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...are beginning to get pretty nasty. Lots of abuse and seriously offensive language. Can the mods step in perhaps?
Why not just start another one.
Oh.....
agree, i tend not to even read them now.
I bet Karl Marx would feel a bit silly if he was alive now. Opiate of the masses? I have never seen people overact so much.
What ?
Another thread expressing complete intolerance towards other people's religious beliefs ?
Surely not ......
It begins...
what if you have a deeply held belief in attacking religion?
what if you have a deeply held belief in attacking homosexuality ?
what if you have a deeply held belief in attacking multicultural society ?
As much as I welcome and appreciate intelligent discussion, many 'religion' threads seem to end up with people slagging off others' beliefs.
And I notice it's often the 'atheists', who appear the most vociferous.
It's good that we can discuss religion in a relatively civil, mature and open manner, though. Even though there are one or two who seek to hijack such discussions with their own agendae.
what if you have a deeply held belief in attacking equality for disabled people ?
Ernie; then you should feel able to express your views openly and without feeling oppressed.
You may quite possibly be wrong, however...
as for homosexuality and disability, those are not voluntary, whereas religion is a choice (if it is to have any meaning)
what if you have a deeply held belief in attacking over-paid IT wallahs who ponce about on over-priced kids bikes ?
Then you shall be perfectly justified, in your vehement abuse of such infidels...
BTW SFB, unless it's rape, there's an element of 'choice' in homosexuality.
Yeah, but if you are homosexual, then you are defined and bound by your sexuality.
Same as if you're heterosexual. I fancy ladies, and I don't consider I have any 'choice' over the fact. If I were Gay, I'd fancy blokes, and have a similar lack of 'choice'.
BTW SFB, unless it's rape, there's an element of 'choice' in homosexuality.
choice what you DO, not choice to BE
Ernie; then you should feel able to express your views openly and without feeling oppressed.
And be prepared to defend such views with conviction. No one likes a bandwagoner around here... 😉
You don't have to shag other men though.
What if you have a deeply held belief that being homosexual was fine, but that that having sex with other men was vile, foul, disgusting and perverted. Could you start a thread up about that, eh ?
Yes it's about choices. Everybody has the right to make their own choices (including religion) without fear of abuse.
IMHO
I've eaten a whole pot of prawns in less than a minute.
Where did it all go wrong...?
Ear; Ernie; d'you like 'The Sweeny'?
'Put yer trousers on, yer nicked!'
I'd make a great copper, I reckon.
I'd instinctively know who was up to no good...
Everybody has the right to make their own choices (including religion) without fear of abuse
no, you can make your choices and get slagged off for it. Particularly if you choose to abuse children or microwave fluffy kittens. Killing people is more acceptable if you do it in other countries...
I'd instinctively know who was up to no good...
mainly because it would be [u][b]YOU[/b][/u]!
What if you have a deeply held belief that being heterosexual was fine, but that that having sex with women was vile, foul, disgusting and perverted. Could you start a thread up about that, eh ?
I reckon quite a few folk might be a tad perplexed....
mainly because it would be YOU!
It's so [i]painfully[/i] true...
What if you have a deeply held belief that being heterosexual was fine, but that that [b]RudeBoy[/b] having sex with women was vile, foul, disgusting and perverted ?
most people feel this...
What if you have a deeply held belief that being heterosexual was fine, but that that having sex with Anne Widdecombe was vile, foul, disgusting and perverted ?
as above, except that just being in the same room is almost as bad
Simon. Religion is often not a choice. young children are brainwashed into believing this superstitious stuff and told that if they dont really really really believe, then they will go to hell.
Have I missed something in my life? I always thought homosexuality was a state of mind or cant think of the word, inate or hard wired whateverNOT an act?
My point was that people don't need t be quite so nasty about it. Come on - you may really disagree with someone's point of view but there's no need to be so flippin offensive. You've managed to offend me and I'm an atheist.
If you want to have a theological debate then fine - I love those. But put the effort in to choose you words carefully. Otherwise it's just abusive, offensive and extremely prejudicial. People can believe what they like, you don't have to wade in and slag them off for it without any regard for their feelings, so why do it? Just trying to make yourself look big and clever?
It is absolutely morally wrong to make sweeping assumptions about someone's intelligence based on how YOU THINK they think. It's even worse to rant about how stupid they are on some public forum when all you are displaying is your own ignorance. Not to mention downright rude and very bad manners.
Jolly poor show.
"what if you have a deeply held belief in attacking multicultural society"
I can not think of a single country that is mulicultural. The UK certainly is not. Different faiths live in their own communitys and tolerate others.
no one on here is religeous, who wants to waste biking time sat in church on sunday morning? i suppose confesion could be good when you give a motorist the finger and kick his wing mirror of though. mind you if you knew osama you could get a plane flown into his house....... sorry getting away from the point.
GG give rudeboy's account back to him.
Wot molgrips sed. It's not about any kind of reasoned debate or discovery for some people, it's just intellectual wieners really going to town on something because they think they are RIGHT. I guess they do that for most things though, not just religion. What do they achieve? A moral victory? A semi?
People can believe what they like, you don't have to wade in and slag them off for it without any regard for their feelings, so why do it?
Belief is almost entirely irrelevant, particularly as it may include the belief that you don't have to be truthful about your beliefs. What matters to other people is what you actually [b]DO[/b], regardless of your claimed reasons
also, it makes no sense to be offended about criticism of your beliefs, as a belief is inherently an arbitrary unfounded act of faith, based on nothing more than whim and liable to change without notice.
