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Surely the right to a family life will prevent him from being deported?
He said he did not want to return to Australia as he did not feel comfortable living on Aboriginal land and that the country was still under the control of the Queen.
He really said that? Jesus wept.
what is the risk here exactly
To be totally honest, if he'd expressed remorse rather than grabbing his 15 mins of fame with both hands I'm willing to bet he'd have got off with a slap on the wrist. Or if he'd left prison and not tried for another 15 mins of fame with that gobshite statement about being happy to go to jail again willing to bet he wouldn't be facing a visa revocation.
He's no real risk to the UK at all really but he's so lacking in contrition it makes it hard to sympathise with his position.
I'm liking the idea of a "Giveashitometer"!
No sympathy for him, if you can't do the time etc. I doubt the Aussies would be worrying unduly if this was the other way round. He and his family will have to face up to the consequences of his own actions, which seems to be a social skill largely lost in current society.
If it seems disproportionate to other sentences, maybe we need to increase the other sentences.....
From an interview with him:
Oldfield says he believes so strongly in his cause that 'without a doubt' he is prepared to put himself in a situation where he may get sent back to prison –
Prison costs in the region of £41k per prisoner per year. Why would you continue to accommodate someone who is setting themselves up for this cost.
He obviously is not that fussed for his right to family life if he is prepared to get himself locked up again.
His cause is crap, his arguments disjointed and he is not going to change anything. Send him away.
Words not actions... Lots of people declare undying faith for a cause, relatively few have it. It is only my opinion but to me the right thing to do is to punish him proportionately for the offence he has committed, and then [i]if[/i] he reoffends punish him for that. Deportation of a proven serial offender is appropriate. Deportation of a loudmouthed tosser, I think maybe not.
If we deported anyone who said something foolish then this forum would be become very antipodean very quickly
*Marks Junkyard's card*
Let's send him home, along with his family, and then benchmark all other crimes and misdemeanours against it. Anyone on a visa committing a crime worse than interrupting two boat loads of posh kids going backwards whilst sitting down gets sent back home.
Binners for King. 😀
TO: Please can I come into your country and stay a while?
HMG: OK but you must promise to be a good boy!
TO: Yes Sir
a little while later..
TO: F***k you, you fascist elitist pigs, watch me make a massive public nuisance of myself with a useless but attention seeking stunt.
HMG: OK sonny, GTF out of our country.
TO: Oh that's so unfair........I hate you, you just dont understand me!
Anyone want to watch Trenton Oldfield speak and find out what sort of a guy he is? He was in Mark's taxi yesterday:
So Northwind, let me get this straight.
This guy is applying for a visa and so HE needs to prove to the country that he's going to be a good citizen.
He committed a crime, he's showing off about it, showed no remorse, he said he's going to do something again.
But you want to give him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't actually mean it?
We live in very different worlds!
awaits better weather on the coronation of King Binners 😉
hmanchester - MemberThis guy is applying for a visa and so HE needs to prove to the country that he's going to be a good citizen.
Peaceful political protest [i]is[/i] being a good citizen 😉
Now on the subject of visas... he's a Tier 1, presumably "exceptional talent", and he's been here for 10 years- he'd have been eligible to apply for permanent settlement and would most probably have been granted it. Which is odd frankly, and would have changed things a lot had he applied, but it does mean that talking like he's some economic migrant here on suffrance is a bit off.
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Surely the right to a family life will prevent him from being deported?
Not necessarily. The current UK law on spouse visas makes it clear that your human right to family does not apply in the context of visas (which I think, if someone had the balls to take their case to the European Court would be whipped off the law pretty sharpish and normal service would resume).
From that video, can anyone find this supposed request from some minister to the police to put him in the pokey. He said it was on Hansard but I can't find it
Also, that Artist taxi bloke is a ****. Suggesting he's being deported to Australia because that's where we used to send criminals... 🙄
Also, Trenton really does have some mental contortions in that interview. When he says he couldn't be part of an occupation of a place he wasn't from (i.e. white Europeans taking Australia from the aboriginal people), he then realises what he's just said about immigration and corrects himself and says that it's fine for any immigrants from anywhere else to live wherever they want (which it is). Either it's right or it's wrong mate, make a decision.
massive public nuisance
He interrupted a rowing race between two university's, he didn't bring London to a standstill in rush hour. He was a minor annoyance to a few people, nothing more.
