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It’s racism designed to intimidate and provoke.
It’s not patriotism.
It needs to be called out on social media and in real life or they will move the Overton window so far right we won’t even notice when people are bounded out of their homes. It’s already started in Ireland, north and south and the Faragistes want that to happen in England.
My social media feed this morning seems to have lots of clips of flag carriers either being attacked or being arrested. No idea if the flag carrying is incidental or when these snippets were actually filmed.
Meanwhile, over in The Times and reported on the BBC, Farage wants mass deportations to prevent a breakdown in public order. Yeah, all those asylum seekers waving their flags and protesting menacingly....
I've complained to the BBC that they've given farage the headline that his deliberately decisive and borderline racist press release was designed for. Same as the reporting of the reform leader saying if people were upset at being unsafe around immigrant hotel areas the should protest.................................. peacefully.
I asked that they give the other minority parties in Westminster as much headline time.
I've complained to the BBC that they've given farage the headline that his deliberately decisive and borderline racist press release was designed for. Same as the reporting of the reform leader saying if people were upset at being unsafe around immigrant hotel areas the should protest.................................. peacefully.
I asked that they give the other minority parties in Westminster as much headline time.
It is nationalist (and thus 99% also racist) intimidation, plain and simple.
It is also pathetic. The mini roundabout one. They paint the national flag on there so they can drive their German/Italian/French/Foreign cars over it. What next? St George's flag doormat so they can show their love of England by wiping their feet on it? Morons.
It's like the blokey bloke who is worried he might actually be gay feeling the need to go on every ten seconds about how he's not gay.
Someone tried to celebratea roundabout being painted near us - someone replied it looked like a cheap hot cross bun, someone else said they'd owbneed a Philips screwdriver to remove the roundabout.
It's all whipping up idiots but there's a lot of push back as well.
It’s a bit ironic that the people who bang on the most about how proud they are to be English/British make the actual act of being English/British acutely embarrassing for the rest of us!
Meanwhile, over in The Times and reported on the BBC, Farage wants mass deportations to prevent a breakdown in public order. Yeah, all those asylum seekers waving their flags and protesting menacingly....
I’ve just read the Farage interview (so you don’t have to). In typical Farage style what he’s proposing is dispensing completely with due legal process and ordering mass detentions on arrival and forced mass deportations.
i don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound very ‘British’ to me. In fact, that sounds an awful lot like fascism.
As with all the rest of his so-called policy proposals though, they’re somewhat light on detail. Mass deportations to where exactly? He doesn’t say, other than a brief mention of Afghanistan and Eritrea. Aye, we’ll good luck with negotiating those flights with the Taliban Nige.
How does he propose over-riding the legal system to do so? Again… no specifics there either. The usual guff about withdrawing from the ECHR, but then he described the whole process as ‘simple and straightforward. I seem to recall him saying the same about Brexit and that went well, didn’t it?
Its all just more foghorn racism to appeal to not only the kind of toothless, six-fingered morons presently waving flags outside asylum centres, but with the Times interview, those reactionary bigots who like to be a bit more reserved about voicing their prejudices.
He’s hoping that though they’re not about to go and paint a mini-roundabout, they’ll be quite happy to vote Reform in the May local elections instead.
Robert Jenrick appears to be shamelessly chasing the same demographics, just not as cleverly. Farage is very good at disguising his nastiness behind a smile. Honest Bob, not so much.
Forget all the legal stuff, how's he proposing to actually return them without them being refused at the border? SBS in small boats throwing the returnees into the shallows in a secluded cove?
Anyone else seeing the irony of Reform councils bleating about the cost of having to repaint mini roundabouts and crossings bemoaning the acts of vandalism. Starting to reap what the sowed.
There’s a part of me that would absolutely love to see a Reform government with Nige as PM, just to watch them try to deliver this pie-in-the-sky nonsense they’re proposing.
Lets see how the ****-wits who voted for them react when it turns out that it’s quite a bit more difficult than just shouting ‘Send’em back!’
The interview about his proposals is laughable. Flying people to Ascension Island, 4,000 miles away, Rwanda (again), tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of people detained in some spare RAF bases they’ve got knocking around, withdrawing the UK from just about every international agreement.
It’s utterly ridiculous, but I’m sure the hard of thinking will lap it up.
There was one thing he got right. When asked about Kemi’s plan to reveal at the next Tory conference her plan to withdraw the UK from the ECHR, he replied ‘who? Nobody even knows who she is’ 😂
I know I shouldn't have but on various FB posts about flags I've asked the question "when does the book burning start?" along side a link to that scene in Indiana Jones and the last crusade.
It gets mixed reactions from lots of likes to "what book?" to a picture of a t shirt with " if this flag offends you, I'll help you pack" emblazoned over a union flag
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel
Boswell (This being a Johnson quip) always maintained that the actual line was "False Patriotism is the last refuge..." But then Johnson was also as scathing of the French; "France is worse than Scotland in everything but weather" as he was about the 'Scotch' [sic] "Knowledge is divided among the Scots, like bread in a besieged town, to every man a mouthful, to no man a bellyful."
