[Closed] The Tories have done a jobby on me.

Will marrying her fix it?

Seriously? Have you been going around with your eyes closed for the past 20 years? The UK hasn't changed that much in 6 months.

You want an idea? Canvass for the SNP and independence - they've already said that the immigration cap is stupid and will affect economic recovery in Scotland.

Meanwhile, what job was she planning to do that can't be done by someone already living here?

Druidh, this isn't an open discussion. Advise or get stuffed.

She'll be a linguist which is obviously a job someone British could do.

Charlie- marriage couldn't be an option til we've got savings.

That's a bit of a rant!

It's a **** of a lot harder for Brits to get visas or permission to reside in the United States than vice versa.

You seem to think that this is a new phenomenon, it isn't.
A friend of mine experienced similar heartbreak when the Labour government refused to let his pregnant girlfriend (white Zimbabwean) into the UK.

Their argument was that he had spent too much time outside of the UK over the preceding five years. Fair enough right?

Well, not really. He had been outside of the UK for extended periods of time due to the fact that he was an officer in a British Army infantry battalion.

I voted Tory and will do so again. I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your girlfriend and I hope that matters will be resolved, but your rant is way off the mark.

A touch melodramatic.

This is not new in the last few months but has been building for decades due to the xenophobia of the press.

My advise - relax and wait for the detail of the immigration cap. It will not be any major change I bet.

Charlie- marriage couldn't be an option til we've got savings.

??

Furthermore, like practically any policy that British governments of whatever flavour attempt to introduce, they'll delay it, make a hash of it, then shelve it when the next eye-catching initiative comes along.

Aye, probably a bit too OTT. Just a bit of a vent that's been building up for a while and having a woman cry at you when things are so very much beyond your control isn't nice.

I'm aware it's nothing new, like I say I witnessed my housemate having the same issues and battling with the government for many months.

Charlie- we'd have to get some real money together before doing marriage.

I remember the last time the torys were in, a leopard dos'nt change it's spots, but give it enough time and people forget what one looks like....and get eaten, again.
In a few years people will forget how incompetent labour were, and they'll get another go at [s]F[/s] [i]Messing[/i] it up

SpokesCycles - Member
Druidh, this isn't an open discussion. Advise or get stuffed.

You posted it on an internet forum, so it's actually completely open. The comments following mine back mine up.

I'll not expect an apology though.

You love the girl but won't get married as you have no savings? What a load of bull! If you love her propose, otherwise stop pretending.

I am sorry I got a bit shirty, and I know you're on their side, but for me it's been a fairly big change having this new government and it seems like one bit of bad news after another and I think I've snapped.

Well, for advice, i'd say marry her. On the cheap, just the legal formality. You don't nee pots of moeny for that.

Charlie- we'd have to get some real money together before doing marriage.

registry office, pizza hut for dinner, if its your only option...

We could. It's floating around anyway and we could always do it properly later. Not sure if we're there yet but if it's what we have to do we may.

......refused to let his pregnant girlfriend (white Zimbabwean) into the UK.

......he was an officer in a British Army infantry battalion.

Is he white British ?

SpokesCycles - Member

I am sorry I got a bit shirty, and I know you're on their side, but for me it's been a fairly big change having this new government and it seems like one bit of bad news after another and I think I've snapped.

Ah what its like to be young 🙂 - isn't there some quote about youth and feeling tragedies - or am I just old and cynical?

Seriously just chill - it won't be so bad as all that I bet.

TandemJeremy - Member

- or am I just old and cynical?

If you are Cynic-al, then that's some serious Schizophrenia you've got going on there!

Aye TJ is right, it might seem like a lot right now, but in a couple of years, you'll have forgotten all about her. Either that or you'll spend your life lost and lonely.

white Zimbabwean

WTF has her colour got to do with owt? She's a Zimbabwean. White Black Brown or purple with orange spots, colour is irrelevant in this context.

Charlie- marriage couldn't be an option til we've got savings.

Yeah I don't get that either. Surely it's only a few quid to have a Registry Office do.

CharlieMungus - Member
Aye TJ is right, it might seem like a lot right now, but in a couple of years, you'll have forgotten all about her. Either that or you'll spend your life lost and lonely.

Ouch!

it won't be so bad as all that I bet.

So you've been lying about the Tories then ?

Thats not what I meant to either of you
* mutters*

Aye. Hopefully it'll work out.

Had a look at the numbers and it's cut the chances of staying on a work visa by 2/3s.

We were skint so got married at the RO, went for a meal at a pancake place and got royally drunk at a local pub. Cheap, fun, properly bonkers. Why would you want to spend a lot? You'll need money when a sprog or two pop out but that's another story.

ernie_lynch - Member

......refused to let his pregnant girlfriend (white Zimbabwean) into the UK.

......he was an officer in a British Army infantry battalion.

Is he white British ?

Saffa, dual citizenship though.

Took 3 years to resolve.

You're shirking your responsibilities in not marrying her if it that means that much to you.

I'd also throw in the angle that the state is 'all-watching' and she has to dress up in that funky bedroom gear and do some despiciable acts for you to support her immigration application.

