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That's sport out of the window then.... I am sure change will come, slower than many would like, but come it will.
'The devine right of kings asserts that a monarch is not accountable to an earthly authority (such as a parliament) because their right to rule is derived from divine authority. The monarch is thus not subject to the will of his people, of the aristocracy, or of any other estate of the realm. It implies that only divine authority can judge an unjust monarch and that any attempt to depose, dethrone or restrict their powers runs contrary to God's will and may constitute a sacrilegious act. It is often expressed in the phrase "by the Grace of God", attached to the titles of a reigning monarch; although this right does not make the monarch the same as a sacred king.'
Funny they're not mentioning that very much in the BBC coverage!? That Charlie was chosen by God & answers only to him! Gtf 😂
the majority of people who come to visit and holidayin the uk come because of the royal connection, nothing more.
This is the point where someone would put [citation needed] if that were on Wikipedia...
It's very difficult to split out those visiting places BECAUSE of the Royal connection and those visiting IN SPITE OF it and "the monarchy" extends to vast areas and a lot of buildings.
Would people still visit Buckingham Palace if it was not the Queen's / King's home?
People are there of their own free will.
This is the point at which "respect" and "tradition" cross over into fetishisation of the dead. The media are absolutely loving every second of it and are largely forcing it onto a mostly indifferent population but the London spectacle is just a necro-carnival now.
and our country without royalty and our royal history would be absolutely screwed.
the majority of people who come to visit and holidayin the uk come because of the royal connection, nothing more.
That's quite a claim. What's your evidence for it?
For example?
Whatever a person values and respects.
Freedom, community, friendship, wisdom, security, humour, family, democracy, nature, talent...whatever.
It shouldn't be manufactured by the state.
Particularly when it's the manufactured worship of aristocracy.
Would people still visit Buckingham Palace if it was not the Queen’s / King’s home?
well i visited because the queen lived there, not because i liked the building.
places like york, windsor, edinburgh and other places with royal connections. people come to the uk to visit such places.
Will they stop coming if that connection is purely historic? The history is fascinating, for sure, and our dearly departed Queen was indeed a link to that history. Not sure we need this King to rule over us for that history to retain its interest though. Maybe it’s time to live in the present, with an eye to the future, while always remembering our history.
regardless of what the sad deluded anti royal brigade believe and want, truth and reality is that our royal family is and will be always wanted and loved by the masses.
and our country without royalty and our royal history would be absolutely screwed.
the majority of people who come to visit and holidayin the uk come because of the royal connection, nothing more.
61% of Scots favour a republic and I would argue the vast majority of visitors to not just Scotland come for a myriad of other reasons.
61% of Scots favour a republic and I would argue the vast majority of visitors to not just Scotland come for a myriad of other reasons.
i reckon, but i may be wrong, that the largest amount of visitors to scotland are from abroad, and they visit edinburgh, stirling and balmoral and braemar.
Would people still visit Buckingham Palace if it was not the Queen’s / King’s home?
I would visit Palace of Versailles but definitely Not Trump Tower put it this way.
White house ... definitely Not interested even when power resides in them.
Wait until you hear about Versailles
FWIW the #1 reason for visiting Scotland is "Scenery and Landscape"
Wait until you hear about Versailles
Ghosts?
61% of Scots favour a republic and I would argue the vast majority of visitors to not just Scotland come for a myriad of other reasons.
I would love to know where you get your figures from:
Two polls, carried out last year by Focaldata and Opinium, asked if the monarchy should continue following the death of the Queen - or whether a republic should be created.
Both surveys found that 45 per cent of voters in Scotland were in favour of the monarchy continuing, 36 per cent for a republic, and 19 per cent didn't know or didn't back either option.
the majority of people who come to visit and holidayin the uk come because of the royal connection, nothing more.
I was impressed when I went to a do at Buckingham Palace as a 12 year old and my only reference was my parents 1960s built semi.
I’ve been to Versailles since - it makes Buck house look like a third rate outhouse. There are bus loads of tourists at Versailles, 200 years after they got rid of Louis, so I’d expect people will go to the various palaces. Did they expect the monarch to be serving the gift shop?