So y'know, perhaps not the best to be quoting someone who was pretty scathing of the neighbours.
Saw a St. George flag painted on a mini-roundabout yesterday, given the area I saw it, it scans. Fast work though. Schools go back soon, folks will be back at work.
WTF is going on? I’ve woken up this morning and gone on a bike ride to find there are flags everywhere. Lamp posts, motorway bridges, gardens. The 🔔🔚 who lives opposite me has been out this morning (at 06:30 the coward) with a stepladder hanging one on the lamp post outside his house.
If i saw one of these flags I'd be checking it over for a "Made in China" label to photograph and share on all the FB threads
I see that daft Tory woman who was jailed for advocating burning Mosques is now referring to herself as a political prisoner.
Yes love, you're like this nations very own Nelson Mandella 🙄
She also said
"I think with Starmer he needs to practise what he preaches.
"He's a human rights lawyer, so maybe he needs to look at what people's human rights are; what freedom of speech means; and what the laws are in this country."
Yes dear, those laws are the ones that put you in prison.
This is just the shifting of the Overton window by the likes of Reform and the Mail. They are praying for mass riots along with the Tories of course.
Poopascoop - there was an article last week in that hotbed of leftie liberalism, the Times, saying its coming to something when the so-called party of law'n'order are literally wetting themselves with glee at the prospect of mass civil unrest and riots on the streets, which could put people lives in danger, not least those of the police officers trying to stop them.
Its par for the course with Farage and co, who are very adept at this kind of thing, having had years of experience of their Tommy Robinson in red jeans schtick. They always leave just enough ambiguity for plausable deniability. The Tories are relatively new to this proper far right thuggery and clearly aren't bright enough to know where the lines are. Honest Bob being the most obvious and also the most pathetic example of this.
I can't see their decision to throw in their lot with Mr Yaxley-Lennon being the vote winner they clearly think it is, though
I see that daft Tory woman who was jailed for advocating burning Mosques is now referring to herself as a political prisoner.
Yes love, you're like this nations very own Nelson Mandella 🙄
Strangely, all the unattractive men who were jailed for similar offences are not getting the same amount or type of coverage think 🤔
She's arranged a meeting with 'Trump Officials' (whoever they are) to discuss 'Freedom of Speech'
Thats her lined up with a nice little grift on the far right Merican nutjob circuit then.
I'm sure Liz Truss is out there trying to get herself arrested as we speak
The FB algorithms have just unwisely shown me a video put out by Honest Bob showing him putting up flags around his constituency and being applauded by his adoring public. I left a comment pointing out that a large part of the current issues were down to the Tory government he was part of.
Stopping in Newark on a century ride on Wednesday, if I see the guy I would happily lose my job and do time for punching his smug face. Better not wear a club jersey for that ride.
Reminds me of when there was some far right march going through a German village or town, when the inhabitants of said town sponsored the march to raise money for refugees.
edit, correction it wasn't for refugees,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/18/neo-nazis-tricked-into-raising-10000-for-charity
I also thought it was more recent, the turbulent events of the past 10 years feels like my life flashing before my eyes.
I left a comment pointing out that a large part of the current issues were down to the Tory government he was part of.
Didn't the hotel population of asylum seekers reach its peak when he was immigration minister? I'm pretty sure it did
Ah yes... a quick google brings up this....
He really is a piece of work isn't he, old Honest Bob?
I see that daft Tory woman who was jailed for advocating burning Mosques is now referring to herself as a political prisoner.
Yes love, you're like this nations very own Nelson Mandela
Someone in the dept of justice should have a private word with her. "You've been released early. Start showing some remorse by shutting your racist trap. Or I'll put you back behind bars you little tramp".
Strangely, all the unattractive men who were jailed for similar offences are not getting the same amount or type of coverage think 🤔
She's no oil painting either.
Nickc. The quote is from long before Johnson is it not?
Its as true today as it ever was. When your policies are shite shag a flag
Note the SNP position is very different as is the sentiment north of the border
https://www.snp.org/policy-area/immigration/
Or did i misunderstand and you dont mean Boris Johnson ? Oops
Just now got back from a glorious week in Scotland and thought I’d check this place out to ask wtf is going on with all the flags!
every other bridge over the M6 from Lancashire to the west mids has various UJ and SGC flags, including some reform ones, then at various points along a roads from M5 back home.
ffs let me go back to Scotland!
Whoever thought rural france isn't racist obviously doesn't live there!
Can I just signal my virtue whilst here?
The FB algorithms have just unwisely shown me a video put out by Honest Bob showing him putting up flags around his constituency and being applauded by his adoring public. I left a comment pointing out that a large part of the current issues were down to the Tory government he was part of.
Stopping in Newark on a century ride on Wednesday, if I see the guy I would happily lose my job and do time for punching his smug face. Better not wear a club jersey for that ride.
Actually, I might wear the club jersey in case I get to slap him. It's got the Union flag on one shoulder and the St George's cross on the other arm.