Have I missed something in my life? I always thought homosexuality was a state of mind or cant think of the word, inate or hard wired whateverNOT an act?
Damned right. Looks folks, hard as it is to understand on times - I never ever [b]ever[/b] made a choice one day "Oo, I think I'll be gay from now on." I grew up fancying my sisters' boyfriends thinking that [i]everybody was the same as me[/i]. I thought the reason that boys made out they liked girls was a front, exactly what some people think about gay people. But fortunately I looked about and grew up, realising that we're all different. And that is good.
Women are wonderful people. I like them loads. I just don't want to go near their bits! Sooner kick-start a jumbo jet! 😀
I thought the reason that boys made out they liked girls was a front
Interesting, I'd never realised it would be like that!
Do people [i]actually[/i] still think that people choose to be gay?
I can recollect a couple of [s]god bothers[/s] religous people on threads on here in the past that expressed the view that being gay is a lifestyle choice. I won't expand my views on them, as this is meant to be the 'nice' thread 🙂
Do people actually still think that people choose to be gay?
In a word, yes.
As an example When I used to do Religion I happened across many people who thought that way, because thats what they had been told.
The world is truly full of ignorant people, religious and non religious alike.
An awful lot of them have internet access, Which generally gets used as a tool to spread their ignorance rather than using it to enlighten themselves.
I thought the reason that boys made out they liked girls was a front
I prefer spending time with blokes but wouldn't want to touch one. Girls can be annoying but I like their wobbly bits. I hear about blokes becoming girls so maybe that'd work?
Whats wrong with being gay as a lifestyle choice? All your friends would have good taste, have better decorated houses and impecable manners. Also they'ed all be on the telly and be miles more entertaining to have around for dinner parties.
Can you opt out of certain things if choosing to be gay? Can't be bothered ironing socks.
Can you opt out of certain things if choosing to be gay?
I've opted out of both gay [b]and[/b] ironing!
I prefer spending time with blokes but wouldn't want to touch one
I put up with blokes reluctantly if there are no women around
Have I read this thread correctly? All of you are atheist, but are still getting into a massive argument with each other, arguing between yourselves and upsetting each other about other people getting upset (if that makes sense)?
All of you are atheist
no, I gave up that dogmatism. Now I am happy to acknowledge any number of gods between zero and infinity (though I might take issue with negative numbers). Actually 'acknowledge' might be too strong, as really I don't care - they (if any) can do their thing and I shall do mine, but if they get in touch I am willing to discuss the matter further.
SFB Lol
Ok - "atheist and agnostic/ god neutral" 🙂
Ok - "atheist and agnostic/ god neutral
the name of my creed* is "pantheistic indifference", though on alternate Tuesdays the 3rd 'i' is replaced by a 'e'...
* if not being rightly bothered can be so described
on the grounds that eternity is a long time and we do not now really what happens when we kick the bucket, is not believeing in god a wise move?
it makes no sense to be offended about criticism of your beliefs
It's fine to criticise beliefs, but there's a line between that and abuse which is regularly crossed. Automatically assuming someone's stupid because of their beliefs is a terrible thing to do. It is entirely personal and not constructive debate in any way.
I'm god* neutral and carbon neutral but I do ride on footpaths, oh and I sometimes kick dogs. Does this mean I’m going to hell with the infidels?
*God/fictional character(depending on your beliefs/brainwashing/parents)
is not believeing in god a wise move
I'm not convinced an eternity of torment or bliss can be differentiated from quite a short period of either. Without the variety and unpredictability of real life some lingering meta-existence would be awful and I have no respect for any entity that might seek to impose it on me.
Automatically assuming someone's stupid because of their beliefs
[b]ALL[/b] beliefs are inherently stupid as they are baseless rationalisations
...for instance I believe in justice, fairness and compassion and there's scant evidence for those. Even clever people can believe stupid things.
[i]ALL beliefs are inherently stupid as they are baseless rationalisations [/i]
Including that one, by sheer logic?
Including that one, by sheer logic?
no, that's definition. If it had a base in fact it would not be a belief. I've tried really hard not to believe in gravity but am still sadly unable to fly 🙁
****ing hell. I've come on here to get away from Plato ( degree studies ) for an hour or so and Barnes is spewing it all back out at me 😉
Plato as in "only the dead will see the end of war"? Or the ex-touring car racer?
Either way, what are you studying?
I've come on here to get away from Plato
that's quite a compliment as I just make this stuff up 🙂
That's what he did as well; the difference being people didn't think he was full of poo. 😆
I enjoyed reading Plato's beliefs about Atlantis 😀
Either way, what are you studying?
Tradition and belief.
You will fit right in here then. Why not use Rudeboy as a case study. 😆
Eh? What have I done now? 😯
...is not believeing in god a wise move?
Well you can't force yourself to believe something just because it might be a good idea if you did believe it. I do get the impression that some people in churches take this attitude though!
miketually - MemberDo people actually still think that people choose to be gay?
Most people realise that being gay is not a choice. But quite a few people think that gay sex is unacceptable and that gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married.
Personally I have a complete aversion to having sex with another man. And I would want to marry one even less. But that's my choice, and if someone else fancies giving it a go, then it's up to them. I'm certainly not going to abuse them for it.
If someone wants to believe in the Spaghetti Monster, then that too is their choice. And again, I'm certainly not going to abuse them for it.
Let people live their lives how they choose to. And don't interfere. Is the simple solution imo.
If you choose to believe, fine. Or if you choose to ignore. Or negate. Or whatever. Do we, as human beings, need to be aggressive towards those who made a different to ours choice?