Great video - what a complete crock!
@atlaz - it's in there, just beneath the UK's continued subjugation and pillaging of all her past colonies.(6:37) 🙄
rogerthecat - I mean I can't find it in Hansard.
I think the reason the punishment was so severe for the crime is to deter anyone else from doing the same, otherwise the boat race would become an expensive nightmare to run.
Think about it, the boat race must be the easiest and safest major sporting event to dispupt. You don't need a ticket and the perimeter of the playing field is enormous and difficult to police. Compare it to Wimbledon, the FA Cup, the Ashes or the Olympics. And it's considerably safer than throwing yourself under the King's horse.
If Joe Public realised this and saw you only got a slap on the wrist, every man and his dog would be at it.
minor annoyance to a few people
First if we just look at the competitors. Not the coaches, back up crews or any other people involved with the race. [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rowing/21862126 ]This "minor annoyance" was the wrecking of 1200 hours of hard work per head[/url] x 16 = 19,200 hours alone for the rowers.
When we can get past the fact that the boat race actually goes beyond the actual people rowing, it might suprise you that "in 2009, some 270,000 people watched the race live from the banks of the river, and in 2011 almost 17.2 million viewed the race on television"
Yes he interupted a rowing race, but the impact was big (which is what he wanted), hence the uproar. If he'd swam in front of a couple of crews as they were training the result would have been quite rightly different. But he didn't.
hmanchester - MemberThis "minor annoyance" was the wrecking of 1200 hours of hard work per head
Are you under the impression the race was called off, or something?
(did we deport all the Americans from the oxford mutiny, or the german who broke his oar in 2012, which is what decided the race?)
Are you under the impression the race was called off, or something?
Not called off
Wrecked
They put all this training in and then had everything completely thrown overboard. The race now became about keeping warm, recovery, and far more emphasis on stamina.
Imagine if you entered a XC race or half marathon for example and you were actively competing. The race was stopped halfway round by this guy, and you had to sit around on your bike for ages before starting the whole thing again. Would the competition be wrecked for you?
If I'd trained for that, I'd consider it wrecked, yes.
If I'd have lost I'd have wondered what if. If I'd have won, it would have been a little bit hollow.
Imagine if you entered a XC race or half marathon for example and you were actively competing. The race was stopped halfway round by this guy, and you had to sit around on your bike for ages before starting the whole thing again. Would the competition be wrecked for you?
No. You would just carry on as you were, the guys that were faster than you would still be faster and would win.
That's all right then. Let's give him a pat on the back instead.
The race is often interrupted and restarted, it is part of the event and it's something they prepare for. The better team won.
And yeah, I've had a race interrupted halfway through, and then restarted. It affected every entrant the same, and we carried on. Not wrecked at all.
Honestly, I wonder why some people have to make it into something worse than it was- I guess if you're not comfortable that the punishment fits the crime, you can build the crime up to be bigger? Next time he does it, it might be a child's face!
That's all right then.
Yes, it is.
Personally I couldn't give a chuff either way about the boat race- I'm monumentally uninterested in it, but deporting a man without a good reason and tearing a family apart is bad news bears.
I think the boat race would be greatly improved with the addition of torpedo's, and mines!
For the record I'm glad they are sending him home, ie to Australia. There is no need for his family to be torn apart as his wife and kid can join him there. This should be the start of a new policy.
There is no need for his family to be torn apart as his wife and kid can join him there.
Because it's soooo simple 🙄
I think the boat race would be greatly improved with the addition of torpedo's, and mines!
[i]everything[/i] is greatly improved with the addition of torpedoes and mines 😀
I have some similar ideas of how to make cricket more interesting.
Cricket is made more interesting by fancy dress and drinking as much as you can from 10 am onwards...i dont think armamaments would be a wise move tbh
always amazes me how many folk will self out themselves as heartlesss ****s.
However it is surprising to see them happy to rip families apart to satisfy this need in them to be ****s
Australia - where all the crooks were sent.
England - where all the crook came from
You dont s**t where you sleep and he said he would do it again - so he is prepared to put his wife and kids 'family life rights'.
Maybe you guys could have a protest about it, hold up the TdF maybe - I mean lets face it, as Wiggo said 'its only a bike race', i'm sure the French would see it that way and be really understanding.