Protesters at the local asylum hotel were out number by the anti racist group
every other bridge over the M6 from Lancashire to the west mids has various UJ and SGC flags, including some reform ones, then at various points along a roads from M5 back home.
Is it possible to lower the value of a motorway bridge?
None round here, but we do live somewhere nice.
I suspect the correlation between number of flags and flat-roofed pubs / shithole area is strong.
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I suspect the correlation between number of flags and flat-roofed pubs / shithole area is strong.
I was thinking about the 3 former homes I had in areas now predicted to go to Reform, they're all affluent areas, 2 are top 10% for income, the 3rd top 20%, all rural, all way out of my ability to buy my own home. The 4th one not going to Reform is the poorest and by quite some margin, this one is urban, I always remember the neighbours smashing their lounge windows out (not in) for some ****ING reason.
just to watch them try to deliver this pie-in-the-sky nonsense they’re proposing.
that's it, it'll be berxit all over again :-/
anyway, flags, seeing those pictures on the news looked a lot like over here around the Twelfth...
for those interested, https://www.qub.ac.uk/schools/IrishStudiesGateway/Research/CurrentResearch/Flags-TowardsaNewUnderstanding/
Inequality has grown too much, public services are all getting worse, and immigration is a convenient scapegoat.
I think it's all going to get worse until the inequality is fixed.
Inequality has grown too much, public services are all getting worse, and immigration is a convenient scapegoat.
I think it's all going to get worse until the inequality is fixed.
Why try and fix it, and risk failing or being unpopular, when you can blame immigrants for your failure to do so?
With a can of red spray paint, and four quick flourishes, any already doctored roundabout could be transformed into a hearty welcome to our Georgian expat friends.
I was thinking about the 3 former homes I had in areas now predicted to go to Reform, they're all affluent areas, 2 are top 10% for income, the 3rd top 20%, all rural, all way out of my ability to buy my own home. The 4th one not going to Reform is the poorest and by quite some margin, this one is urban, I always remember the neighbours smashing their lounge windows out (not in) for some ****ING reason.
I'm calling bullshit on this.
Name the areas.
I was thinking about the 3 former homes I had in areas now predicted to go to Reform, they're all affluent areas, 2 are top 10% for income, the 3rd top 20%, all rural, all way out of my ability to buy my own home. The 4th one not going to Reform is the poorest and by quite some margin, this one is urban, I always remember the neighbours smashing their lounge windows out (not in) for some ****ING reason.
I'm calling bullshit on this.
Name the areas.
Predicted Reform Seats
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Norfolk%20North%20West
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Daventry
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Northamptonshire%20South
Predicted Labour Hold.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Sheffield%20Central
Prosperity index data taken from the Indexes of Multiple Deprivation, but I'm not giving you location data down to that narrow a level on a public space. Each constituency will have a range, but the IMD data zones I was living in are where I quoted the prosperity % from.
You can investigate the mapping I used here https://dclgapps.communities.gov.uk/imd/iod_index.html
celebrate St Alban, a proper English saint.
Or St Edmund for those of us in "The Mystic East".
Well fair enough, but what the data won't show is that Norfolk NW contains King's Lynn which isn't a great place, but doesn't have a large black/Asian population whilst Sheffield Central does. The rest of Norfolk NW will pull the prosperity number up. Sheffield Central is urban and far smaller.
I'm not sure what excuse the yokels around Daventry have, though?
For data on Kings Lynn see the above link. But.... That's not any worse than towns in my current constituency, nor the one before that (both Scottish). Although as mentioned up thread, Reform are tripling their vote share here despite TJs assurances things are different here, I'm way more concerned about where we are going. And they'll only need one or two Scottish seats to start grabbing regular headlines with click bait statements.
SIMD data here for reference https://simd.scot/#/simd2020/BTTTFTT/10.479015220364168/-3.2225/56.2674/
My anecdotal experience of Reform, or Reform narrative sympathetic voters in England. Is that flag shagging, or publicly expressed attitudes aren't always reliable indicators. I guess you'd call them Shy Reform Voters.
My anecdotal experience of Reform, or Reform narrative sympathetic voters in England. Is that flag shagging, or publicly expressed attitudes aren't always reliable indicators. I guess you'd call them Shy Reform Voters.
I agree. Do we honestly believe that a great many of the more obvious mouthbreathers actually get off their arse and go to the polling stations?
I'm not convinced.
piemonster - the polling I saw was around a doubling of the reform vote and them gaining a handful of seats all via list non in constituency votes for the next holyrood election- not a vast majority as predicted in england
Its far from perfect and we have our own bams - and the free publicity reform get is abhorrent and has an effect
My thesis is that the pro europe pro immigration policies of the SNP along with the calling out of the racists has its effect. There is another way possible rather than the pandering to the racists of the labour party and that other way as shown in Scotland works
Edit: I think ( but don't follow the detail) we can see the same effect in London which is a high immigrant area. Low reform vote and a political leader happy to call out the racists for being racist