[Closed] Time for an anti PC rant!

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I was implying was that someone who insists on a hyperbolic fake reality probably has an agenda.

Fake people are dishonest? Insightful.

How do you know whether it's fake? That's the rub.

it's about national broadcasters making decisions to create or construct a false normal.

How is women playing sports abnormal? That's a nonsense, it's like arguing that because football is more popular they should never mention the rugby.

I wonder how many people are fans of women's football (or would be given the opportunity) compared to say Accrington Stanley? Which are you more likely to see on TV? And the OP isn't complaining about coverage but the fact that it's even being [i]mentioned.[/i] Sheesh, think about that.

Diversity is a [i]good[/i] thing. Football fandom in this country is like a cult, let's find out who won the show jumping and the mountain biking and get the UK ice hockey scores up there too.

Cougar - Moderator

it's about national broadcasters making decisions to create or construct a false normal.

How is women playing sports abnormal? That's a nonsense, it's like arguing that because football is more popular they should never mention the rugby.

C'mon Cougar, I wasn't sayin that women playing sport was abnormal, I was reffering to the op and his observation about women's football.

I wonder how many people are fans of women's football (or would be given the opportunity) compared to say Accrington Stanley? Which are you more likely to see on TV? And [b]the OP isn't complaining about coverage but the fact that it's even being mentioned. Sheesh, think about that.[/b]

Is the op complaining because it's being mentioned or the fact that it's being mentioned on national tv despite its relative obscurity? Let's not play dumb.

Diversity is a good thing.

Is it? Why? How much? From where? Asking for a friend.

Football fandom in this country is like a cult, let's find out who won the show jumping and the mountain biking and get the UK ice hockey scores up there too.

No, lets not.

Is the op complaining because it's being mentioned or the fact that it's being mentioned on national tv despite its relative obscurity? Let's not play dumb.

That's [i]precisely [/i]why it should be mentioned.

Have you seen Clare Balding's documentary When Football Banned Women? Offers a different perspective on the idea that women's football is playing catch up with the men's game.

Of course not. It was presented by Clare Balding.

As an aside, can we ban Educator until he actually pays for some stock images.

Same...old...names...posting...the...same...old...OPINIONS

Whereas you, glasgowdan, have put ... in your post. Bravo!

Of course not. It was presented by Clare Balding.

Care to explain, Jamie?

[quote=glasgowdan ]Same...old...names...posting...the...same...old...OPINIONS

Thankfully that sort of comment never ever happens ever [ Dont read the thread whatever you do ]

Care to explain, Jamie?

I presume he is not a big fan.

I did watch it, I thought it polemical and the arguments presented weren't entirely persuasive. Although the FA's attitude was unnecessarily inflexible.

Care to explain, Jamie?

I don't like Clare Balding as a presenter.

I am Mystic Meg

I have zero interest in wendyball, however, on the odd occasion when there’s been a game played by actual Wendy’s, I’ve really enjoyed watching a game played with skill and passion by people who aren’t a bunch of grossly overpaid primadonnas.
I also enjoy watching the women’s rugby, although I enjoy a good game of rugby regardless of the gender playing.
Any sport, played with real skill and absolute passion for it is worth watching, I really don’t care a damn about the gender.

If it was as simple as that, I don't believe you would have felt the need to mention it.
I mean, the post wasn't directed at you and you had noting constructive to say on the matter and the thread has nothing to do with Clare Balding.
But I'll let you keep up the pretence because I'm off to bed now.

Of I’m not mistaken, there was a combined rules series earlier in November which Australia won. Not sure how seriously it’s taken these days. I don’t follow t much - only hearing results on Twitter. I remember the first few times they did it properly - maybe back in the 80s? Crikey, it was proper murder-ball. The refs struggled to keep any kind of control. Again, IIRC, in those days you had one test in one code, one in the other and one combined. The single code tests were hilarious (to watch - a different matter for the players).

I think over the years, it’s been pretty even and closely contested.

But I'll let you keep up the pretence because I'm off to bed now.

I'm not sure you should go to bed while subversives like Jamie are around.

