[Closed] This Obesity Thing

Would you go running three times a week and restrict your calorific intake, or would you sit down a lot and eat lots of pies?

I can't/don't put on weight.

I can't/don't put on weight.

I suspect that you are as to pie consumption as binners is to salads.

She sees a lot of overweight and obese people in her clinic.

Her clients are not necessarily average members of society though. More likely extreme cases. What do you know? Not enough apparently 🙂

@molgrips....true on both counts! 🙂

mrmonkfinger - Member
Oh and whilst I'm in full rant. - Air travel, people should be charged by their all up weight, thereby facilitating those of us that work on keeping their weight in check, more baggage allowance for sporting equipment.
I'm 6'2", and you can piss off, cause my ticket will never cost the same as someone 5'2".

Well it does at the moment, and then you come, sit next to me, all your flab rolls into my side, I have to be polite, let you have the arm rests, ignore your sweaty armpits and you constantly breaking wind...

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Got any more of this hard data to offer up? 🙂

I suspect that you are as to pie consumption as binners is to salads.

93 mince pies in December. Reduced exercise. No weight gain.

I can switch my usual salad* lunches for pizza and chips from the student common room. No weight gain. I feel worse, but I'm not heavier.

*may contain sausage

Maybe your TDEE is higher than you'd estimated then.

grum I was being vague on purpose.

Must agree though it doesn't sound too convincing does it?

Maybe your TDEE is higher than you'd estimated then.

I've not estimated or counted calories; I Ate More and Moved Less.

Strava says I burn 1000 calories per week riding to work and back. A website calculator says my BMR is 1634 calories. So, I should be eating 1776 a day to maintain constant weight?

As for the laws of physics - I know a bloke, 5'11 9 stone, he can't put weight on no matter what he eats or does, even though he really wants to.

If the 'laws of physics' arguments held true, how could that be possible?

" I know a bloke, 5'11 9 stone, he can't put weight on no matter what he eats "

Ineffective digestion

Personally, I found the most effective way to control my weight has been to:

* substitute exercise time for snacking/tv/home time where possible

* have considerably smaller evening meals, mainly by avoiding cooking as cooking which tends to create too much food which I then feel the urge to consume. Very expensive, small gourmet ready-meals have been a godsend.

I still stuff my gob with cakes, crisps, chocolate, beer etc at other times. But they amount of calories they represent is small compared with meals so my output and input seem to balance. I've stuck at ~12st for a year now.

If the 'laws of physics' arguments held true, how could that be possible?

Either the 'laws of physics' are wrong, or you are.

I know where my money is.

Presumably the production of Foie gras is constantly interrupted by farmers who cannot understand why some geese do not respond?

I've just argued that ELMM is an oversimplification and is unhelpful for many people - I certainly find it far easier to lose weight by focussing on eating the right foods rather than on the quantity (or exercise).

So finally we all accept that to lose weight you have to have an energy imbalance/ eat the "right foods"

If the 'laws of physics' arguments held true, how could that be possible?

He's probably not eating enough.

So finally we all accept that to lose weight you have to have an energy imbalance

Nobody has ever argued otherwise (apart from possibly molgrips but he's special). 😕

We are all special and god's children Grum even the deniers

High basal metabolic rate. Inefficient digestion...

But if he ate more, he'd gain weight, regardless of his BMR or digestion efficiency? Unless his digestive system has a cap on the calories it can absorb?

Logging into MyFitnessPal for the first time in ages has reminded me what an awful system it is for anyone who actually cooks food.

As for the laws of physics - I know a bloke, 5'11 9 stone, he can't put weight on no matter what he eats or does, even though he really wants to.

If the 'laws of physics' arguments held true, how could that be possible?

Not lifting heavy enough/not eating enough calories or protein to help put on muscle?

Sorry, not read most of the thread, just skipped to the end.

Logging into MyFitnessPal for the first time in ages has reminded me what an awful system it is for anyone who actually cooks food.

Either that or you just guess, of course, but that seems to me to defeat the object.

I tend to find it tricky to gain weight (which I wanted to do, to help weightlifting efforts).