Just saying like.

We DO really like pizza hut stuffed crusts. Heck, if we were to get married we could splash out and have one each...

May I be the first to ask for pics?

i'll marry your girlfriend for a small fee or your bike, i don't mind a low cost wedding

email in profile and available this weekend

ps is she fit

[url= http://www.theweddingchapelinlasvegas.com/elvis_packages.html?gclid=COHf8rmVuKUCFcgf4QodYWiYXg ]Love me tender...[/url] 8)

Tj is cynic-al 😯 the old double login ploy eh, good persona bad persona, but which is which?
In a perverse way it explains a lot
Igmc

Bike or woman is not a fair call.

(As an aside, I have a mate who was doing the rude things with his woman and she asked "who do you love?" and he said his bike)

I'll do you a massive discount on wedding photography IF you get married on a tandem / any other BSO.

Joking apart ( I wasn't, and I will) I very nearly married a lovely American girl when her student visa ran out many years ago - she's now happily married to someone else, as am I.

Sorry, not helpful (unless you get married on a tandem).

Saffa, dual citizenship though.

Took 3 years to resolve.

I'm still wondering what relevance his GFs colour has...

[b]Elfinsafety[/b]
I'm still wondering what relevance his GFs colour has...

Nobody asked his girlfriend's colour.

Sham wedding is no solution.

And I have to warn you, there is a special hotline which concerned citizens can phone if they suspect dodgy nuptials.

........it's all part of Dave's "Big Society/let's all get involved/grass people up" extravaganza

I think if I even suggested something bike related at the wedding I would get thrown across the Atlantic myself...

Ernie- it'd not be a sham, it's something we've talked about anyway, it'd just be a bit sooner than expected.

khani,nail,head,again,how soon we forget 😥

Nobody asked his girlfriend's colour.

BH9ers post:

refused to let his pregnant girlfriend ([b]white Zimbabwean[/b]) into the UK.

I think it's a reasonable question really.

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Elfinsafety - Member

I'm still wondering what relevance his GFs colour has...
Posted 14 minutes ago # Report-Post
UNQUOTE.

By way of contrast, I'm not surprised in the slightest that you picked up on one little detail and are clinging to it like a deranged doberman 😈

Get married if the relationship is serious otherwise you are looking at company transfer that requires earning beyond £40k plus meeting the point based system. You can get married in the UK after that one of you needs to apply for spouse visa (not sure which one of you should apply) to come to UK.

Because doggy agents constantly abuse the system I am afraid the govt has no choice but to impose a cap. I am not sure the open door policy to EU is going to solve the problem of immigration though as I think the cap should equally apply to EU IMO.

doggy agents

How does one become one of these?

I'm a big fan of the album Doggy Style by Snoop Doggy Dogg if that helps?

BHN - by including 'White' in your description you are unwittingly (possibly?) implying that this should have a bearing on her application for UK citizenship.

I'm not surprised in the slightest that you picked up on one little detail and are clinging to it like a deranged doberman

I'm equally unsurprised that you can't actually explain why you made that comment....

I know why you did though. It's ok.

Yeti- well, he wasn't allowed into the UK either.

She did once own a dog, but it's dead and I'm sure Big Society Dave doesn't know about it.

Ernie- it'd not be a sham

Oh alright...........glad to hear it 8)

And don't worry - I wasn't going to phone the hotline 'til tomorrow anyway.

Ernie_lynch shut down in 2 posts?

That has cheered me up...

😉

Oh, someone mentioned the 'sham marriage' thing earlier. Immigration bods could come round to check up on you; check how many toothbrushes are in the bathroom, what clothes are in cupboards etc. Apparently they can be very intrusive and rude. I know folk who've been 'investigated', and they say it's a horrible and humiliating experience. Asking stuff like what contraception is used, all sorts. Fair enough they have their job to do, but some can take it a bit far, you know.

he wasn't allowed into the UK either.

Christ, I'm far too on topic tonight.

Good luck to you mate, the course of true love never runs smooth and all that. Get married in Vegas though, it'd make one hell of a story...

Gretna Green?

Immigration bods could come round to check up on you; check how many toothbrushes are in the bathroom, what clothes are in cupboards etc. Apparently they can be very intrusive and rude. I know folk who've been 'investigated', and they say it's a horrible and humiliating experience. Asking stuff like what contraception is used, all sorts.

Ah, that old scam.

You've got some friends that have fallen for that classic pervert's scam have you ?

LOL @ "doggy" agents. Yes, doggy dog ... should be dodgy agents.

If she comes from Zim but her ancestors or grandparents might be from UK then she has a chance otherwise keep applying using good lawyer or if her ancestors come from one of the EU nation that allows ancestors route then she can apply for there to become an EU citizen ...

😳

Happened to one couple I know. The bloke ended up getting really angry and throwing them out. Made a complaint, got an apology. Din't get harassed again, but the point is, that because there have been so many marriages of convenience, Immigration officials have had to get a bit sneaky.

Din't get harassed again, but the point is, that because there have been so many marriages of convenience, Immigration officials have had to get a bit sneaky.