Is this like the conspiricy theory threads to identify all the nutter or just part of the STW Christmas Bingo

CountZero - Member
I have zero interest in wendyball,

Another rib gone, mefty. Worth it though for such a great laugh.

You have my sympathy, especially as you must have torn a hamstring when you leaped to your conclusions.

[quote=The Pilot ]But I'll let you keep up the pretence because I'm off to bed now.

That's not allowed

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Haha...some great posts on here! I need the 'that escalated quickly gif! 🙂

There does appear to be some confusion though, I like watching minority sport... lets face it MTB is exactly that, but you don't see it reported on BBC Sport reports. Its an entirely sexist process, that says you must have female sport regardless of its popularity.

Equality and sexism are not synonyms, you great roaster.

Cougar - Moderator

Is the op complaining because it's being mentioned or the fact that it's being mentioned on national tv despite its relative obscurity? Let's not play dumb.

That's precisely why it should be mentioned.

Cougar - Moderator

Equality and sexism are not synonyms, you great roaster.

So should all sports be treated equally in all facets of life? Should we categorise sports and sports broadcasting by how oppressed and marginalised the competitors are?

lets face it MTB is exactly that, but you don't see it reported on BBC Sport reports. Its an entirely sexist process, that says you must have female sport regardless of its popularity.

Thankfully I'm living somewhere where sport is well reported regardless and for who plays. The women's ashes series that has just finished sold bugger all tickets last time around, this year 30,000 were sold over the event its significant and your need to knock those events is sad. Reporting on them isn't sexism its the right thing to do.

mikewsmith - Member

There was a report on every wc dh on the BBC sport website this year. The BBC went off and did a segment with Rachel Atherton before hardline this year.

The website and the news are not comparable in terms of reach or the mechanism of delivery. The underlying issue is that a national broadcaster has a blatant political bias and they are making obvious fumbling attempts to manipulate opinion.

Like it or not, a society needs liberalism and conservatism to function. There needs to be balance. When you piss down people's backs and tell them it's raining you alienate them - if you alienate them you drive them elsewhere. The left has decided that political correctness is a sacred cow and anyone who violates this will be attacked. Instead of debate we've got slurs - ie the OP here being labeled ape, neanderthal and compared to Harvey Weinstein, (oh and I'm odious with mental health issues) for questioning the broadcaster. Believe it or not this is not the way to change minds and engage in debate, instead it just makes people double down.

The fact that the BBC are shoving "news" about fringe sports because they feature women is just a transparent move, especially through the lens of an mma fan - one of the biggest sports in the world which they barely acknowledge even exists. Oh and one that had a British World Champion up until three weeks ago, oh and one where women headline massive international shows watched by millions, oh and a sport where the bantamweight champion is an openly gay women. Nothing to see there though.

^. lol

There needs to be balance

Luckily for you that 97%* of sport on TV looks like it always did since the [s]1970s[/s] living memory.

Sleep easy. Your 'balance' is intact. No-one is mugging you with images of women playing footie.

*figure pulled out of the air.

Malvern Rider - Member

^. lol.

Solid.

The underlying issue is that a national broadcaster has a blatant political bias

I don't think it's that they've decided arbitrarily that they're going to show or report on more women's' sport, but that they've a duty under their charter to demonstrate equality, which is what? under 30 seconds at most at the end of news segment in a broadcast day of 24 hours, it amounts to, I dunno; 3 minutes tops maybe? That's what the OP and you have your knickers in a collective twist about here. If that's "blatant political bias" then you need to have a word with yourself.

So should all sports be treated equally in all facets of life? Should we categorise sports and sports broadcasting by how oppressed and marginalised the competitors are?

