[Closed] The Star Wars Spoiler Thread

Abrams said Star Wars was its own genre

Rob Hiltons right and i luuurve star wars.

can't believe they've be lazy enough to have just reused the Ep IV plot so obviously with out it being a cunning ploy to appeal to the original fans back on side.
I think they failed with Star Trek as it's become just another Hollywood blockbuster down to 3quid in the bargain DVD bin

Just like jj's star trek's galactic teleporter tho they blew a big hole in the universe when han came out of light speed inside the supetdeathstar's shield, if only they'd thought of that in Return of the Jedi, they'd never have had to go to Endor and sing yub nub with the Ewoks

Oooh another thing.... Rey becoming a shit hot Jedi by just trying the voice a few times, its like the Dave grohl quote about talent shows and being shit in a garage for years before you become Nirvana.
JJ has brought us instant jedis for the xfactor generation, of course Rey could just be thrumming with Midiclurians 😉

I understand what you mean about it being cynical Kimbers, not sure I'd have chosen the same word but the Starkiller Base plotline did feel a bit lazy and needlessly derivative.

However, I think JJ's just decided to run with the idea of Star Wars basically being a western in space - with the characters being more important than an elaborate new setting and objective.

Yeah it could have been something more imaginative, but he and his team have done a bloody good job of what they've delivered.

9/10

Rey becoming a shit hot Jedi by just trying the voice a few times, its like the Dave grohl quote about talent shows and being shit in a garage for years before you become Nirvana.

But obvious bits in the film make it clear that we do not know evrything about Reys back story, its not clear she does either. Plot holes are only plot holes if they are not filled later and we know its a 3 film series.

chakaping

9/10

Begging the question what film or films would you rate 10/10?

10/10 you say ?

What's the internal temperature of a Tauntaun ?

- Luke warm.

Saw it. Loved it.

Expectations low after the awfulness of ep1-3 but I thought JJ captured the spirit of the originals very well, whilst introducing new characters.

Did anyone else spot the fact the Red Dwarf-esque smuggler gang was the cast from The Raid?! I was hoping for some martial arts awesomeness other than a spinning despair squid but hey....

For completeness, Klyo's first screen time was in the classic yellow pages advert....

Oh and weird bug-eye lady is Edna from Invincibles

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Nice to see Adam Driver getting some work after playing the giant in Big Fish

Well, my lad wants to see it again.

JJ captured the spirit of the originals very well, whilst introducing new characters.

With respect, I reckon I could've captured the spirit of the originals (falcon+x-wings+chewie & Han love in) plus introduced new characters myself. That's not exactly ground breaking is it.

Point being, by his own admission he was handling huge cinematic baggage with legions of middle aged fans waiting on baited breath - and he came out with Ep4-pt2.
It needed more convincing villains, and a better Empire/New Order back plot. The ease of destruction of planetoid weaponry and simplicity of Force mastery was just way too lazy.

Was ok but nothing special but was always going to be judged by the 11 year old me from 1978.

It's not force mastery, it was basic force skills coupled with already being bad ass. And we've always known that stormtroopers are easy to do mind tricks on.

Plus she could already have been partially trained, as mentioned.

Just found out that the Storm Trooper that undoes the restraints, leaves the cell door open and drops his blaster was Daniel Craig.

I reckon Rey will turn out to be "the chosen one". At the end of RotS Obiwan tells Anakin "You were supposed to be the chosen one" and clearly he wasn't. I'm guessing Rey will turn out to be the true chosen one, hence why she's so skilled with apparently little or no training.

Just found out that the Storm Trooper that undoes the restraints, leaves the cell door open and drops his blaster was Daniel Craig.

Bruce Willis is really dead in The Sixth Sense

Having killed his father I'm looking forward to Kylo Ren shagging General Leia in the next episode "The First Order Strikes Back".

BoardinBob - Member

I reckon Rey will turn out to be "the chosen one". At the end of RotS Obiwan tells Anakin "You were supposed to be the chosen one" and clearly he wasn't.

I think he says the chosen one is supposed to "bring balance to the force". And he did! Before he came along there were loads of good jedi and only 2 bad jedi, by the time the film was finished there were 2 of each.

