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Perhaps it’s not just the daily mail straying into fantasy…
What's the point you are trying to make - that really Mrs Windsor hated Africans and went round shooting them, or something??
'..and of course Prince Charles or King Charles is well known for occasionally saying something vaguely resembling an opinion. John how do you think that will affect things...'
Never mind that jekyll. Have you found a good descent from Stanage, Froggatt or Curbar to the Derwent valley yet? 😉
And no configuration. Im afraid I've never hired bikes in marseilles.
Good luck though.
What’s the point you are trying to make – that really Mrs Windsor hated Africans and went round shooting them, or something??
Well, apparently her mum wasn't a fan of Africans, or them having independence from colonial rule:
...she reportedly told Woodrow Wyatt that she “had some reservations about Jews,” and her lady-in-waiting that “the Africans just don’t know how to govern themselves…what a pity we’re not still looking after them.”
Well, apparently her mum wasn’t a fan of Africans, or them having independence from colonial rule:
Oh I see, the BBC clip is "straying into fantasy" due to the fact that QE2 couldn't have liked Africans because her mother was a racist.
Well her first cousin was famously a Nazi sympathiser, so I guess that made her a Nazi sympathiser too.
You are right, the BBC never mentioned that.
#respect
https://twitter.com/jimmysdildoempo/status/1567967521415757825?s=46&t=cpgXwHsH366ZjOBbF-Yvqw
Her Majesty would have been touched by that.
William is formally Prince of Wales
I don't think so. The POW title needs to be given, it doesn't happen automatically. No doubt his maj will get round to it. Possibly after consulting various people. Then again, maybe there won't be a POW.
It's not over yet, the new king of Piel might make a move. I've saddled my pig just in case.
Yes, you guessed wrong, I haven't a clue.
Newsnight did a good piece using clips of her own words. The full historical context is bonkers really, isn’t it.
The world is literally overflowing with respect. So touching.
https://twitter.com/ichlugebullets/status/1568317330945343489?s=46&t=asFKLoHNi9EwbFUm4KpW-w
Even the drug dealers are doing their bit. A nation truly united!
https://twitter.com/nocontextscouse/status/1568194220992745476?s=46&t=Bu5-J-_WrnWu-Ed3yTs8Fg
Decent weed prices, ye got a number? 😆
101 or 999
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Lmao at dazh! So British, where do they get a inflatable london bus with a days notice.
From the Guardian
“With accession of Prince Charles to the throne, his eldest son has become the heir apparent, the Prince of Wales and the 25th Duke of Cornwall.
Along with this title, Prince William automatically inherits the Duchy of Cornwall, which has been an income stream for his father for more than half a century. This is thanks to the ownership of a landed estate of more than 52,000 hectares (128,000 acres), which also makes him one of England’s biggest landowners.”
Cool! Where do I sign up? I’d like the job of Duke of Cornwall!! I have A levels and a degree and can get my CV over tomorrow.
Sorry Scuttler it’s an internal vacancy.
frankconway
Name checks out. #TalkToFrank
“With accession of Prince Charles to the throne, his eldest son has become the heir apparent, the Prince of Wales and the 25th Duke of Cornwall.
Whenever I hear the title Prince of Wales, I always hear Blackadder's rather disparaging remarks on it...
Having read the speech and noticed the part I obviously didn't listen to (I was doing other things):
"As my Heir, William now assumes the Scottish titles which have meant so much to me.
"He succeeds me as Duke of Cornwall and takes on the responsibilities for the Duchy of Cornwall which I have undertaken for more than five decades.
"Today, I am proud to create him Prince of Wales, Tywysog Cymru, the country whose title I have been so greatly privileged to bear during so much of my life and duty.
So some of the titles passed to William automatically, but the POW required an act of "creation".
Obviously, the big question is what team will he support?
Along with this title, Prince William automatically inherits the Duchy of Cornwall, which has been an income stream for his father for more than half a century. This is thanks to the ownership of a landed estate of more than 52,000 hectares (128,000 acres), which also makes him one of England’s biggest landowners.”
Can you imagine the inheritance tax he SHOULD have to pay on that?
I’m amazed Putin has sent a message of condolence. We live in strange times
Can you imagine the inheritance tax he SHOULD have to pay on that?
Well, assuming Charlie lives another seven years, none.
Well, assuming Charlie lives another seven years, none.
I suspect it will be none even if he goes next week.
I thought the BBC might of eased back on this now but they are still doubling down.
Radio 4, 5 and local Radio still just full of pathetic stories about the Queen. Interviewing some small child about what she did at the Jubilee.
Even Mrs Gob, who is a bit of a Royalist, is sick of it now.
Where's the news about the war that we are fighting that means we are all getting fleeced for our energy and that BJ had to stay?