That actually hurt my head. Is there a monolithic level of extreme cynicism one can reach that makes it easier to think that way? Not convinced I want to go there but hey. Whatever gets you through. But to my wooly head it sounds like this:

P1. Look, women on TV where there should be a man. Bloody PC gone mad.
P2. They're playing football
P1. Oh, [i]they[/i] only show it because [i]they[/i] love to think that poooor little women are [i]oppressed[/i]
P2. I think they are just giving more diverse coverage?
P1. [i]d i v e r s i t y[/i] it sounds so innocent doesn't it. But we know what it means. It means preferential treatment for the handicapped and the weaker sex. OTT coverage for people not deserving of it. It's the [i] l i b e r a l a g e n d a[/i]
P2. Wow, I never thought of it in that way.
P1. Then you are asleep. I shall now sally forth once more to do battle against this rising tide of despicable prejudice against males. What next? A black ginger gay kid on prime time TV because he came second at Scrabble?
P2. It was women playing football
P1. You liberals make me sick.
P2. Maybe you're looking at things in black and white, like, you know, cognitive bias/projection? All people can do that sometimes. The world isn't 'liberal vs conservative'
P1. Then why are liberals taking over the balance?
P2. The 'balance'?
P1. Yep.
P2. Er, sorry I'm lost, think you need to find a 'liberal' version of yourself to argue with.
P1. No way. They have cognitive bias. Not worth it.
P2. I completely agree.

Just saw this:

Is the op complaining because it's being mentioned or the fact that it's being mentioned on national tv despite its relative obscurity? Let's not play dumb.

That's precisely why it should be mentioned.

But, but then that's back to creating [b]false-normal[/b]?

But, but then that's back to creating false-normal?

Normal is normal. Anything else just isn't. Why can't you lefties see this? Trying to make it what it isn't!

And we're back to women playing football being abnormal. Disabled toilets are used by a small minority of the population, should we get rid of those too? Think of all the extra space we could give to "normal" people then.

It's not political correctness gorn mayd, it's promoting something which [i]deserves to be promoted[/i] for heaven's sake. The world isn't going to end because a reporter goes "oh yeah, the women are doing quite well too" at the end of a sport's report.

Ninja edit there, but I see you.

In years to come there will be hardly any women who were born women in top level womens sport, they will have been replaced with women who were born men.

That's a huge issue bubbling away right there. Let's see which set of rights trumps the other.

Jesus wept! I thought I'd heard it all but since the last contributor joined this thread, I am finally convinced that all of this matters not a jot because we as a civilisation (if that is not utterly the wrong word) are doomed.

Pilot what are your views on trans women competing in womens sports?

Oh, and jimjam, if you can point out exactly where it is in the thread that the OP is compared with HW and where it is suggested by anyone other than yourself that you have mental health problems, I'd be interested to see it.

Rene, I think they have every right to compete. No one is going to going through all the physical pain and emotional stress of gender reassignment just to be a successful athlete. Trans people need to be given the same rights as everyone else in society. And anyway, how many trans people are there? 1% of the population? Less than that. The numbers are so small that in any event it just doesn't matter. Let's not make trans people the next whipping boys of society.

Pilot what are your views on trans women competing in womens sports?

Or as they're more commonly known, women.

I think they should have all the rights to equality including the right to compete, just not as women. Sure they are a small percentage now, but year on year that will increase. At which point does it become an issue? 10%, 20%?

I'll let women decide what makes a woman a woman, they don't need men to decide for them. I suggest anyone claiming to be a feminist actually go have a discusion with some real feminists about transgender issues and how they impact women.

I thin they should have all the rights to equality including the right to compete, just not as women.

Why? They are women.

Sure they are a small percentage now, but year on year that will increase.

Will it? On what are you basing this prediction?

'll let women decide what makes a woman a woman, they don't need men to decide for them

Ah. Irony.

I suggest anyone claiming to be a feminist actually go have a discusion with some real feminists about transgender issues and how they impact women.

I already have, I know many.

I suggest you talk to some trans women.

Why? They are women.

Sure they are a small percentage now, but year on year that will increase. At which point does it become an issue? 10%, 20%?

Question stands.

The Pilot - Member

Oh, and jimjam, if you can point out exactly where it is in the thread that the OP is compared with Harvey Weinstein

The Pilot - Member

I'm guessing a number of contributors to this thread are trolls but, even if they are or are not, it serves to demonstrate why everybody from Harvey Weinstein to the slightly too touchy-feely guy at the office can get away with what they do.

The Pilot - Member

and where it is suggested by anyone other than yourself that you have mental health problems, I'd be interested to see it.

The Pilot - Member

Jimjam, I think you need to seek professional help.

Question stands.

Gender is only a societal construct anyway. apparently. It won't be long before you can choose which competition you can enter.