High basal rate and inefficient digestion.

I also get sweaty-hot after eating a big meal.

And then my appetite goes out the window for a good long while (which tends to me I'd naturally not eat any more calories, and end up balancing my input anyway).

If I force feed myself, I gain weight.

Phew, physics not broken.

But, a few things that make it difficult. Or, for fans of the expression ELMM, "it's complicated".

" I know a bloke, 5'11 9 stone, he can't put weight on no matter what he eats "

I knew several of those.

But I also saw what they referred to as "a lot of food".

It wasn't.

I tend to find it tricky to gain weight (which I wanted to do, to help weightlifting efforts).

I think you're just weak-minded and pathetic TBH. 😉

What would happen if only ate Bananas and Cheese then?

miketually - Member
Why not give it a try?

Been at it for an hour, fell a bit weird, but nothing has happened.

So finally we all accept that to lose weight you have to have an energy imbalance/ eat the "right foods"

In principal* 🙂 But you don't want to just lose weight. You want to lose body fat.So the "right" foods bit is particularly important.

*due to human physiology the energy consumed is variable and so the inbalance will change with time and or diet

But what are the right foods? I posted a question on this a few hours back but seems to have been skipped in arguments about straw men.

Before i did 5:2 I tried MFP based calorie counting, to stick to about 1500cals/day. In order to eat enough to fill yourself up, that generally means low sugar intake, high lean protein, lots of vegetable (not much fruit) and in general low fat. Sugar and refined carbs didn't leave me full for long enough, and are also far more calorie dense, so i didn't eat them often / very much of them.

Now I'm allowed a 'full' calorie intake on normal days i still tend to eat broadly the same, because I can then have good sized meals and still have some spare space that i tend to use for a few carbs as well. Is there a recommendation that i should be more inclined to include more fats rather than more carbs? And if so what sort of fats are considered good?

[edit] give me an example of a daily meal plan that you think would be ideal for say 2400cals and optimised with appropriate protein / good carbs / good fats, etc.

[i]Oh and whilst I'm in full rant. - Air travel, people should be charged by their all up weight, thereby facilitating those of us that work on keeping their weight in check, more baggage allowance for sporting equipment.
/Rant[/i]

Rant fail: airlines estimate each passenger at 100kg, so there's really no need to start weighing the passengers as overall they're a teeny part of the take off weight

Oh and whilst I'm in full rant. - Air travel, people should be charged by their all up weight, thereby facilitating those of us that work on keeping their weight in check, more baggage allowance for sporting equipment.
/Rant

Rant fail: airlines estimate each passenger at 100kg, so there's really no need to start weighing the passengers as overall they're a teeny part of the take off weight

And all that proves is I'm being overcharged for my svelte 70kgs..

theotherjony
I can't answer your question fully because I don't focus on calories ( I don't have the inclination to work out my calories consumed and I don't know how many calories I use on any given day or week with any accuracy)

My focus is simply around lowering carb intake, eliminating processed food and avoiding sugar. Thereby reducing insulin spikes and ensuring my body is not trying to store excess sugars

So yesterday as a very typical day

Breakfast Bacon and egg ( no of rashes and eggs not really an issue within reason) Plus green tea plus black coffee no sugar

Lunch Chicken, plus vegetable and salad.

Dinner. 2 fillets of salmon grilled with lemon, plus green beens, mange toute and cauliflower rice (flavoured and with peas added)

Water and green tea through the day evening and black coffee

Other days would be similar but variations- maybe home made chilli (with left overs for lunch) Brown rice a couple of times a week

Portion sizes would be a moderately full plate but not seconds.

The above generates a reasonable level of excess fat loss- say 1.5kg a week down to a point where body fat level is more than acceptable but without any noticeable feelings of being hungry and with enough carb intake ( through vegetables mainly) to allow me to train 6 days a week easily.

Not sure that helps

Either the 'laws of physics' are wrong, or you are.

Nope. It's your model that's wrong.

You are saying change in fat = calories eaten - exercise done.

