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Sort of countering Lunge and Mogrim (and since I raised it initially) I'll admit I'm a fan of gait analysis but I'll also completely admit I've had good and bad experiences, so I can see why others might not be convinced.
I started with an analysis because, after coming back from injury, the shoes I'd used previously were no longer working for me, blistering in my arches very badly. I went to see a trusted contact and, after a very thorough analysis, what he said and what he recommended made sense and worked for me, I didn't just feel like I was being pushed to what they might get extra commission on. That said, I've also had the opposite feeling with a bigger chain running shop since where their conclusion couldn't have been wider of the mark for how I run, and was completely at odds with my understanding of my own running. If I'd gone with their recommendation I would likely have wasted my money and, while I probably wouldn't have injured myself, it could have been a setback in something I'll admit I struggle to enjoy at the best of times.
The slow build approach, warming up and down and some stretching (I do a 1hr yoga/stretching session once or twice a week) should see you right either way.
You’ll now be told by others to learn to run properly and buy a pair of zero-drop, minimalist shoes
That way a ****ed Achilles lies, if my limited experience is anything to go by... 🙂
Fab way to spend an hour with Ricky Gates running across America:
Started the Garmin connect 5k running plan earlier in the week. Did the benchmark run which was just 2 min warm up then 5 min run and 2 min warm down and managed to run for the 5 mins although the last minute was a struggle. The next 2 sessions it’s given me is 3x 5 min runs with 2 min walk between each. I felt that was too much too soon as I’m really conscious of injuring myself again. So I’ve ditched that plan and started the standard c25k plan. I’ve started from week 1 as I want to really build up slowly unlike last time.
It’s seems a bit too easy as it’s 8x 60 secs run and 90 secs walk, but better that than not being able to walk in a couple of weeks.
Nice one muggomagic.
Careful with c25k, I've injured before on that.
I think the problem is that with such short runs and loads of rest s it can almost become like doing intervals.
If you have the CV fitness already, and you're just not used to running, then you can end up going too fast too soon. That's at least as bad as going too far too soon. It's designed to take you from "couch", and most cyclists aren't coming from there.
Running further slower worked better for me, but everyone's got to find their own balance.
Ex runner turned jogger here. We've been running c25k courses at our club for over 8 years now and ^^^^ what they all said.
It does start easy and we have occasionally dropped w1 (e.g. when otherwise the end of the course would be on Boxing Day and something had to be done!) as we've found that people of all shapes and sizes can start at week 3 and still be fine.
I'm now not entirely sure I'm fit enough to lead a course as I've only just got back to 3x5k /week and am v v ploddy. KOKO
Anyone do the Virtual London Marathon today? While out on the bike I noticed lots of runners around and I thought there must be a race on and saw a drinks point, but some seemed to be running a different course to others. Looked at Strava flybys and lots of 26 mile runs and then one title explained it all.
Yeah, I saw loads out as well.
Inspired me a little, may have to do my own next weekend!
I did it.
Owe a bunch of thanks to you guys on here too, all the advice and tips really helped in getting me to the start line. It's one of the best threads on this place, proper inclusive and supportive.
I needed to have a plan that worked in order to have a crack at doing it.
In the end, wind and weather blew in and I had to change it all last minute, but by then the commitment was there so it worked out fine.
I ran it for Macmillan Cancer Support because they've been great for me this year. I can post a link if anyone wants to sponsor me.
Got 3.58.44 official time.
Well pleased.
Awesome work loum, brilliant effort and sneaking a sub-4 too.
Well done loum. 😃
Well done! I can only dream of that distance! Sub 4 without a crowd cheering you on is impressive.
I was amused to receive this text yesterday
A personal worst by over 10 hours! This was despite:
a) not entering the virtual race
b) not running a marathon distance on Sunday
🙂 🙂 🙂
Good effort Turbo, solid pace!!!!!
The streak reaches 200 days. Lovely.
The streak reaches 200 days. Lovely.
Fair play. Are you aiming for a full year or just keep going?
Not sure yet, just keep going and see how it goes. It's weirdly been helped by having no big events this year so I haven't had to take days off to taper.
Unrelated, VaporFly's are back in stock for Nike members. Please buy the size 12's before I do...
I've had to vastly reduce my running due to hip problems after the Marathons. It took almost a month of rest to be able to run/walk 5k without significant pain and whilst I'm back up to 10k now and would like to push for a Half this month, I'm down to 2 runs per week (a 10k and a 5k) and a lot more riding instead.
Stay safe folks.
Anyone else have longer middle toes than big toes. Rub like buggery. Do I need to size up or go wide toe box or both?
Damn my freaky feet 😀
A really interesting podcast here for those interested in the controversial development of shoes, particularly the Nike project. Contains lots of interesting analysis. Begs the question that if you are a competitive road runner why would you not race in these shoes, or one of the other branded equivalents being developed. Sara Hall finished 2nd in London recently with a prototype shoe with a very large stack height, likely to be used to contain some form of carbon plate.
This shoe breakthrough is much more than marketing hype and has changed the sport so much that there is discussion around placing an asterisk against the records set in them.
A subject made even more relevant given the incredible performances last night by Gidey and Cheptegi to break the world 5 and 10000m world records in new Nike spikes.
The Shoe that changed running forever
@paulneenan76 - I have the same. On my right foot it's the second toe but on my left the third.
With the shoes I find it's dependant on the show itself. Some are naturally wider and some are narrow and some are true to size and some aren't. Another factor to consider is whether your feet are gripped well enough by the heel cup or whether they slide forward, this can be exacerbated running down hill.
A heel lock lacing is pretty effective at stopping your foot moving forward so that might be worth considering. Secondly a shoe that is wide enough for your foot, not necessarily a wide fitting shoe and finally maybe go up half a size.