Re: Duchy of Cornwall
He’s said lots of stuff but the Duchy has remained firmly a de-facto fiefdom with tenants who are scared to do anything unless he sticks their rent up and subject to random inspections and decision by his Duchy staff?
Very much this. I have spoken to quite a few of his tenants on the Isles of Scilly, very few of those have a good word to say about their landlord.
Perhaps William may make changes.
I'm not proposing erasing the history of the royals just removing them from the constitution.
Recently done a job for a load of noble families in Germany... Load of counts and Fürsten with von in their names.
Bunch of inbreds.
places like york, windsor, edinburgh and other places with royal connections. people come to the uk to visit such places.
Hang on.... are you seriously trying to suggest that people come to York mainly ( or even slightly) because of Royal connections?
I'm dumbfounded...
Hang on…. are you seriously trying to suggest that people come to York mainly ( or even slightly) because of Royal connections?
I’m dumbfounded…
yes. i may be wrong but the 1000's of japanese, chinese and american visitors that the place is full of would probably agree too.
and i dont think any of these peoples had muchof a connection with the roman empire. but i may be wrong.
but i may be wrong.
+1
Low blow donald
and our country without royalty and our royal history would be absolutely screwed.
the majority of people who come to visit and holidayin the uk come because of the royal connection, nothing more.
Absolute nonsense
You specifically call out Edinburgh. I lived there for 20 years, never met one visitor who had come because of the royal history. I’m sure plenty do, but it’ll be one of many many reasons
I don’t really care either way about the monarchy tbf, but if we got rid of them tomorrow the history would very much still be there
Low blow donald
water of a ducks back teej.
i chose the right path without being guided mate.
You can’t compare Buck House, Windsor etc to Versailles. Of course it gets more visitors, it’s open to the public!
Open Buckingham Palace or Windsor & see what happens.
Anyway, I’d bet a pound to a pinch of shite that people who visit royal palaces/castles/buildings do so in in a vain hope they’ll see some royalty.
Sorry teej and ton
Was meant to be humourous
regardless of what the sad deluded anti royal brigade believe
Why the need to insult people you disagree with? Oh yeah...it's the internet com it's easy 😒
no worries mate. free accommodation is always a good thing.
Open Buckingham Palace or Windsor & see what happens.
We could if we didn't have a monarchy using them.
Oh yeah…it’s the internet com it’s easy 😒
lol.
yes. i may be wrong but the 1000’s of japanese, chinese and american visitors that the place is full of would probably agree too.
and i dont think any of these peoples had muchof a connection with the roman empire. but i may be wrong.
Vikings! That’s the best reason to visit York.
Downsize the monarchy, make Charles and Camilla live in a two bed terrace (spare room for visitors) and turn all the palaces, castles etc in to massive versions of York Dungeons. Full to the brim with lookalikes and re-enactments of Royal moments.
the majority of people who come to visit and holidayin the uk come because of the royal connection, nothing more.
Can you show your working out on that because it sounds like complete bollocks to me
well i visited because the queen lived there, not because i liked the building
Must be true then!!
lol
Great comeback 🙄
i find york good for beer.
A A i said i may be wrong. usually i am.
Did they expect the monarch to be serving the gift shop?
If you went to the Windsor Farm shop, then your expectations may have been met. Prince Philip used to serve in the butchers on a Sunday afternoon. And it was quite often, I believe.
As a resident, I can tell you that people don't come to Windsor for the shopping, restaurants or the Thames.
i find york good for beer.
Some great pubs in York. A friend went to uni there and there are a ton (ha) of nights out I can’t remember. That means they must’ve been great.
Regular visitor to York here, been for food, beer, museums, architecture, a ghost tour and even shopping. Never been there for any royal connection though.
Most of the American and Japanese visitors want to see the minster and the Shambles in my experience
I totally agree with ton.
