[Closed] These E Cigarettes in the office??

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4900

banned in total from our offices and going the same route on offshore facilities.

cheap chinese batterys and chargers setting fire to places when left plugged in.

- seems to be more of a hazzard than the steam.

Banned at ours as well staff and customers

Can they not just go to the bog or something?

Whilst they're legal, they're against company policy indoors at our place at least. Aside from anything else it doesn't look particularly professional, dragging on a chrome-plated Rampant Rabbit as customers walk past.

I stumbled across some info stating that dues to the metal element that creates the vapour the bi-product are carcinogens that are up to 10x stronger than a continental cigarette.

To be fair, you could stumble across some info stating that Argos are giving away £500 gift vouchers to everyone who forwards a Facebook post. Doesn't mean it's true (and ofc, doesn't mean it isn't either).

There's two big problems with these things:

1) We've not really done enough research so they could be less or more harmful, we just don't know yet. My understanding is that they don't have as much nasty stuff in as traditional fags, but the vapour molecules are smaller than smoke and so get deeper in the lungs. Before we know what the long-term effects are we'd, well, need to look at it over a long term.

2) Legislation hasn't caught up, so they're legal in the same way that "100% LEGAL HIGHS!!" were for years. The advertisers have cottoned on though; I saw an ad on TV last night which was reminiscent of the old tobacco ads, basically a hot young model blowing smoke vapour at the screen in a suggestive manner. Can't see them getting away with that for long, could easily have been glamorising smoking but for the voice over / caption showing the brand name.

They're allowed in our place, but in fairness there's only a handful of us here and the one smoker/vaper doesn't work here anymore.

I notice they're getting very elaborate, his looked like a cross between Dr. who's screwdriver and a steampunk sex aid.

Conventional thinking says they're harmless to people around the smoker, but conventional thinking thought DDT, Asbestos and Thalidomide was harmless, I suspect in years to come the true risks will be known.

Just go into the office and let off some stink bombs. After all, they're not illegal, probably not prohibited in any company rule book and, as far as we know, there are no long term health effects.

scotroutes - Member

Just go into the office and let off some stink bombs. After all, they're not illegal, probably not prohibited in any company rule book and, as far as we know, there are no long term health effects

Are you in my S4 life skills class by any chance?

I've not got that far

Why do people pinch on e-fags rather than hold them in the more conventional between the finger style of normal fags?

Weird.

Treat them like real cigarettes, they can go outside with the rest of them. If I can't masturbate in the office, they can't vape or whatever it's called.

I'd be far more concerned with the crap we're forced to breath by the millions of vehicles that inhabit our roads.

I think I'm going to start drinking alcohol free lager in the office. (Or is it...? 😉 )

I'd be far more concerned with the crap we're forced to breath by the millions of vehicles that inhabit our roads.

Yeah, but I've yet to see anyone sucking on a Vauxhall Insignia in the office.

I think I'm going to start drinking alcohol free lager in the office

we were discussing that at my place. we couldn't think of an objective reason not to do it (apart from it would feel very wrong) but suspected that someone somewhere would find or create a rule to stop us

I suspect in years to come the true risks will be known.

Well I've already been told I'm a miserable old git for not celebrating Christmas, having a tree, sending cards, joining in with Secret Santa, so NO to vaping anywhere in my presence.

johndoh - Member

Why do people pinch on e-fags rather than hold them in the more conventional between the finger style of normal fags?

Weird.

Because the vapour coming out of them looks more like somthing from a bong/crack pipe, therefore they do their best to look cool and edgy.

A bit like the not quite cool kids at school drinking cans of bass shandy and eating those wierd cigaret sweets.

Because the vapour coming out of them looks more like somthing from a bong/crack pipe, therefore they do their best to look cool and edgy.

A bit like the not quite cool kids at school drinking cans of bass shandy and eating those wierd cigaret sweets.

It's because they have a small button that you need to press, and that they're considerably heavier than a normal cigarette.
But don't let that stop you hating 🙂

Yeah, but I've yet to see anyone sucking on a Vauxhall Insignia in the office.

A bit like the not quite cool kids at school drinking cans of bass shandy and eating those wierd cigaret sweets.

Sitting here smoking mine just now. 🙂

wow how cool your addicted to nicotine ...SWOONS

Junkyard - lazarus
wow how cool your addicted to nicotine ...SWOONS

You're! 😉 Much cooler now I've that added grammar Nazi-ism to my vices!

I'd be pretty pissed about breathing it in all day at work.

I don't care if the ill effects are proven or not*, It's horrible breathing in any second hand smoke/vapour.

(* I do believe the 10X carcinogen thing has been proven for certain brands though)

grenosteve - Member
I'd be pretty pissed about breathing it in all day at work.

I don't care if the ill effects are proven or not*, It's horrible breathing in any second hand smoke/vapour.

(* I do believe the 10X carcinogen thing has been proven for certain brands though)

If I can't masturbate in the office, they can't vape or whatever it's called.

You still may get in to trouble if you masturbate in the smoking area

Do you normally get upset at gigs when the smoke machines come on? It's the same thing.