At least all the inheritance tax Charles has to pay will help towards the cost of living crisis.
Oh.
Not much sign of the infamous "balance" on the BBC then. If it's a rule for the likes of climate change then surely 50% of the coverage and comments should be from republicans.
We are subjects not citizens remember. No choice for us serfs
Yep, and by 'loyalty' they mean submission....very important when the system is in crisis.
Not much sign of the infamous “balance” on the BBC then. If it’s a rule for the likes of climate change then surely 50% of the coverage and comments should be from republicans.
…except for the fact that support for a republic is less than 25%
…except for the fact that support for a republic is less than 25%
Eh? Are you suggesting that 50% of economists were in favour of Brexit? We know that the BBC went out of its way to "balance" these discussions rather shan show where the majority view lay
…except for the fact that support for a republic is less than 25%
So it's not 0%?
Well, perhaps they feel that this is not the time for these discussions. The BBC has certainly discussed republicanism in the past and almost certainly will do so in the future. In any case isn’t social media the place for minority opinion to be given undue prominence? Certainly this particular echo chamber has ramped up the reverberance in the past few pages.
'This is not the time' Starmerite perchance?
So it's on the Beeb all day?
Just as well there's a thousand other channels to choose from then innit?
I'm off out on the bike, I'll take my phone & stream the coverage to my headphones, so I don't I miss anything.
Well, perhaps they feel that this is not the time for these discussions. The BBC has certainly discussed republicanism in the past and almost certainly will do so in the future.
Well yes I think that's the point - when a high profile person in the public eye dies convention doesn't require broadcasters to give time to those who think they were shit.
Edit: Since this is a direct attack on the BBC is there evidence that ITV is providing a better example? Genuine question, I'm not currently watching much telly.
Just a reminder:
obsequious
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obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree.
"they were served by obsequious waiters"
give time to those who think they were shit
You can pay your respects to someone who has recently died who performed well in a role for all our lifetimes, without then also blindly proclaiming and rejoicing that someone new is now “reigning over us” without a even a glimmer of reflection or discussion about whether we should accept that or change things.
Just as well there’s a thousand other channels to choose from then innit?
Not entirely true.
I want an update on current affairs and on a weekend I tend to follow the football.
I listen to a mix of BBC local radio, Talksport and Radio 5 for the football, which is not happening and all 3 of those stations are saturated with stories about the Queen.
For current affairs it's Radio 4 and LBC, both of which saturated with stories about the Queen.
There is a massive story breaking, of far more historical importance than the death of 1 person and the our public service broadcaster is not effectively covering this.
As Truss would say. Its. A. Disgrace.
There is a massive story breaking, of far more historical importance than the death of 1 person and the our public service broadcaster is not effectively covering this.
Because their ongoing coverage of Syria had been excellent since people got bored or found something else to be upset about.
The news isn't broken because of the death of 1 person it's broken because 99% of the population CGAS
Because their ongoing coverage of Syria
Brown people in the Middle East killing each other.
150,000 people die in road accidents in India each year. Are you sufficiently interested to read about that in the news each day?
blindly proclaiming and rejoicing that someone new is now “reigning over us”
You need to change your news sources fella. The only person that I am aware who is currently rejoicing is Nigel Farage:
https://mobile.twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1567931141730041862
You would have thought that Farage might have shown a little more respect for Her Majesty and the nation's sombre mood.
I’m listening and watching the BBC coverage. They are most definitely celebrating the new King’s accession and using the phrase “reigning over us”, with zero discussion about whether he should.
Anyway… something less serious…
If you want to read or hear about other stuff then there’s this wonderful thing called the Internet. Open your browser of choice and type a description of the thing you want to read about. Tis like magic!
The only place I’ve read anything about the Queen is this thread.
using the phrase “reigning over us”
Are you sure you haven't misheard and that they weren't in fact talking about the weather we've been having the last few days?
Anyway what's ITV's and other broadcasters position on the change of monarch? Or do you think that the BBC should be stepping out of line because that is what people want and expect?
'and we go over live now to the mall where some men with very shiny helmets are riding horses slowly in double file. Now John that reminds me that the Queen liked horses didn't she...,
Yes she did John, horses were very much a part of her daily life..'
Jeremy Corbyn notable by his absence at this ridiculous gathering of the British establishment. The one member of the privy council who could truly be described as a man of the people and they couldn’t bring themselves to invite him.
Jesus even the local news is just saturated with it. Want to know what is going on locally in your area here is the kings first speech. BBC really doing their duty there.
Mods, you'd be as well shutting this thread down
"Edit: Since this is a direct attack on the BBC is there evidence that ITV is providing a better example? Genuine question, I’m not currently watching much telly."
From what I've seen ITV News has been better, but that's been the case for a few years now.