Never trust a Chosen One.

I reckon Rey will turn Ren back to the light

no one has said anything about this yet but..........

why did luke need to find the first Jedi Temple ??? any theories???

considering the Jedi have been around for 1000s of years what could possibly be there that luke would need after his little "darlings" got slaughtered by Ren and his team/knights/groupies.

back2basics

no one has said anything about this yet but..........

why did luke need to find the first Jedi Temple ??? any theories???

It's where he could undergo some proper ultra serious badass jedi training. Irish Jedi are double hard bastard jedis compared to the rest of them.

back2basics - Member

considering the Jedi have been around for 1000s of years what could possibly be there that luke would need after his little "darlings" got slaughtered by Ren and his team/knights/groupies.

He's a barely trained jedi trying to train new jedi and it's going badly. (this is a recurring theme isn't it? Post-return-of-the-jedi, nobody seems to have been very succesful. Not as bad as Lucas but still). So he's off to find the Jedi-mcguffin that'll fix that. The jedi didn't need it before because they thought they knew what they were doing- though tbh in the prequels it's pretty obvious they didn't have a blimmin clue.)

(spoiler- it's one of these.

Begging the question what film or films would you rate 10/10?

Goodfellas, The Seven Samurai, The Princess Bride, Repo Man... I can't do you an exhaustive list sorry.

None of the other Star Wars movies though.

Roddy Doyle

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-I brought some o' the grandkids to the new Star Wars there earlier.
-Wha' was it like?
-A load o' shite.
-I heard it wasn't too bad.
-It was shite, I'm tellin' yeh. It looked like it was made in the Phoenix Park with a load o' wheelie bins painted white. Absolute ****in' drivel. It made no ****in' sense. 
-Was Princess Leia in it?
-Yeah - played by Angela Merkel.
-That's alrigh', isn't it? Yeh'd trust Angela to save the world.
-Only if she's playin' Angela in a fillum about Angela. Not in this ****in' thing. She looks lost. She couldn't handle a fart, let alone the European economy. But the worst bit - .
-Go on.
-They're tryin' to find that irritatin' little prick from the first fillum. Luke Skypilot. An' d'yeh know where they find him? In all the ****in' Galaxy an' infinity or wherever. Where do they ****in' find him?
-Where?
-Kerry.
-****in' Kerry?
-Not even Kerry. A rock off the side o' Kerry. He's been hangin' off a stone in the middle o' the ****in' Atlantic. Not a Spar or a pub in sight. An' this **** is goin' to save us? For **** sake.

chakaping - Member

Begging the question what film or films would you rate 10/10?

Goodfellas, The Seven Samurai, The Princess Bride, Repo Man... I can't do you an exhaustive list sorry.

None of the other Star Wars movies though.

Um.....er.....wow.

Just seen it for the second time, still awesome. Was anybody else slightly disappointed by the lack of variety in the resistance star fighters- where were the A,B and Y wing fighters?

kelvin - Member
Well, my lad wants to see it again.

I thought it was great......I think it's best to watch it as if you was a kid again...stop reading too much into it.....

'The First Order of the Cat's Arse'

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I saw it the other night on IMAX and really enjoyed it. So much so that I am going to see it tomorrow night again. 😀

It's an enjoyable romp but not perfect. Adam Driver is bloody awful as Kylo Ren and is in serious danger of equalling Anakin in the prequels for sheer bloody annoyingness! He makes Chewie look like Larry Olivier. I kept thinking of the lead in Young Sherlock Holmes from the eighties. He was rubbish too!

As for Carrie Fisher, it looks like her but the trout pout and the voice that speaks of too many substances being ingested made me feel like I was watching a wooden lookalike. She has gone from sparky and interesting to world weary. Sad to see.

The ginger baddie could do with toning it down more than a little while Snook the Supreme Leader had me thinking of Sacha Baron Cohen in the dictator and Golum. I sincerely hope that he looks less CGI in the next to films.

Other than that, Rey and Finn are excellent characters to cheer on, Chewie was brilliant, the action scenes were really well cut together with none of this trendy shakeycam fast editing so beloved of Paul Greengrass.