Smoke machines contain nicotine?

do you normally get upset at gigs when the smoke machines come on? It's the same thing.

An element of choice, I chose to go to gigs and accept I'll be breathing in the fumes and my clothes/skin will get a bit sticky if I get to close to them. I'm required to be in the office.

Do you normally get upset at gigs when the smoke machines come on? It's the same thing.

Edit: beaten by 23 seconds!

They were banned in my old work, no idea about the new place but no one smokes / vapes here so not had to cross that bridge.

I think it was more about appearance and fire risk than anything particularly health related.

Cougar - Moderator
Do you normally get upset at gigs when the smoke machines come on? It's the same thing.
Smoke machines contain nicotine?

Do you also have the research on the harmful effects of inhaling nicotine? Nicotine is posonious in hi dosage(more poisonous than arsenic actually), but it's not harmful in the tiny doses you get in vapour form, neither is propylene gycol or vegetable glycerin. (the later 2 aren't new substances, they've been around and considered safe for consumption for 100 years.)

They're banned at my workplace based on the dodgy chargers thing and also because as of yet the health risks are unknown.

If the e cigs don't kill you, the terrorists will, best not to go outside.

Don't forget that you could potentially be allowing malware into your office IT environment as well... These things usually get power from USB, so plugging them into a PC to charge could get your network in trouble.

Vaping is not 10x more carcinogenic than smoking its 90% water vapour a small amount of nicotine and vegtable glycol. Numerous recent studies show its enormously less risky than smoking, much more effective at helping people stop smoking. Quite a few people vape in my office and im not at all bothered by it, in fact some of the flavoured ones smell really nice.
Why do some peple get so angry about other people's choices? Theres no more harm in vaping than in cooking a meal. Its water vapour ffs, should we ban the kettle too?

[quote=joolsburger ]Vaping is not 10x more carcinogenic than smoking its 90% water vapour a small amount of nicotine and vegtable glycol. Numerous recent studies show its enormously less risky than smoking, much more effective at helping people stop smoking. Quite a few people vape in my office and im not at all bothered by it, in fact some of the flavoured ones smell really nice.
Why do some peple get so angry about other people's choices? Theres no more harm in vaping than in cooking a meal. [b]Its water vapour with a small amount of [i]nicotine[/i] and vegtable glycol ffs.[/b]

I'd be pretty pissed about breathing it in all day at work

Much cooler now I've that added grammar Nazi-ism to my vices!

Can you be sure they don't?

but it's not harmful in the tiny doses you get in vapour form

Its still a poison so its still harmful... you started the pedantry 😉

Do you normally get upset at gigs when the smoke machines come on? It's the same thing.

It's not ideal really, but I've probably chosen to go watch a gig and breathe it in for an hour or so. All day at work isn't on in my book.

(Why does someone always have to try and prove your [b]personal opinion[/b] is wrong?)

[url= http://www.interaksyon.com/article/100040/e-cigs-have-10x-more-carcinogens-than-regular-smokes---japan-researchers ]10x Carcinogens than Fags[/url]

Why do some peple get so angry about other people's choices?

IS the kettle poisonous like nicotine?

FWIW they thought Heroin was the cure for Opium addiction. To be fair it was but it was not quite as helathy as first hoped for.

Point is we dont really know the long term health implications

grenosteve - Member
Do you normally get upset at gigs when the smoke machines come on? It's the same thing.
It's not ideal really, but I've probably chosen to go watch a gig and breathe it in for an hour or so. All day at work isn't on in my book.

(Why does someone always have to try and prove your personal opinion is wrong?)

My personally opinion is that some of you are a little too touchy! We(smokers) have more than met ye half way here, gives a little slack! 😀

Junkyard - lazarus
but it's not harmful in the tiny doses you get in vapour form
Its still a poison so its still harmful... you started the pedantry

Agreed [ mutters chicken under breath ]

FFS have you seen my spelling you cannot loose [ see what I did there]

Why do some peple get so angry about other people's choices?

Yeah chances are it's [i]probably[/i] less dangerous than smoking - I'll let [i]you[/i] gamble [i]your own[/i] lungs on that one - but you (and I'd guess most of the experts) have no idea if passive vaping is dangerous

grenosteve - Member
10x Carcinogens than Fags

Neither the scientist nor anyone from the health ministry was immediately available to confirm the report

Sounds conclusive! 😆

Junkyard - lazarus
Agreed [ mutters chicken under breath ]

FFS have you seen my spelling you cannot loose [ see what I did there]

Neither the scientist nor anyone from the health ministry was immediately available to confirm the report

Sounds conclusive!

I thought that too, but then I remembered that the internet is always right! 😛

I had to tell a buddy of mine - nope - you can't 'smoke' one of those devices in my lounge - funny how some folk think they don't need to ask if it's ok - these days nobody sparks up a regular cigarette without asking - I think e cigarettes are a joke - that stuff is not nearly regulated enough - what you think inhaling some chemical vapour is 'safer'? How are you going to quantify that ? Yeah it's safer in same sense that jumping from a 10 story building is safer than a 15 .. And don't get me started on all the infantile sweet shop style names they give to the flavours .. Oh and I saw some kids about 11 coming home from school using them the other day - big suprise there then - that kids will be attracted to them... Look if the government can put fluoride in the tap water then there's no telling what the hell is in those things! Nanotech cancer viruses no doubt !!

