip refuse one if offered, pointing out that the service is part of the cost of whatever it is they are selling/doing?

Although it's not aimed at me, as I do tend to tip generally in restaurants, I've turned down plenty in the past, my pricing covered the work I was doing so there was no need for more, I always said that I appreciate the gesture but there was really no need.
I did accept some homemade marmalade a few times from one customer though, because it was bloody lovely.

Would those that don't tip refuse one if offered, pointing out that the service is part of the cost of whatever it is they are selling/doing?

Yes, because it is.

Except when it isn't.

Left wing my arse!
I've been described as a Thatcherite* and am way more left wing than the majority here.
Bunch of champagne socialists.

It's always "Won't somebody (else) help the poor person!"

never a truer word said on STW!

 

I rarely tip, normally just the change to the nearest note if I do

However last week I tipped a girl in Toby carvery a fiver on a sixteen quid bill, because she was genuinely the most enthusiastic and helpful waitress I've ever had, either that or she was Charlie fuelled - was thoroughly deserved.

Except when it isn't.

This is perfect, I'm ill in bed, Ransos, take a bow, you've cheered me up. 😆

What we need is a poll to work out if those who don't/won't tip are the selfsame people who micro-count the bill on a night out?

I don't think we really need a survey to know the answer to that one. That joyous feeling when the bill comes and someone (usually the one who nobody actually likes, who somehow managed to get themselves invited) gets their phone out, hits the calculator, and starts jotting down how many glasses of wine everyone had, and who had a side order of onion rings. Then starts counting out the exact change. Everyone loves people like that! Don't they? 😀

Ok what part of my job isnt covered by my wages/contract of employment?

Are you a waiter? If so, it's the part you would normally expect to receive as a tip.

Are you a waiter? If so, it's the part you would normally expect to receive as a tip.

It's all part of the price customers agree to pay. If the service is rubbish customers don't return so we are given a proper wage to include doing our jobs properly in the first place. If we then don't give good service we get the sack.

If a service charge is optional and not included in the up front price then so should be the service? If no one then used the service then what would an employee be getting paid for?

I'm not a waiter the rest of your statement is irrelevant as is your first reply seeing as you havnt a clue what I do for a living. No one in the customer service industry I work in expects to receive any part of their wages as a tip.

Well yes brains, I don't know what you do for a living, which is why I asked. You may not be aware, but waiters and waitresses expect to receive a tip. That is the convention in this country.

Your comment about "getting a proper wage" is more akin to the French system, where the service charge is itemised on your bill. I prefer it, but it's not what we have.

You are of course free to not leave a tip, thus ensuring that poorly-paid people end up being very poorly-paid people. Well done you!

I'm betting 'onion ring quibbler' too 😀

ransos - Member
Ok what part of my job isnt covered by my wages/contract of employment?

Are you a waiter? If so, it's the part you would normally expect to receive as a tip.

So which particular parts of a waiters job aren't covered by their hourly wage that the employer pays?

I definitely didn't have any of the garlic bread......

So which particular parts of a waiters job aren't covered by their hourly wage that the employer pays?

I knew you'd be the kind of guy who gets his calculator out when the bill arrives!

No bread? Unlikely

More like well done restaurant owners for perpetuating a system that enables them to pay lower wages to employees who, by the replies on this thread, are apparently happy to let it happen.

He had an extra topping on his pizza! They're extra.

I'm just saying as this process needs to be fair. Why should I be out of pocket.....

So which particular parts of a waiters job aren't covered by their hourly wage that the employer pays?

I knew you'd be the kind of guy who gets his calculator out when the bill arrives!

Well you were wrong about me not tipping, so I suppose it's no surprise that you are wrong about this too.

Here's an idea though, instead of looking daft by making really bad assumptions about me, how about answering the question?

More like well done restaurant owners for perpetuating a system that enables them to pay lower wages to employees who are apparently happy to let it happen.

I very much doubt they're happy about it, but like most low-waged people, have little power to change it.

Of course, if we lived in a society where waiting staff were valued, we'd all be happy to bung them a modest fee we could easily afford.

And the ribs were £1.25 more expensive than the other starters......

I just want to make sure that everyone pays the right amount of the bill, so that its fair

Why are you crying?

Well you were wrong about me not tipping, so I suppose it's no surprise that you are wrong about this too.

Here's an idea though, instead of looking daft by making really bad assumptions about me, how about answering the question?

Well you were wrong about me saying that you don't tip, because I didn't. Are you trying to set a record "for most number of times being wrong in a single thread"?

But anyway, being generous of spirit, I shall answer your question: waiting staff duties are not hypothecated.

Well, I was driving and that was definitely Pepsi not Diet Pepsi

Sorry? No, the cheese was a £2.50 supplement.

Ransos, you said directly to me.

I'm beginning to build a picture of the sort of person who refuses to tip.

Suppose that was just a general observation and not suggesting anything 🙄

Suppose that was just a general observation and not suggesting anything

You've been very useful actually: by advancing various arguments as to why people don't tip, it's confirmed what I suspected.

....confirmed what I expected

Which is ?

I didn't ask for bottled water either. But I suppose that'll be split on the bill too. A jug of tap water would have been fine. I would have said that, if we'd have been asked......

That is the convention in this country.

Which is ?

People will engage in any number of post-hoc rationalisations for being a bit tight. Cognitive dissonance, I think they call it.

No it isn't. Never has been and it's not now. It's a discretionary gift for good/excellent service to recognise that what you have recieved is worth more than the price on the menu/list.

"Convention" and "compulsion" are not synonyms. It is conventional to tip in restaurants unless there is a problem with the service, as a glance at any travel guide would tell you.