It's actually moe like this:

fat stored = calorie eaten - calories pooed out - (work done in exercise * body efficiency(as a function of intensity)) - base metabolic energy consumption - energy cost of digesting food - energy cost of recovery from exercise(as a function of energy expended and intensity and anabolic hormones present which is in turn a function of lots of things including your age) + fat stored by insulin + fat stored by action of whatever that other fat storing hormone is I forget

I probably forgot some stuff and don't know about more stuff. So you can see that if you hold most of those constant you can indeed achieve a negative fat delta. But most of you have no idea what all those other value might be. I certainly don't.

negative fat delta

🙂

So finally we all accept that to lose weight you have to have an energy imbalance

Nobody has ever argued otherwise (apart from possibly molgrips but he's special

I haven't argued that. What I am trying to point out is that you do not know what the energy in really is, or what the energy out is.

And saying silly eat less is not always very helpful, because eating too little can have other negative side effects.

@sugarnaut: I hope you find some inner peace x

So, does this mean I must stop having honey on my porridge? No sweet stuff at all? No raisins or sultanas, dried figs, yummy dates (I ate a whole pack last year, gave me the sh1ts something chronic) or apples, or any fruit? (I get that cake and biscuits are bad, but I don't eat them often as I don't tolerate wheat very well). Chocolate, ye gods, I LOVE chocolate but I guess that's off the menu too. 🙁

Why on earth did I start reading this thread?

How depressing.

Don't start on the cheese, it does things to people 😯

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I like cheese

Me too, just not by the kilo

Karinofnine - Member

So, does this mean I must stop having honey on my porridge? No sweet stuff at all? No raisins or sultanas, dried figs, yummy dates (I ate a whole pack last year, gave me the sh1ts something chronic) or apples, or any fruit? (I get that cake and biscuits are bad, but I don't eat them often as I don't tolerate wheat very well). Chocolate, ye gods, I LOVE chocolate but I guess that's off the menu too.

Why on earth did I start reading this thread?

How depressing

Apples have a lower sugar content than many other fruits. Bananas are particularly carb dense- its about 25-30g of carbs for a medium banana.
If you need to sweeten your porridge then berries ( raspberries say would be a bit better) You will lose fat more quickly if you avoid them and feel less hungry ( in all probability). But its your choice as to whether you consume in moderation and perhaps slow fat loss slightly.
It also depends when as well. A banana 2 hours into a ride will be a good source of carbs (you will have depleted your glyclogen store)A banana before you ride would be bad

Don't see why the chap sat on the floor next to the vending machine needs directions to the plaggy bag with Cheez-IT in??

Cheers mike_ww. Not totally dissimilar to me, for example I had two poached eggs on a bagel this am, quality (ie not cheap shit, but equally not home made) spicy veg and bean soup plus a whole meal roll plus about 60g of Roquefort for lunch, and a scotch egg (guilty :oops:) and cauliflower rice with peas and sweetcorn and a bit of passata with fishcakes for tea.

According to mfp that's about 2200 cals so leaves a bit for milk in tea and coffee, but how's the mix for content?

Cheers mike_ww. Not totally dissimilar to me, for example I had two poached eggs on a bagel this am, quality (ie not cheap shit, but equally not home made) spicy veg and bean soup plus a whole meal roll plus about 60g of Roquefort for lunch, and a scotch egg (guilty :oops:) and cauliflower rice with peas and sweetcorn and a bit of passata with fishcakes for tea.

According to mfp that's about 2200 cals so leaves a bit for milk in tea and coffee, but how's the mix for content?

I am not a nutritionist. However its worth considering that the bagel will have about 50g of carbs so 1/3 of what you might be aiming for as your target daily intake( depending upon activity levels). Bacon has zero and will leave you feeling satisfied for longer. You could always try poached eggs on bacon and see what you think. That would be a gain of 350g of carbs over the week!You have another 25g of carbs in the wholemeal roll so switching that out for a side salad say with some chicken would be better. But look its not a bad diet or mix and if it works for you that's great

Not that I know what mine is, but I thought the RDA for carbs was 300 grams?