@dazh - so what? Corbyn is irrelevant. The monarchy is an anachronism. Most people don't care
Would he have turned up anyway if he was in one of his Pissy Corbyn moods?
on a weekend I tend to follow the football.
Not this weekend.
Well, perhaps they feel that this is not the time for these discussions
When is then? I would have thought the moments after the death of a monarch were the perfect time to discuss such matters! If not now, when?
150,000 people die in road accidents in India each year. Are you sufficiently interested to read about that in the news each day?
Yes. Because I think such issues are of far more importance than countless accounts of 'the queen came to our village and smiled' type stuff. I want to learn about the world in which I live, to become better informed and more enlightened. The BBC has a duty, awarded by its Public Service Broadcasting charter, to 'inform, educate and entertain', and quite frankly, I see it doing very little of the first two things these days.
Fun to read the BBC's rules on impartiality:
"We must be inclusive, considering the broad perspective and ensuring that the existence of a range of views is appropriately reflected."
"We are committed to reflecting a wide range of subject matter and perspectives across our output as a whole and over an appropriate timeframe so that no significant strand of thought is under-represented or omitted."
"We must always scrutinise arguments, question consensus and hold power to account with consistency and due impartiality."
From what I’ve seen ITV News has been better, but that’s been the case for a few years now.
Well there's your answer. Sorted.
I commented earlier that the Tv's gone all North Korea so feel some of the pain that others are experiencing.
However, whatever your position, it's a form of entertainment that has gone on for a thousand years and is bigger than television, (which has been only been around for about 7O).
Mmm I can smell an afternoon of sedition in the air.
Mods, you’d be as well shutting this thread down
Why?
It is emtertainment, the coverage is not only in the UK, I just flicked through 8 channels showing QE2 tributes, in Germany.
and please don't start with the 'they are Germans' waffle.
Can we change Ernie's name to Ernie equilibrium. Always trying to find the balance. 😆
I know they need to play sombre music on the radio just now but I have turned it on twice and both times it was playing Dido, there is just no need for that
Elbows. Yeah I done that yesterday. Looking through all the other news channels. It's worldwide. Least in the English speaking channels. I watched a film instead. 😆
Mods, you’d be as well shutting this thread down
Why?
About to ask the exact same thing. I’m just seeing a friendly debate with a bit of humour. Some nasty shit a few pages back, but I think that’s gone. If you’re easily upset or offended then I’d suggest not being online. This place is like the middle class suburb of the Internet. Quite quaint and generally inoffensive. Very strange request of the mods.
I still think a separate thread would have been better but hey ho. Here we are. 😆
You can pay your respects to someone who has recently died who performed well in a role for all our lifetimes, without then also blindly proclaiming and rejoicing that someone new is now “reigning over us” without a even a glimmer of reflection or discussion about whether we should accept that or change things.
You may be able to, not me. I also think you have completely missed the point of Royalty.
I still think a separate thread would have been better but hey ho. Here we are
One for the sycophants, and one for the seditionists? But then you just get two echo chambers and no debate. 🤔
They should stick all the tv coverage onto one channel and call it Mourn Hub
They should stick all the tv coverage onto one channel and call it Mourn Hub
That would be a very challenging ****
Ah I found it ok
Didn't you get the memo, everything is on hold so there is nothing else to report.
Except of course it isnt, its not really a hardship to avoid the news for a week is it. Not having extensive coverage if other events won't kill you. There's still plenty of other stuff on the BBC News website.
Anyway this isn't limited for the Queen's death, the news does this every time there's a big event. Stop moaning and get on with your lives.
One way to avoid it is to head to Ireland for the week which I’ve done. Very little mention on my ride this morning and 2nd or third story in the news.
But I grew up in Britain so hard to ignore.
As a veggie I missed out on the legal Swan eating window
Stop moaning and get on with your lives
So; people should just suspend caring about what happens in the rest of the world, just because some other people say so? Hmm. A tad dictatorial wouldn't you say? What happens to free speech? What would your response be to someone telling you to 'stop mourning and get on with your life'?
Mourn Hub
This deserves greater coverage.
I think the monarchy has become a weakness of the British state.
As can be seen at the moment, the BBC plays a major role in maintaining support.
But that hold on people's attention is draining away - particularly for anyone under 50.
It's happening slowly and there are peaks and troughs but it's proving increasingly hard to maintain.
It's difficult at the best of times because presenting an aristocratic family as the symbol of a democratic nation is inherently strange and illogical.
I think the TV coverage shows this struggle. It feels desperate and increasingly out of sync with the views and attitudes of the public. It's pedalling harder and harder. And achieving less and less.
As can be seen at the moment, the BBC plays a major role in maintaining support.
So what about Sky, ITV & Channel 4. They are all pretty much doing the same thing.