Interesting posts on the local FB group about people getting ready for a civil war. The standard will be raised in Ilkeston!
Interesting posts on the local FB group about people getting ready for a civil war. The standard will be raised in Ilkeston!
I absolutely love the civil war chat from civvies, it properly tickles me. Same people who cry when the cops get a bit handsy, they're going to get very upset when they face coordinated and controlled uber-violence.
Also, war requires weapons, we have a sanitised firearm landscape, are they raiding B&Q to arm themselves? They'd give themselves away with pineapple vape clouds and the wheezing from walking too far.
I absolutely love the civil war chat
The very definition of impotent rage.
Can we do this again? This is what " civil war" would look like probably
https://imgur.com/gallery/brick-vs-racist-GCYGS4b#PJ509yg
I absolutely love the civil war chat from civvies, it properly tickles me
Whilst in some ways it is amusing as in how gravy team 6 deployed during the pandemic to combat - sorry whilst I check notes - how unfair it is not to get a haircut it is a problematic trend.
Even if you have experience of combat (which I am happy to say I dont) I dont think it really carries across to a civil war where, if we look at England with the last proper fight with the war of the three kingdoms (the dutch invasion being a surrender), families end up fighting each other with brother against brother, father against son. Sure there are some dysfunctional families which will go "and?" but for everyone else?
There does seem to be a deliberate attempt by some to try and stoke up disorder and as a fan of history it is always a tad concerning when that happens. There are countless times when it quietens down by itself but then again there are plenty where you go "HOW DIDN'T YOU SEE THIS YOU MUPPETS" with the benefit of hindsight.
There is a distinct group who talk loudly about patriotism whilst, in my opinion, doing all they can do undermine the social contract and cause conflict between different groups. A cursory look at the daily mail and its mix of "lefties hate the UK" and "lawless UK" are as about as confused as their "people perving" and their sidebar of shame.
Unfortunately you dont actually need to break out the weapons to cause massive disruption and in a JIT economy that isnt a good thing. If you are willing to sacrifice a few mouthbreathers by suggesting they walk into some local substations holding a carbon fishing pole then you could cause real damage very quickly.
There was a Private Eye section about how there are a bunch of people hyping the doom cycle whilst displaying their deep patriotism by living overseas.
Nah, I don't sweat it. A great many people in modern society are too coddled, comfortable and inherently selfish to organise themselves into a coherent problem.
Much like the actual military to organise any sort of resistance requires self-discipline and selflessness. The minute shit gets tough most people start infighting and the 'revolution' falls apart.
Civil unrest is not civil war.
I grabbed this pic from the TV during ITV's news highlights a few minutes ago. It's from a video hence 
a bit of blur.
Anyway...
What the video and pic show is a single pro immigration protestor calmly holding a sign saying, "all humanity is one" whilst being jeered by a surrounding pack of anti immigration protesters.
It's obviously in Wales but that's irrelevant. I found it quite chilling to watch but also humbling, that's true bravely on show right there.
(Not entirely sure why the protest was in an Iceland carpark but probably best not to attribute too much logic to things like this.)
Interesting posts on the local FB group about people getting ready for a civil war. The standard will be raised in Ilkeston!
Normally I’d say bring it on, I’ll knock their ****ing teeth out but from what I’ve seen of the racist dickheads I doubt they’ve got much of their own teeth between them all,
Civil unrest is not civil war.
I agree, and the idea of any standard being raised in Ilkeston is counterintuitive.
But I can see any unrest potentially being quite widespread, and quite disruptive and divisive.
There’s a pretty familiar divide over this.
I still have a real cross-section of people I went to school with on Friendface. This flag-shagging nonsense is just like a Brexit re-run.
The ones posting all the St George’s crosses and ‘save are kids’ stuff we’re never exactly the sharpest tools in the box and haven’t led the most productive of lives.
I do love it when you see these people interviewed on the news. Channel 4 did a piece from Sunderland last week. The irony of the toothless, neck-tattooed, tracksuited ‘Patriots’ sat outside their house, can of Stella in hand, midweek, mid-afternoon, moaning about how much immigrants iare costing ‘us’.