I came out of the cinema both in shock at Han Solo throwing a seven and elated at seeing a Star Wars film that wasn't shit. I still remember the disappointment of coming out of the cinema after seeing The Phantom Menace and thinking that I waited 16 years for this crap? 😀 Overall, a fine effort that managed to exceed my expectations. Good days!

Sanny

IMAX 3D today, I loved it all, the kids were impressed with whole IMAX 3D experience, but not the film particularly. Did anyone else spot the Apocalypse Now nod/ref bit?

on the other people in it probably done already but Simon Pegg got in too
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0526630/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t17
all about who you know really, there is an interview where he basically said it was just awesome to be part of it all.

As for the how and why and all that it will provide much speculation for the next couple of years, personally I'm glad there is room to imagine and the plot isn't screaming out as to where it goes, (one of) the greatest flaws in the prequels was we all knew what was coming, it was basically how long till he turns. This time we don't know what will become of who, which way they will go except for more plans will be stolen, more massive bases will be blown up and good will prevail after some sacrifice.

Yep, Daniel Craig is the storm trooper who releases Rey and drops his gun when she is prisoner on Star Killer Base, and Ewan McGregor reprises his role as Obiwan Kenobi with some dialogue during Rey's force-induced vision after picking up Luke's old lighter sabre

Excellent, loved it 🙂 been avoiding this thread and all spoilers for 3 weeks. IMAX 3D was well worth it. Very happy so much was filmed in the UK and with British cast.

Spoilers, Being shot by a blaster doesn't make you bleed unless you reach out and touch someone. Harrison Ford can't run, Boyega/Finn has a not totally horrific American accent. If you didn't know it was Hamill/Luke Skywalker you wouldn't recognise him, time has not been kind. Mind you anyine stuck on an Island off the coast of Ireland might look a bit weather worn.

Lucas must have his nose of joint as he's sold the rights and Disney have made a fantastic film whixh has people already waiting for the next one.

Thoughts -

No new ships? As said new TIE fighters and a new generation of X wings (compare Poes mission ship with the later ones, the first is an original/ MkII).

Poe took a while getting back? He was back before Finn and Rey made it to the cantina place, I was questioning how he got back to everyone so quickly.

Rey Lukes daughter? Dunno but given I correctly guessed who Ren would be I'm going to go out on a limb and say she's a little more refined than that. Lets just say there are three origin films and I'm guessing tbey aren't just fan service.

Rey is [i]surely[/i] Luke's daughter. It's the only explanation that makes any sort of sense, unless she's wholly unconnected which doesn't seem likely (isn't Luke the last of the Jedi?) and not very interesting plot-wise.

That does rather raise the question though as to who her mother is. Given the number of female characters in the canon Star Wars universe, unless our Mr Skywalker had a secret fling with an Ewok I can only presume it's someone we haven't seen yet.

Harrison Ford can't run

To be fair to the guy - he's knocking on a bit and he did break his leg during filming...

He's 73! 😯

Given the number of female characters in the canon Star Wars universe, unless our Mr Skywalker had a secret fling with an Ewok I can only presume it's someone we haven't seen yet.

To be fair to the guy - he's knocking on a bit and he did break his leg during filming...

He's 73

The interviews on Graham Norton where good, speaking of how Ford ventured into East London with Boyega, ensured everyone in the restaurant knew he was there. Then after surviving "risky" East London he broke his leg after a door fell on him at the studio

Didn't he also crash a plane during filming? Honestly how many blokes of 73 run well except for the nutter fell runners

Then after surviving "risky" East London he broke his leg after a door fell on him at the studio

The devil's in the detail though; it was the door to the Millennium Falcon prop. How badass a story is that? "Broke my leg, yeah... Millennium Falcon accident..."

Cougar

That does rather raise the question though as to who her mother is. Given the number of female characters in the canon Star Wars universe, unless our Mr Skywalker had a secret fling with an Ewok I can only presume it's someone we haven't seen yet.

Yeah it's obviously Leia. There's a clear case of genetic sexual attraction between the two, they must have given in to their impulses and Luke flees to Kerry in shame to live in exile.

When Rei is born her Midi-chlorians are off the scale and she demonstrates Jedi master levels of force manipulation it leads Han to one obvious, horrible conclusion causing the breakdown of his relationship with Leia too.