Maybe you guys could have a protest about it, hold up the TdF maybe - I mean lets face it, as Wiggo said 'its only a bike race', i'm sure the French would see it that way and be really understanding.
Stop them half way up Alpe D'Huez. They'll be fine hanging around and then giving it another go apparently. Won't affect anything.
i dont think armamaments would be a wise move tbh
You may think so now, but have you considered EXPLODINGBALLS(tm) or MULTIBALL(tm) or GRENADEBALL(tm)?
Not quite so sure now, eh?
Maybe you guys could have a protest about it, hold up the TdF maybe - I mean lets face it, as Wiggo said 'its only a bike race', i'm sure the French would see it that way and be really understanding.
The French seem to quite actively engage in protests, I don't even think they ask permission from the authorities first, which might seem to be a rather quaint concept on the British side of the channel.
Frankly I would deport him on the basis of the ridiculous self-satisfied smirk he had as he was fished out of the Thames.
The French seem to quite actively engage in protests, I don't even think they ask permission from the authorities first, which might seem to be a rather quaint concept on the British side of the channel.
🙄 why am I not suprised....they are French after all, so suppose you have to make allowances. Let's face it, they cant even understand cricket, let alone knowing their place and only protesting where they dont cause a kerfuffle.
Junkyard - lazarus
always amazes me how many folk will self out themselves as heartlesss *.
However it is surprising to see them happy to rip families apart to satisfy this need in them to be *
Is that more surprising than folk who fail to see where the "real" responsibility lies? Where was the sense of responsibility (and focus) when he alone decided to do something that could be potentially fatal? Where is his sense of responsibility when saying that he would be happy to do it again and face the same consequences?
Needs to sort himself out before playing the, "but I have a family card" - otherwise its simple hypocrisy.
Still his websites will have got a lot more hits today! And the irony of his boast about the "elite" LSE. Happy to enjoy being part of an elite, but sadly reluctant to show he has benefitted or matured as a result. Perhaps we should let him stay for comedy/ironing value?
they cant even understand cricket, let alone knowing their place and only protesting where they dont cause a kerfuffle.
LOL
He said he did not want to return to Australia as he did not feel comfortable living on Aboriginal land and that the country was still under the control of the Queen.
I wonder what his stance would be if Aus became a republic? Would he then happily return as the land no longer 'belongs' to the queen? Would he then happily indulge in stupid stunts designed to annoy his fellow countrymen, like disrupt the Ashes, because he's belatedly discovered the land wasn't 'owned' by the Crown, but by businesses and vested interests in Aus, who have no intention whatsoever in handing anything of any use back the the Aboriginal people?
imnotverygood - Member
Frankly I would deport him on the basis of the ridiculous self-satisfied smirk he had as he was fished out of the Thames.
Pity someone didn't just stand on the silly bugger's head and keep him under the water, all the while keeping an innocent 'what bloke in the water?' expression on their face.
@atlaz yes it was meant to be ironic but we seem to have misplaced the irony emoticon.
If he has such a problem with the 'occupation' of Australia then why didn't he protest and demonstrate whilst he was living there, why travel to the other side of the planet? I have some sympathy with his argument in this respect, but Australia is an independent country whose residents are at liberty to redress the wrong if they feel the need. Perhaps we should go and disrupt the TdF in protest at the way the Normans sacked the North of England. (tongue in cheek emoticon!)
He's an asshat.
Couldn't bring myself to watch more than a few seconds of that video.
Is he a member of The Magic Circle?
He's on newsnight tonight to give his side.
I once competed in a rowing race in Cardiff and during training some kids fired rockets (fireworks, not RPGs) across the river and we had to duck for cover... was pretty scary at the time but I look back at it now and laugh.
Anyhow, the bigger picture is that the guy is a dude for sticking it to da man, sign this petition or you are part of the problem, not the solution:
(if you disagree then at least admit that you are happy to be trampled by the elite and bail out Eton chums forever more... or of course you could assassinate the character of someone who has done something courageous which you are a bit jealous of)
[quote=nickjb ]He's on newsnight tonight to give his side.
He is still there? What sort of woolly leftist liberal government have you guys got?
Prison gates to Heathrow if you mean it!
r of course you could assassinate the character of someone who has done something courageous which you are a bit jealous of
I'm not jealous of an asshat. Courageous? Erm, yeah. Right.