I usually wear Adidas Adios and have done for a while. In the 3's I needed to up a half size but in the 4s and 5s I can get away with the true size. For trail shoes I need to up half a size in Inov8s but I can stay true to size in Nike. It's a minefield!
What alanf says - I've got a longer second toe, and use a heel lock lacing pattern to stop the shoes moving forward and rubbing. I also generally buy shoes with a slightly wider forefoot. I'm not going to recommend shoes as they vary widely - for example unlike Alanf the Adidas I bought on sale rub terribly if I try to do more than 10k in them...
It really is about what fits your feet and what you're comfortable wearing. Also maybe worth considering is the socks you wear. I find that some socks with noticeable stitched areas around the toes can give me horrendous blisters if the sock bunches up a little and the lump at the end of the stitching sits in the wrong place. I try and wear thinner socks without noticeable seems which seems to work for me.
It is a minefield and you think you have found the perfect shoe and then the company goes and 'updates' them and they are no longer perfect so the quest begins again!
Good luck....
There was a shoe in the 80's called the LDV (Nike)
They ceased production but Steve Cram liked them (he was the world mile record holder and World 1500m champion)
Nike continued to make them for him but changed the colourway so they looked like the most recent shoe.
Right, that’s that done. 50k ultra in the bag. 5:19, but not hilly. Tarmac for last 15km so feet were crucified and had to hobble/run to end. Bloody did it though. Never thought I could. Thanks all for this thread that offers a lot of inspiration.
Great stuff - my legs felt rubbish this afternoon, and that was on a 10k! 50k, bloody hell.
Wow, well done root-n-5th. 😃
I did a race yesterday!
Just a wee (covid-safe) club organised thing up a Corbett above Loch Maree but great fun despite the fairly awful weather. Had a good tussle with a couple of the lads and I'd forgotten how much fun a bit of competition is. Legs feeling it today though!
^ 👍😃
Nice one @spin. I feel races might be few and far between in the months to come.
Have been avoiding this thread as I have barely run since Jan (ankle sprain, Spanish lockdown...) but I think it's time to start up again. What has been nice is the total lack of niggles, saved $$$ on physio too. I'll have to build up to it, but looking to run a couple of 10ks a week with a mountain run at weekends. Started last Sunday - walk up, trot down, I'll see how it goes...
Nice one @spin. I feel races might be few and far between in the months to come.
I think that was my first race for a year. Think my last was last year's Ben Nevis race.
Nope, I tell a lie, OMM 2019 at the end of October was the last so not quite a year.
Breaking news ...
George Foster of Ambleside AC has just completed the second fastest ever Bob Graham Round in a remarkable 13:44
Wow.
Yep, amazing stuff. It also highlights how fast Billy Bland was in 1982 as grapefruit was only 9 minutes faster. Jornet on another planet though!
Here's the current ten fastest Rounds:
+------+-----------------------+------+------+---------+------------+-----------+-------------------+--------+--------+
| pos | name | age | year | started | Round time | direction | Qualifying round | gender | season |
+------+-----------------------+------+------+---------+------------+-----------+-------------------+--------+--------+
| 1 | Kilian Jornet Burgada | 30 | 2018 | 06:00 | 12:52 | Clockwise | Qualifying | Male | Summer |
| 2 | George Foster | 34 | 2020 | 05:00 | 13:44 | Clockwise | Second/subsequent | Male | Summer |
| 3 | Billy Bland | 35 | 1982 | 00:00 | 13:53 | Clockwise | Second/subsequent | Male | Summer |
| 4 | Ryan Smith | 0 | 2017 | 04:00 | 14:17 | Clockwise | Ineligible* | Male | Summer |
| 5 | Robert Jebb | 41 | 2016 | 05:00 | 14:30 | Clockwise | Qualifying | Male | Summer |
| 6 | Beth Pascall | 32 | 2020 | 05:00 | 14:34 | Clockwise | Qualifying | Female | Summer |
| 7 | Mark Hartell | 0 | 1999 | NULL | 14:54 | Clockwise | Qualifying | Male | Summer |
| 8 | Stuart Bland | 36 | 1982 | 05:00 | 14:56 | Clockwise | Qualifying | Male | Summer |
| 9 | Mark Palmer | 47 | 2011 | 04:00 | 14:59 | Clockwise | Qualifying | Male | Summer |
| 10 | Jon Duncan | 41 | 2017 | 05:00 | 14:59 | Clockwise | Qualifying | Male | Summer |
+------+-----------------------+------+------+---------+------------+-----------+-------------------+--------+--------+
Ryan Smith ran part of his Round solo hence ineligible for Club membership.
Grapefruit? Sorry, I typed George!
Just to put it in perspective of us mortals, kilian jornet’s averageboace over his round was 4:34/km. George was an hour slower, but must have still been going at a phenomenal pace.
Had it confirmed as a stress fracture on my femur femoral neck. Although a bit lost as they couldn't tell me how long recovered time would be. All I know it was showing as a stress fracture at the time of the MRI. I miss running.
@j4mesj4mes sorry to hear the news, certainly not what any runner wants to hear. Typical stress fractures take 6-8 weeks to heal, and generally they are as good as they were before after healing. This is certainly preferable to some soft tissue injuries which can take much longer and leave you with a long-term weakness which is prone to subsequent damage.
Can anyone recommend running shoes with no arch support?
I have flat feet and find trainers with arch supports become painful to run in.
I’ve tried some Saucony Omni iso2’s and Brooks Transcend 7 but have had to send them back as the arches are too high.
https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a25750345/running-shoes-flat-feet/
Some ideas if you haven’t seen this article already.