I've also been avoiding this thread until I saw the film on Saturday with Mr Pea and 10-year-old son. We all thought it was great. Chewie is my favourite- he was fab!
I thought Luke Skywalker actually looked better than he did when he was young, the beard suits him.

I thought Luke Skywalker actually looked better than he did when he was young, the beard suits him.

@Cougar, hadn't heard that. Great backstory !

BTW the Ford can't run was supposed to be a joke spoiler, ie not a surprise at all 😳

Oh yeah, Y Wings were already ancient by OT so that explains that, could have included A wings though I'll give you that.

Lukes daughter is far too predictable, I'd say it more likely that shes the twin of Phasma who both come from clone stock (there was a reference to clones when The question of using stormtroopers to find Rey was asked, I presume Phasma is a clone since she is superior and actually has a name as opposed to the untermensch with numbers) and was either liberated or put away for a rainy day for when Snoke needed a new apprentice.

Lukes daughter is far too predictable

OTOH, if she isn't then the flashback stuff she experiences when she first touches the lightsabre will surely need some pretty contrived explanation.

I like the idea that it won't be all about the Skywalkers though, and that they might open it up a bit now they've established the connection with the first ones and done the necessary fan service.

The interviews on Graham Norton where good, speaking of how Ford ventured into East London with Boyega, ensured everyone in the restaurant knew he was there. Then after surviving "risky" East London he broke his leg after a door fell on him at the studio

I thought it was a Nigerian retaurant in the Elephant and Castle area he took Harrison Ford to which is Saff Lunnon. John Boyega was born and raised in Peckham after all to Nigerian parents.

it leads Han to one obvious, horrible conclusion causing the breakdown of his relationship with Leia too.

I reckon Rey and Ren are twins.

We've had the father son thing... twice now.

Time for some sibling rivalry

Oh and loved it... sat there not wanting to get up outta my seat when it finished.

Re Rey:

1) She could be Ben Solo's sister/Leia and Han's daughter
2) She could be Obi-Wan's daughter, because ol' Ben Kenobi wasn't such a bachelor boy after all
3) Could be Luke and Bib Fortuna's preternatural love child. De Wunna Wungaaaa!

Was Kylo Ren so grumpy because his mask was too tight?

It would explain his ears also.

Could Rey be Max von Sydow's daughter?

He looked a bit "Jedi" and is too big a name to get wasted in the first five minutes.

Harry_the_Spider
Could Rey be Max von Sydow's daughter?

.... is too big a name to get wasted in the first five minutes.

See Conan the Barbarian, Robin Hood and several other films. He has a habit of doing just that.

Rey could be cloned from Luke. That would give a blood connection, explain the flashback and build on the reference to cloning.

From Roger... 😀

Trilogy n Also known as a 'brown Star Wars'. A turd of such epic proportions it has to be released in three installments. The first can stand on its own as a complete adventure. The second links to the first, but has a dark, inconclusive feel generating an air of foreboding and leaving itself wide open for an unknown ending. The final chapter has drama, excitement and moments when you think all is lost. A grand battle is waged where good overcomes evil and peace is restored in your arse.

scotroutes - Member
Rey could be cloned from Luke. That would give a blood connection, explain the flashback and build on the reference to cloning.

It would also need quite a broad definition of 'cloning'! 🙂

1) She could be Ben Solo's sister/Leia and Han's daughter

I wondered that, but I can't come up with an immediately plausible explanation as to how Hand and Leia would know all about Ren but not have a scooby who Rey is (and even if separated at birth surely one of them would've gone "waaaait a minute...?").

@forza you are quite right I'm sure.

So do the afficiandos on here believe the next two screen plays are already written ?

Also whats the contractual basis, if any, for the films being made/shot/cast heavily in the UK ?

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Also whats the contractual basis, if any, for the films being made/shot/cast heavily in the UK ?

Apparently G. Osbourne has given Disney £25,00,000 to make them here

It's true though, every major new character is British. Sweeeet 🙂

I wondered that, but I can't come up with an immediately plausible explanation as to how Hand and Leia would know all about Ren but not have a scooby who Rey is (and even if separated at birth surely one of them would've gone "waaaait a minute...?").