None of them really looked like they had been net contributors to the exchequer over their lifetimes
Somewhat predictably, the violence and death/rape threats have started from the ‘Patriots’ towards those they deem not to be patriotic enough…
But I can see any unrest potentially being quite widespread, and quite disruptive and divisive.
Nah, summer's nearly over and they're not too keen on rioting in the rain.
it starts with flags on lamp-posts (demarcating 'territory') and this is how it escalates, daubing homes with 'symbols'...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn43rxk0gdlo
First they came for….
Speak out now, wherever you encounter it.
Given the unrest and criminal damage, wonder when raise the colours will be proscribed a terrorist organisation.
Are getting something like this every summer now?
Are getting something like this every summer now?
Probably, summer holidays are long so people need to find something to keep them entertained.
Once it gets cold, wet and dark it's time to find something else to get angry about that doesn't involve being outside.
First they came for….
Speak out now, wherever you encounter it.
Absolutely this. The steady drip drip will embolden the indoctrinated and normalise it for the apathetic.
Somewhat predictably, the violence and death/rape threats have started from the ‘Patriots’ towards those they deem not to be patriotic enough…
In keeping with lots of other fine British people over the years...
Not like the white British population is exactly free of serial rapists, murderers, child abusers, terrorist organisations...
None of them really looked like they had been net contributors to the exchequer over their lifetimes
No, but the prospects are pretty poor for a lot of people in the UK. Is that their fault? We're all responsible for ourselves but we're not all in control of our lives either. There's a lot of reasons why people are angry at the system. That's what Farage and Jenrick etc prey on. They won't do anything to help Mr mid-day Stella though and the sooner he realises it the better. The problem is the current govt, the last govt, none of them did much for him either.
When businesses are run partly to provide a living for a wider section of society rather than mainly for the greed of a few and when the wealthiest (people and companies) pay a fair share of tax we might get somewhere. I think where the responsibility to fix all this lies is the same place as where the wealth and power is generated.
No, but the prospects are pretty poor for a lot of people in the UK. Is that their fault? We're all responsible for ourselves but we're not all in control of our lives either. There's a lot of reasons why people are angry at the system. That's what Farage and Jenrick etc prey on. They won't do anything to help Mr mid-day Stella though and the sooner he realises it the better. The problem is the current govt, the last govt, none of them did much for him either.
Agreed, I may disagree with all the easily led flagshaggers, but some of them are there through desperation as much as racism.
but some of them are there through desperation as much as racism.
Agreed but sadly they can't see that Reform are a bunch of charlatans who will do nothing to help them.
Oh and incidentally flag report... Out on the bike today only one flag on a street where I expected a bigger turnout and otherwise nothing. Well apart from my nice next door neighbour who is ex military and always has a discreet union flag on his gazebo in the back garden.
Agreed but sadly they can't see that Reform are a bunch of charlatans who will do nothing to help them
If they think they’ve got it bad now, then vote for Nige and see what they think if Reform actually gets in and immediately stops their benefits, forcing them into the shit jobs the immigrants used to do, then privatises the NHS.
There does seem to be a deliberate attempt by some to try and stoke up disorder
There is. It’s the ultra rich. Distract the stupid whilst they take control of the assets. Look who is behind the stoking. Non dom media owners, especially the mail but I’m sure there are other titles at it. Then you’ve got Nigel. The plaything of the ultra rich who will do and say anything to keep the money rolling in. Then you’ve have people like Andrew Neil and Ashcroft joining in from France and their tax haven of choice trying to pretend they care about the country they refuse to contribute towards. As ever just follow the money and work out who gains the most
Depressed to see defaced mini roundabouts and zebra crossings just down the road from my place, in a decidedly middle class area in a reasonably affluent university city. A couple of union style flags (ie not proper union flags at all) hanging off a motorway bridge that won't be there come Wednesday evening, one way or another. WTF.