I think that the regulation is key here - in theory I'm sure it really is safe, done properly. I'm sure there must be liquids and devices out there made on the cheap that contains / does who knows what. That is probably where the real health concerns ought to be. There's clearly a lot of money to be made based on the number of shops / businesses popping up related to it so some greedy barstewards will be doing al sorts to make a fast buck.

I'm also aware that all this scare-mongering promotes the need for regulation, and then the ability for it to be taxed.

Whether it's harmful or not it looks stupid so I wouldn't be happy about someone sitting opposite me vaping* all day, but then i'd tell them that to their face.

*has a stupid name as well!!

We have a selfish vaper?? Its banned in our building yet he carries on!! Bloody stinks it does. He's been complained about as one of co workers had an allergic reaction to his "harmless vapour"

grenosteve - Member

I thought that too, but then I remembered that the internet is always right!

Do you also have the research on the harmful effects of inhaling nicotine? Nicotine is posonious in hi dosage(more poisonous than arsenic actually), but it's not harmful in the tiny doses you get in vapour form, neither is propylene gycol or vegetable glycerin. (the later 2 aren't new substances, they've been around and considered safe for consumption for 100 years.)

You seem very sure. You should write to all the scientists who have been saying "we don't know yet" and put them straight. Let me know how you get on.

noltae - Member

Look if the government can put fluoride in the tap water then there's no telling what the hell is in those things! [b]Nanotech cancer viruses no doubt !! [/b]

😯

noltae - Member
Look if the government can put fluoride in the tap water then there's no telling what the hell is in those things!

The hysteria is hysterical at times! 😆

Cougar - Moderator
You seem very sure. You should write to all the scientists who have been saying "we don't know yet" and put them straight. Let me know how you get on.

Ask a scientist, what's more carinogenic, a cabbage or a potato? The answer is likely to be, i dunno.

I dunno is the base point for scientists, it doesn't infer anything.

That must be it.

Cougar - Moderator
That must be it.

[quote=seosamh77 ]We(smokers) have more than met ye half way here, gives a little slack!

Interesting way of putting it. Presumably you're suggesting that non-smokers should compromise a bit to allow the smokers to do what they want because the smokers are also compromising a bit and not inflicting quite as much on the non-smokers?

My hobby is setting fire to furniture. I'll meet you more than half way and not set fire to the chair you're sitting in, give me a little slack.

Interesting way of putting it. Presumably you're suggesting that non-smokers should compromise a bit to allow the smokers to do what they want because the smokers are also compromising a bit?

"We" (getting a bit tribal there) non-smokers did comprimised, you're welcome to smoke, outside, in the December rain, now bugger off :-p

You seem to be disregarding the whineyness factor of non smokers in your calculations. Plenty of room for come and go.

I think you'll find I don't 'smoke' inside.

I vape inside, and will continue to do so till told otherwise, hopefully one of you whiney little girls will be very upset (and mutter under your breath, or whinge on here) but not say anything.
If you have a problem with it, ask them you would rather they didn't do it in the office. Grow a pair

I have to woner how many of the people having kittens here over vaping are diesel drivers, have flown on a plane etc etc...

He's been told.

what will all the moaners and whingers whinge and moan about if smoking and e ciggs are banned altogether, fair point about the smoking and passive smoking but moaning about a bit of water vapour is pathetic

[quote=fallsoffalot ]what will all the moaners and whingers whinge and moan about if smoking and e ciggs are banned altogether, fair point about the smoking and passive smoking but moaning about a bit of water vapour

with a small amount of nicotine and vegtable glycol

sorry was a little strong then. veg glycol is in food and alcohol.nicoteen was not the issue with smoking it was all the other crap they put in them to try and kill me and other smokers

what will all the moaners and whingers whinge and moan about if smoking and e ciggs are banned altogether

#bloodycyclists

😆

what will all the moaners and whingers whinge and moan about if smoking and e ciggs are banned altogether

Don't worry we will come up with something. What else do the smokers on this thread enjoy, fast cars, overtaking, lager, de razors, orange 5's? There's plenty for us to ruin for you yet. 😛

I wish they would make them look and smell like a pipe. I miss pipe smokers.

Look if the government can put fluoride in the tap water then there's no telling what the hell is in those things! Nanotech cancer viruses no doubt !!

seosamh77 - Member
You seem to be disregarding the whineyness factor of non smokers in your calculations. Plenty of room for come and go.

Girl in our office does it, I have too. If anyone would rather I went outside, I would have no issue whatsoever.

10x Carcinogens than Fags

Simple rule does it emit fumes?
Yes take it outside.

Simple rule does it emit fumes?
Yes take it outside.

That's me relegating my arse after a curry to outside then 😀

I wish they would make them look and smell like a pipe. I miss pipe smokers.

They do.

I saw a pipe smoker the other day, old boy at a motorway service station. Struck me how odd that suddenly was.

Simple rule does it emit fumes?