I think the point is that it's precisely the kind of information that inquiring about would cause offence, that the officers need to ask about in order to really corroborate the claim that marriage is genuine.

OP how many people come here on student visas who then decide they want to stay?

What if I went to America on a Student visa and decided I wanted to stay there? Would I find it difficult? Yes I would. Is it the US government's fault? Are they evil?

Why are you blaming 'the Tories'?

Its not the governments fault.

Go and see an immigration solicitor and stop moaning. My Brother in law has spent the last two years doing this.

I had exactly this problem 10 years ago so its not new. The only option we had back then when my American girlfriends stundent visa ran out was for her to go home and come back 3 month later on a temp visa and get married with in 6 months.

Gretna Green

Racist! 😀

How much does it cost to get married or form a civil partnership?
What you need to do Cost
Give notice before registering a marriage or civil partnership £33.50
Register a marriage or civil partnership at a register office £40.00
Register a marriage or civil partnership on approved premises The cost for attendance by the superintendent registrar and registrar is set by the local authority.

A further charge is likely to be made by the owners of the building for the use of the premises.
Cost of religious ceremony in the Church of England or Church in Wales Please check fees with the vicar of the church in which you are planning to marry.
Cost of religious ceremony at a building other than Church of England or Church in Wales Unless the building has an Authorised Person, there will be an £80 fee for the registrar. There may be further fees charged by the trustees of the building and the person who performs the ceremony.
Cost of marriage or civil partnership certificate on the day £3.50

Do we need to have a whip around??

The finiacces visa is not cheep however, think it was over $500 10 years ago

I am not TJ.

The wedding thing's not new, when I was renewing my passport a couple of years back one of the notes on the form was about spouses, anything less than two years marriage was "doggy" in their eyes.

My wife had a harder time getting an NI number than the permanent residency

I can't be bothered to read all the responses so sorry if this has already been said, but if you hate this country so much, why don't you both just naff off somewhere else together? 🙄

A pretty tactless post by the OP, imo.

Unemployment in this country currently stands at ?

Go figure.

Just checked the visa is now $750

JEngledow - Member

You've done it now.

Somewhere in a poxy East London bedsit, Elfin's bat phone is going off, he'll be along shortly to accuse you of wanting to send 'them' back to where they came from.

In this case America, but y'know...tomorrow you might be referring to a Bangladeshi or something.

worst case, you're forced marrying your girlfriend on a budget.

use your imagination to make it special, not buckets of cash.

and then use your savings to pay off your mortgage early.

retire early.

then bugger off round Britain/the med/the world on a really nice yacht.

this immigration cap nonsense will be the best thing that ever happened to you.

I'm not TJ either!

I am TJ. Come on, argue with me and I shall destroy you.

bravohotel9er 😆

Although I'm not trying to send anyone back to where they came from, but instead suggest that SpokesCycles looks at somewhere new that he and his GF can be together (hopefully somewhere he doesn't 'hate')!

I'm rapidly starting to hate the whole country for suddenly becoming so unpleasant a place to live in the last 6 months.
They will ruin everything. The NHS, the Forests, the Industry, the Railways, the country's safety (anyone notice the cuts to flood defences today) and destroy the poor whilst allowing the rich to carry on as normal.

Why are you blaming 'the Tories'?

Its not the governments fault

can't be bothered to read all the responses so sorry if this has already been said, but if you hate this country so much, why don't you both just naff off somewhere else together?

Nor even the opening post but dont let your ignorance prevent you from experessing an opinion

She's fallen in love with the country, doesn't enjoy living in the States and the UK is now where she calls home, and has previously welcomed her with open arms.

Now they've dredged up this "they'll take our jobs" nonsense that will be the scurge of our country. The UK is what it is because of its multi cultural society with people from all over the world being allowed to pass in relatively easily. They do jobs we can't, but some of them just want to call it home

they love it here I dont even need to have a pop at your repatriation view to make you look foolish. Wonders if you will keep digging
bravohotel9er 🙄

I would be TJ but for some reason Wikipeadia is blocked on this box
Taking that off TJ is akin to tying a boxers arms behind his back 🙂

Junkyard, WTF?

If delicate little flowers like you want to take offence at everything, all of the time, that's just fine with me.

Everyone needs a hobby.

1 Get married
2 Move to the States - and then you'll have the problem, see 1.
3 Both move somewhere else - hmm, see 1.
4 Get her to apply for UK citizenship, thats what one of the Yanks that use to work for me did - not sure of rules etc

Please refrain from using terms like 'Yanks' please, Junkyard is already on the verge of tears.

you would be more upset if you did not annoy a guardian reading tree hugging tofu muncher with your hilarious posts and goading wouldn't you 😉

I'd consider it a day wasted.

You can apply for a visa for being in a relationship akin to marriage rather than actually having to be married. A friend of mine came over on a temp/working visa for 2 years, then moved to a 2 year relationship visa from there. They were not married but lived together etc and that was enough.

Sounds to me like you need to get some proper advice, there is a centre you can go to (near london i think) to get advice direct.