Depressed to see defaced mini roundabouts and zebra crossings just down the road from my place, in a decidedly middle class area in a reasonably affluent university city. A couple of union style flags (ie not proper union flags at all) hanging off a motorway bridge that won't be there come Wednesday evening, one way or another. WTF.
I agree but I find them no more silly that all the rainbow crossing that have appeared in the last couple of years. I find them equally pointless and daft
I find them equally pointless and daft
Fair enough, but you do understand they are trying to do different things, yeah? Opposite things you could argue.
And also, did someone colour them in with a crayon or are they official LGBTQ+... zebra crossings done by or for the council?
As a graphic designer, the thing that offends me more than anything about all this flag nonsense is the complete absence of any straight lines and there’s not a right angle in sight.
You’re drawing two lines not painting the Sistine Chapel, you inept, visually illiterate muppets 🙄
As a graphic designer, the thing that offends me more than anything about all this flag nonsense is the complete absence of any straight lines and there’s not a right angle in sight.
You’re drawing two lines not painting the Sistine Chapel, you visually illiterate muppets
Nowt judicious use of masking tape couldn't fix. If you're going to do something, do it properly or not at all.
My sentiments exactly. It’s not complicated and only takes a minute. If you’re meant to have some pride in something, as you say you do, then at least make a proper job of it
There was an anti-immigration in Perth last week - apparently most of the protestors (about 150) were bussed in and there were about 250 counter protestors (predominantly locals). You’ll struggle to find some of these pertinent facts in much of the mainstream media.
Some flags (union jacks and George things) have appeared on the bridge near my house. Thing I noticed was they are plastic flags ziptied to the bridge. So basically, if nobody cuts them down, they will be a ****ing eyesore there forever.
I thought ( and was surprised ) that my small down had got away with it.
But no, much to my dismay a badly painted cross appeared on the mini roundabout that's right next to the war memorial. Someone clearly drove over it soon after it was painted.
It is just pathetic vandalism.
I expect a lot of cross over between people who kicked up a fuss about chalk being used on war memorials and people who now support vandalism of highway infrastructure.
It's happened here in Hastings too. Shitty painting attempt on a pedestrian crossing and a mini roundabout. Looks like they used red wood stain. At least make a template and use line marking paint or something. Lazy pricks.
and there’s not a right angle in sight.
Far right angle > right angle
I've not seen a single one around our way. Long may it continue.
Far right angle > right angle
Rated post
If you’re meant to have some pride in something, as you say you do, then at least make a proper job of it
Took some stuff to the tip and near there was some mini roundabouts that had been painted. To be fair it looked (driving so obviously didnt check in detail) a reasonably competent job. Proper width vs a single half arsed line of spray.
Just need to figure out how to make zebra crossings/cycle path markings a "patriotic" sign and then we could have do all the knackered ones round here.
Spray painting infrastructure is legally terrorism these days isn’t it? In fact, even showing support for it is terrorism. What a world we live in.
Quite a few on the curly wurly bridge in Ilkeston this morning. Feel sorry for Sam, their 40th birthday banner was a bit overshadowed
Saw my first piece this morning on way in to work. A mini roundabout in Newhaven Sainsbury has been transformed into glorious patriotic street art by the addition of a wobbly red cross. It looks like its been done by a toddler dragging a hairbrush.
Absolutely pathetic.
I do wonder how this will play out. Maybe it will galvanise far right fanatics but maybe it will alienate the middle? After all we tend not to go for that sort of thing historically.
Politicians and media need to stop pandering to Farage and start calling him out. He need a proper grilling to show he knows nothing, and his followers can start to question his bullshit. If he gets in at the next election, he'll know he's only got one term so will just do as much harm as he can. I don't actually know what his motives are. Is he just a straight up racist or is it just power and money and he'll prostitute himself out to the highest bidder?
He need a proper grilling to show he knows nothing, and his followers can start to question his bullshit.
Because that worked well with the Brexit remain campaign? So many people don't question, they just react. They get played like a fiddle.