Maybe the handful on here who don't quite get it need to just open their hearts a little? Or is it because they can't makes them feel somehow excluded? So feeling the need to lash out? I'mean no forelock tugger but I do reckon our monarch and the pageantry attached is the envy of most of the world.RIP Queenie and God Save the King.
A A i said i may be wrong. usually i am
So you just made it up because it fits what you want to say...well you carry on ranting fella, got any more "facts"?
This divine right of kings (and latterly) queens was one of the things that annoyed mass murderer Henry 8 as the Pope outranked him in terms of divinity.
Maybe the handful on here who don’t quite get it need to just open their hearts a little?
It's not that. She was just a celebrity I didn't follow, so whilst I thought she was a nice enough old lady I just don't care that much. It's not out of spite or resentment, I just have no deep feelings either way.
I do reckon our monarch and the pageantry attached is the envy of most of the world.
Well I reckon you are wrong so there!!!
Christ it's like a play ground in this thread.
i reckon he is spot on.
i reckon he is spot on.
Yeah, but you just make things up
Maybe the handful on here who don’t quite get it need to just open their hearts a little?
It’s not that I don’t quite get it. I think it’s utterly ludicrous. The whole thing since she died is like a massive comedy sketch. You could genuinely throw some crazy fake news stories about the Queen in to the mix and nobody would know the difference.
I find it fascinating to be honest. I’ve never held anybody I don’t actually know in high regard. Never mind to the point where I would queue for even half an hour to look at the coffin of a stranger. At the end of the day that’s what she is. We saw a public persona. No idea what she was like behind closed doors. Just a mentality I don’t understand but mesmerising to watch unfold
mass murderer Henry 8
That's a harsh way to describe the founder of the CofE
But fair.
i reckon he is spot on.
Yeah, but you just make things up
prove it
imnotverygood
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That was while she was bailing out her non sweaty son…you know; the thing we don’t mention now. But you are right, generally the average is that 55% of Scots don’t “want and love the royal family.” Surprisingly that isn’t SNP policy, although royalists seem to blame the SNP for Scottish apathy towards the monarchy.
prove it
Can't prove a negative
cop out. you are rubbish.
Ton and a_a sitting in a tree K I S S I N G
yeah, bored myself now. off for a hand shandy and a cup of green tea. night.
Well I reckon you are wrong so there!!!
Christ it’s like a play ground in this thread.
Certainly is
But you are right, generally the average is that 55% of Scots don’t “want and love the royal family.”
Or maybe 64% don’t want a republic
off for a hand shandy and a cup of green tea.
It's what she would have wanted.
I’ve been to Versailles since – it makes Buck house look like a third rate outhouse.
Buck palace is an odd fairly new building though. About the main appeal would be the art collection and would probably lose out as an attraction overall.
St. James and Kensington might be okay but have been heavily remodelled so maybe not.
The retired Tower of London, Kew and Hampton Court palaces are better as historical sites though.
Windsor would probably end up being a good attraction.
What's the royal connection with York? Marching men up andbd3own a hill? Whats that got to do with royalty?
What’s the royal connection with York?
Constantine was proclaimed there. Bit of a stretch though as connections to current royalty goes.
ton : regardless of what the sad deluded anti royal brigade believe and want, truth and reality is that our royal family is and will be always wanted and loved by the masses.
I stand proud to be considered a member of the sad deluded anti royal brigade by stw’s own forum royalty, can I get a flag to wave and a country estate? (or two), start by removing the royal family then work our way down the ranks of inherited entitlement throughout the UK then we can begin the work of reimagining our 400yr old political structures.
Yeah, good spin notverygood, you yourself posted the survey about 55% of Scots not wanting the monarchy, I am curious how that supports tons statement about ordinary people wanting and loving the royals?
One of us! One of us!
One of us! One of us!
On 26" wheels?! Nah.
Yeah, good spin notverygood, you yourself posted the survey about 55% of Scots not wanting the monarchy, I am curious how that supports tons statement about ordinary people wanting and loving the royals?