Good to see the chips out in force, as per.
Courageous? Erm, yeah. Right.
Whether you agree with what he did or not, it does take courage to do what he did.
[quote=bencooper ]Courageous? Erm, yeah. Right.
Whether you agree with what he did or not, it does take courage to do what he did.
And for such a courageous man who fled to the UK to be offended by the state he found then protest so courageously then to hide behind his wife to avoid the consequences of his actions.
Courageous would be to accept his punishment, if he is so offended why stay?
Courage or selfish foolishness?
Courage is going in to a burning building to save a life. Courage is a mountain rescue unit. Etc.
He can be your hero for 'sticking it to the man, man' all you like. You can even have a poster of him on your bedroom wall if you wish to idolize him. I choose not to, as I think he's just a prat.
He's had the consequences of his actions - he spent time in prison. This isn't the consequences, this is being vindictive.
Courage is doing something risky - and he did that. Actually, I think he was protesting about the wrong thing at the wrong place so he's not my hero, but he still had guts to do what he did.
He's taken his punishment: prison and he still has the balls to stand for what he believes in~ the chummy rah's have thrown the dummy out cos he spoiled their knee's up and gained publicity for the movement to expose them gold plating their silver spoons.
BTW, what exactly is he protesting about? I have seen some mumbling about "elitism" but I'd like to understand what his manifesto is (so we can put it to the test-o, to paraphrase the Sultans of Ping FC).
Or is it a generic "Down with this sort of thing?"
To be fair I don't think he's entirely made up his mind what his "protest" was about. It appears to be about a whole bunch of stuff which don't necessarily have an automatic connection, including elitism and austerity cuts. I think he throws in suggestions as he remembers things which he doesn't agree with.
All the classic muddled thinking of a middle-class liberal trendy who understands little about real class politics.
IMHO of course.
I think they've done him a favour.
Edit: the way he has been treated shows his protest was perfectly aimed. Having made his point he should now vote with his feet.
I liked his optimistic approach to how he's going to avoid deportation by hoping they forget. Going on Newsnight may have been a tactical error.
I find it genuinely amazing that anyone thinks it's justified to send someone to jail, then deport them, over delaying a university boat race for a bit. Seriously, WTF goes through your minds?!
Yes I ranted about it in another thread, but Lord Green oversaw and profited from large scale money laundering for terrorists, drug cartels and rogue states, and instead of jail he gets appointed as government trade minister. Meanwhile we jail and deport someone for going for a swim. 😕
Yes I ranted about it in another thread, but Lord Green oversaw and profited from large scale money laundering for terrorists, drug cartels and rogue states, and instead of jail he gets appointed as government trade minister. Meanwhile we jail and deport someone for going for a swim.
Apples and oranges. I don't know much about Lord Green but old Trenton is getting deported because he committed a criminal offence (whether you agree it should be criminal or not is not under discussion) and has made it clear he'd commit more to further his cause (whatever it is). That, unfortunately, puts him at odds with his visa requirements.
Just because one thing happens, that's not a requirement for the other to happen.
Yeah what you're saying is logically correct. Doesn't make it right though.
grum - To be totally honest, if he showed a single iota of concern for his girlfriend and unborn kid in this (i.e. had tempered his statement to say he was prepared to go back to prison IF he wasn't about to be a dad), I'd be more inclined to give him the sympathy you do. That interview he did made it sound like even though he doesn't care about his family being split up from his own actions, the rest of us should care about the government doing the same.
The French seem to quite actively engage in protests, I don't even think they ask permission from the authorities first, which might seem to be a rather quaint concept on the British side of the channel.
Swings and roundabouts as the French riot police then get involved.
You need permission for a demo in France. An "authorisation préfectorale" is needed for any event in a public place whether it's music, a sporting event such as a bike race, anti mariage pour tous or the CGT moaning. However, keep the numbers down and you're just covered by the laws of what you can and can't do in public.
That's the theory but when the gouvernement really upsets people then cobbles start flying regardless.
A swimmer interupting race would get arrested, locked up for the duration of whatever he was protesting about, then assuming there was no "outrage à agent", kicked out with a warning or a modest fine to pay.
Edukator - MemberI think they've done him a favour.
I think deporting him will do his unborn child a favour.