Fix the cause not the symptom.
I don't actually know what his motives are. Is he just a straight up racist or is it just power and money and he'll prostitute himself out to the highest bidder?
As said earlier, he's backed by people who stay wealthy when the plebs fight among themselves (they include people who own newspapers so no hope of the media calling him out with any effect). He's in it for his own wealth and ego.
Because that worked well with the Brexit remain campaign? So many people don't question, they just react. They get played like a fiddle.
To be fair, Leave did not face a grilling prior to Brexit - they were given free reign to spout unchallenged nonsense.
^ I seem to remember that they were challenged, but not enough or effectively and that's kind of my point - they won't get a real grilling in any media that anyone who supports Reform reads, and any challenges they do have put to them are written off or side-stepped. There's too much noise and complexity in the debate and emotive reactionary soundbite populism is a far easier tool to use.
This is why I think Labour are so ineffective - they got in because we didn't want the Tories and they still think politics is about working through problems rationally and being centrist average. People aren't listening long enough for their policies to get anywhere and everything is polarised, there is no centrism that works. There is no socialist/humanist populism to counter the Trump/Farage/Bannon types. So we're into flags, symbolism, nationalism and patriotism and it's a ****g dangerous path to be on (again).
Interesting posts on the local FB group about people getting ready for a civil war.
There is a class war going on and most of us have been losing it since the 80s. Where is all the money? You, me and the flag wavers don't have it. It's all horded by the Barclay Brothers types and that's why the flag wavers are so pissed off. That's the more subtle war that's actually been happening while some vent frustrations talking about 'civil wars'.
There's a cause that could unite us all, if we ever came to our senses and got bored of all this left vs right BS.
There is a class war going on and most of us have been losing it since the 80s. Where is all the money? You, me and the flag wavers don't have it. It's all horded by the Barclay Brothers types and that's why the flag wavers are so pissed off.
Well they are picking the wrong people to champion their cause.
any challenges they do have put to them are written off or side-stepped
Any "challenge" from the media is just part of the "liberal elite narrative" and to be ignored. Any attempt to inject facts into the discussion is "talking down to people". Any attempt to show you're "listening to concerns" and then you're "all talk no action" (with a side order of the more liberally minded [guilty] complaining that you're feeding anti-immigrant feelings).
Any push back and they're ready with their easy answers... and those easy answers will become more inhumane as the country moves in their direction. We're already at "detain and deport without a right to apply for asylum", with years to go before an general election. They'll be talking about deporting a million people by the time we get to that election. And after the election, if Reform are in government in any form, it'll get more performative and more cruel. Just deporting won't be enough. Harsh treatment while doing so will be the next norm. And then they will turn on British Citizens that don't fit their own warped mold.
^ exactly.
Look at the USA now. That's where the UK could be in 2031. Trump, Farage - same thing.
Well they are picking the wrong people to champion their cause.
The distract and divide tactics work well, most people don't even realise what the cause is.
Perhaps if we were all less divided over flags or left/right or who can live where we might see that 99% of us have a common cause. Resolve that one and I think a lot of this other stuff would be far less prominent.
Any push back and they're ready with their easy answers... and those easy answers will become more inhumane as the country moves in their direction
There was a Reform councillor being interviewed on Five Live this morning. He was asked about deporting asylum seekers to countries like Afghanistan where they would face certain death as soon as they got back there.
His reply was to say that this isn’t our problem, it’s Afghanistans. Once we’ve put them on a plane, that’s where our obligation ends, according to him
asylum seekers to countries like Afghanistan
This group of people do deserve support, but it's not as straightforward as many think.
The terps are a no brainer, as are women and children, but any men stating they're former ANA & ANP* as part of their claim should be vetted quite rigorously. They're not the saints many would like them to believe they are.
*The exception being any of the SF units who were top drawer soldiers.
But Reform won't have thought to that level of nuance, they just want the poors and the browns out. Did you hear ihs idiot soloution to prison overcrowding? The Army makes some 'Nightingale Prisons'?