Fair point...

Oh and loved it... sat there not wanting to get up outta my seat when it finished.

I leapt out of mine straight for the bogs as I always do after a film, having sat through the second hour in pain.

I am going to see it again on Wednesday night, in "full bloke" mode which means, beer, pizza, single comfy seat.

I can't wait.. 😀

It's true though, every major new character is British.

Aside from Adam Driver. So the other two then...

Could Rey be Leia's daughter but after she split with Han? So Han doesn't know her/of her?

I'm not sure if the time line would work though.

My other thought is as an earlier post - she's related to Obi-Wan rather than Skywalker.

I enjoyed the film, it's better than Jedi - but that is it. In reality it is an unoriginal money spinner with vast amounts of plot holes.

Things I really hated

1) Another Death Star - just bigger and built around a sun. Great! How does it end up snowy with a sun as your space stations core?

2) It's the plot line of A New Hope - replace girl with boy - girl lives on sandy planet, the place is attacked, she escapes with a droid and ends up trapped on a massive space station, she gets rescued as opposed to doing the rescuing, space station then get's blown up.

3) Storm Troopers masks filter smoke but not toxins? So in a world with hyperdrives, they don't have masks that will filter out the toxins in a fire. No wonder the cockwombles station got blown up.

4) The First Order is unbelievably camp.

5) They managed to copy the Tie Fighter exactly and paint it black, and somehow cram a gunner into a ship the same dimension. There were so many other cool designs that could have been used that fans would have liked.

6) No Jar Jar - they could have at least murdered him dead in the first scene.

7) Rey could have been half trained by Skywalker before everything went to hell, I also felt that skywalkers Jedi training school could have been a bit more fleshed out.

8) If they ripped off anything it should have been BSG, we should have seen skywalkers school and the republic fleet get ripped apart and flung throughout the galaxy by a student who disappeared to the outer rim - BSG style (they came out of nowhere) with a computer virus.

9) They managed to destroy coruscant which could have been a cool blade runner style world for future films.

10) How could the starkiller base destroy the Republic fleet, when it's like a carrier fleet. Moving and it's whereabouts unknown, spread thinly throughout the galaxy?

11) The ships didn't move convincingly when fighting, they looked like they were on rails. Even Lucas did a better job.

12) Who strafes a droid that you're trying to rescue, I was expecting saving private Ryan in Space - not the idiocy that followed.

Loved it.

To quote Adam Savage "good to finally have a third good star wars film"

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scotroutes - Member
Rey could be cloned from Luke. That would give a blood connection, explain the flashback and build on the reference to cloning.

It would also need quite a broad definition of 'cloning'! Not really. Male-to-female cloning is very viable.

The new Darth Vader type bad guy looked too much like Steve Coogan to be taken seriously.
Kylo Ren...

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1) Another Death Star - just bigger and built around a sun. Great! How does it end up snowy with a sun as your space stations core?

Aside from Adam Driver. So the other two then...

Four: Admiral Hux, Supreme Leader Snoke, Rey and Finn all British actors

I thought the not-a-death-star-honest harnessed the power of a nearby sun, not an internal one? Was I not paying attention properly?

Aye but they had to store the energy of a whole sun inside

Yes, that may be but remember our own planets core is as hot as the surface of the sun, thats before you get into any thermal containment they will have added on.

An AGR reactor goes from ~550 deg C to 30 deg C in the space of literally a few centimetres of steel plating, rock wool and one inch bore water pipes, it's hardly high science.

2nd one is apparently written up not jj directing this time

Did anyone notice that the Rebel helmet that Rey was looking at wistfully when she was sat by the wreckage of the AT-AT was Luke's?

Also... 3PO's red arm. Does that mean that he has spent some time in the company of The First Order?

And finally... First Order TIE Fighter with action figure are now only £20 at Tesco. It is however worth noting that they are too big to put on your desk at work 😳

Of course there were lots of old re-hashes..... Kind of hard in a homage not to have them.

But like to think (hope) that the death of Han was a signal if intent.... Out with the old and in with the new.

She could be Obi-Wan's daughter, because ol' Ben Kenobi wasn't such a bachelor boy after all