Well. One of us posted that Scotland wanted a Republic… despite the fact that more people support the monarchy than support a republic. Having a King is more popular than having the alternative. You seem to be taking the ‘don’t knows’ as being pro republic. There’s spin going on here sunshine but I don’t think it’s from me.
Here's a thought. Perhaps if the hundreds of thousands (maybe million plus) deluded souls paying their respects were to pop a quid each in a tin (metaphorically) would soothe the savage breast of tj et al as a donation to homeless charities or hospice care? Not too late to organise it I'd expect and some good would come out of it for all.
despite the fact that more people support the monarchy
So what would you file 55% of Scots not wanting the monarchy to continue under?( from YOUR survey😀) What’s the name for a country with no royal family again?
Doesn't the 55% include the undecideds?
However the poll, by the British Future thinktank, found that only 45% in Scotland said they wanted to retain the monarchy – with 36% saying the end of the Queen’s reign would be the right moment to move to a republic. Some 19% either rejected the choice, or said they didn’t know.
That's quite strangely worded though.
Personally, I would tax them; including inheritance and have a no more than immediate family rule. Just fed up listening to pish about them being universally loved and finally bit. Another thing the Europeans mostly manage so much better.
Duckman: Can we just do a simple maths test:
45% support the monarchy
36% support a republic
19% don't know.
Which is more popular: A monarchy or a republic?
Personally I'm tending towards agnostic about a monarch, but this thread is slowly driving me towards being a loyal subject notwithstanding the media barrage.
PS you still haven't shown me a poll which demonstrates any point at which 61% of scots favour a republic. I would still be interested to see it.
That’s quite strangely worded though
I agree. I don't really see what 'rejecting the choice means'. But if you don't have a monarchy then you have to have a republic, unless its Rangers supporters wanting an Empire or the wee frees looking for a theocracy.
I AM searching for it, it was before the big one in May,and was when paying Andrew’s damages came to light. I have been guilty of misreading that survey. However I stand by the point that even that doesn’t support tons claim about how people love the royal family. And as for tourism; Harry Potter probably brings more tourists to Edinburgh than the royal family.
I don’t really see what ‘rejecting the choice means’.
I presume it means they have an opinion but it isn't covered by retaining the monarchy or moving to a republic. Fascist Dictatorship perhaps?
I think "rejecting the choice" might mean ending the monarchy, but not automatically on the Queens death. In that case, the 19% would include those who wanted it to end before then and also those who wanted it to end at some future point, plus the "don't knows".
As a resident, I can tell you that people don’t come to Windsor for the shopping, restaurants or the Thames
Legoland
They moved Legoland onto the castle! Did the queen find out 😉. I’ve visited one of tho two and we used to get free entry to the castle, and I still couldn’t be bothered.
Legoland visitors tend to come in cars and get funnelled around the town or directed from the M3. You see a few of the shopping bags in town of an evening. I lived in the road next door for a year. Chucking out time is terrible.
Cinnamon cafe
You’ve been stalking me! Discount for residents if you know who to ask. The last remaining independent cafe. I’ve not seen a royal at the kiosk but it is their local.
Speaking of Scotland and the Monarchy 😲
No defending the chip shop owner but that sounds like a fairly terrifying bit of mob mentality going on there! Am actually curious if that was just a Muir of Ord thing (particularly unionist/Monarchist up there?) or if this could have happened anywhere.
Predictably the TripAdvisor page has been swamped with negative reviews, all of which fail the basic test of at least being a little bit funny 🙄
I think Charles will slip into the role nicely. There currently seems to be a glut of mineral rich dictatorships to send banquet invites out to.
Perhaps if we can negotiate an end to the Russia/Ukraine war he can have Putin over for tea and talks.
I assume the ERG cadre now in power will and have also done the same.
I have an idea to really gauge the support for royalty, based on the German church tax. We can have a voluntary extra 1% royal tax based on income, we could even skew it in their favour by making enrolment automatic so that republicans have to opt out.
If they really are so popular that should provide the budget for the country to be even more royal, while those that don't support them can at least be pleased that they are not forced to financially support their privilege.