He is a temu DT.
The first case to make, that people don't seem to be, is that asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. It is not illegal to seek asylum.
Did you hear ihs idiot soloution to prison overcrowding? The Army makes some 'Nightingale Prisons'?
Like.. a detainment camp..? One that can move fast and not get bogged down with ECHR I expect.
F that
Ms. RM has been rinsing me today. I decided to pull out an old gorilla box and sort through it as I was looking for some old maps to get framed. I found loads of old velcro ID patches which have the Union Flag on. She said I should stick them on an old shirt and 'go hang out with your flag-mates'. 😂
Good job I like her.
I reckon there’s a film/book in that , sort of ‘Three kings’ , digging thru you stuff your find an old map and then assemble a crack team of oldies to sneak back to locate the long lost buried treasure.
Ms. RM has been rinsing me today. I decided to pull out an old gorilla box and sort through it as I was looking for some old maps to get framed. I found loads of old velcro ID patches which have the Union Flag on. She said I should stick them on an old shirt and 'go hang out with your flag-mates'. 😂
Good job I like her.I reckon there’s a film/book in that , sort of ‘Three kings’ , digging thru you stuff your find an old map and then assemble a crack team of oldies to sneak back to locate the long lost buried treasure.
It would most definitely be crack, but mostly just knees and backs mate.
Did you hear ihs idiot soloution to prison overcrowding? The Army makes some 'Nightingale Prisons'?
Like.. a detainment camp..? One that can move fast and not get bogged down with ECHR I expect.
F that
I would imagine that's exactly what he has in mind.
Did you hear ihs idiot soloution to prison overcrowding? The Army makes some 'Nightingale Prisons'?
Like.. a detainment camp..? One that can move fast and not get bogged down with ECHR I expect.
F that
Yep they’d be just like the nightingale hospitals with no actual staff/prisoners.
You want more prison places build more prisons and employ more staff 🙂
Look at the USA now. That's where the UK could be in 2031. Trump, Farage - same thing.
I fear so :-/
According to my nephew, whom I keep on my SM feed partly because he's family, but also because I need to remind myself that these people exist, he thinks trump is the best thing for America, farage will be the best thing for the UK, Boris was flawed but had good intentions and kept that Corbyn out and that patriotism is what is going on with the flag thing. All part of taking our country back.
His views were cemented by the riots in France when he was over watching the football. He saw lots of 'immigrants' and saw them behaving l'ike animals'. So thinks there are only subhumans chomping at the gates of the English border.
I don't think he's alone in this way of thinking. Though his so far is only expressed on SM and if I challenge some of the stupid stuff, he's not particularly confrontational, or has any backing to his thinking, it's very much led by media consumption.
I do get a bit concerned though, he regularly expresses his political stance on SM, and occasionally shares views about women being manipulative. He had a bad breakup years back and has not had a relationship since. He is also very likely on the spectrum and think he's ripe for radicalisation. But I don't know what to do with that information.
I do get a bit concerned though, he regularly expresses his political stance on SM, and occasionally shares views about women being manipulative. He had a bad breakup years back and has not had a relationship since. He is also very likely on the spectrum and think he's ripe for radicalisation. But I don't know what to do with that information.
If his family over there are aware of his posts/beliefs, then I don't think there is any more you can do other than try and counter his comments with facts. I fear that at this distance there is nothing more you can do.
Back briefly to Farage's thing today, (probably should be on his own thread but if the BBC give top priority to the rantings of the very minor leader of a very minority party, so will I) a former aide to Blair (god help us) pulled the proposed policy apart on 5Live Drive earlier. Farage was adamant that there were no exceptions, so as the guy said, a Christian fleeing persecution in Afghanistan would be returned without any process or consideration to the Taliban regardless of whether their life was in imminent danger.
He was also pointing out that taking human rights from anyone and doing away with any due process to detain, hold and deport anyone takes away the basic human rights that all Brits/Englishmen have had for centuries. I think that kind of argument* - if it ever got sufficient press coverage - would start to chip away at Farage's credibility with his supporters. It also makes it clear how the slide towards 1930s Germany type policies is on the thicker end of that wedge.
*Together with pointing out his appalling track record on voting against legislation to protect women and children.
I think the term you're looking for is concentration camp.
That was kinda the point yes, but it's not the same. Not wanting to equate it with what happened in WW2 as it would be undermining the severity of that period in Europe.
And also, did someone colour them in with a crayon or are they official LGBTQ+... zebra crossings done by or for the council?
why do we need them whether they are done by the council or not? It’s all about groups trying to assert their views and beliefs. Both are equally daft. I’m more than happy for people to hold their own beliefs but why one view painting the road is fine and one it’s wrong just makes matters worse
Like.. a detainment camp..?
I think the term you're looking for is concentration camp.
Now who’s joining in with the language of extremism. Are you suggesting that Australia have set up concentration camps for those seeking asylum? Or perhaps you think France has as well. Personally I don’t see what the problem is with detention centres. Anyone genuinely fearing persecution will know they are safe, fed, have access to healthcare whilst their claims are processed. Exactly what they came for. Economic illegal immigrants clearly won’t as they will find it harder to disappear into the grey economy
Both are equally daft. I’m more than happy for people to hold their own beliefs but why one view painting the road is fine and one it’s wrong just makes matters worse
One is being done illegally the other isn't.
One is being done to highlight discrimination, the other isn't.
One is being done to promote inequality, the other isn't.
One is being done neatly, the others look a ****ing mess.
I know which I prefer. You obviously have different views to me, oh well.
I think the term you're looking for is concentration camp.
That was kinda the point yes, but it's not the same. Not wanting to equate it with what happened in WW2 as it would be undermining the severity of that period in Europe.
Is now the time to point out that concentration camps were not the start of the crimes, they were the end of the process.
*Together with pointing out his appalling track record on voting against legislation to protect women and children.
Nazi chief Farrage also said today he would kick all the immigrants out by ...drum roll, disolving the human rights act.
Darn it, it was the thing about converting a mini roundabout cross to a dead kennedys logo
Outside the local Gym something has badly sprayed a Red Cross on the Hedgehog crossing sign and every other flat reflective sign, speed limits, arrows on the normal sized roundabout etc.
Seen a few flags about, don’t mind it. The Graffiti is just a bit shit tho.
I suspect kids, as I can’t see many ‘patriots’ going to the trouble of climbing the post with the Hedgehog sign on.
Looks like I’ve ruffled a few feathers on Reddit.
Some of my countrymen weren’t too fond of my comment.
The only place you’ll find true patriots is buried under Portland limestone.
Everyone else is just cosplaying.
Bless em, who knew they were so delicate.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8jev72wv1o
Another lovely bit of patriotic behaviour 🙄
Graffiti-ing a symbol of "British society" in the form of a Christian Church seems spectacularly off message.
Only got back home last night from my lads, looked after the grandkids for a few days whilst he and his OH were at a festival.
Sure enough the mini roundabout down the road has been painted.
Done fairly well, colour a decent red, evidently masked off before painting too. Lines were straight but again, let down by geometry with one of the red lines going off at a jaunty/non right angled, erm, angle.
So, bearing in mind it was done by a Reform voter, I'm giving it a solid 6 out of infinity+1.
Nowt here, but I do live north of the border in Galloway, I’m heading to Carlisle tomorrow which will be interesting
Is now the time to point out that concentration camps were not the start of the crimes, they were the end of the process.
That's a better way to make the point than my post, yes.
Is now the time to point out that concentration camps were not the start of the crimes, they were the end of the process.
And it took an alarmingly short time to progress to that.
One is done to make a minority feel welcome, and celebrate their inclusion. The other is done to make a minority feel unwelcome, and seek their exclusion.
Nicely put and an important distinction even leaving aside the legalities of who is allowed to paint and otherwise adorn public property.