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cold brew, new thing for people to hate
Yeah, it sounds revolting. To my mind you could make the same thing by not using boiling water when making fresh coffee, like any sensible person. Though I'm odd with things that should be hot or cold, I can't drink chocolate milkshakes because in my head it's chocolate milkshake left to go cold, so I'm probably not the greatest judge,
Thought I'd try this as it sounded nice, but after I'd squeezed the lemon in I couldn't get the water out
Well, I laughed.
Should NHS entitlement carry a degree of responsibility to not be too fat? Particularly for those enormous fatties on the social.
Where do 'lifestyle' health issues start and finish?
Smoking?
Alcoholism?
STD's?
I don't see Asda (and its Walmart parent in the USA) or Tesco wanting to educate their customers to eat more heathily, becaue that would mean buying more basic ingredients, cooking them at home, and spending less money.
Waitrose have loads of pre-prepared ingredients like stock, vegetable base etc. Even Asda have a good range of things like roast or stir fry kits that are just raw veg prepped and you just cook.
I'm presuming someone has pointed out Tam Fry works for Coca Cola and his job is to flog Coke Zero?
Is there any evidence for this? I struggle to believe that it could have any significant affect (if any at all) when the more logical reasons would be:
https://phys.org/news/2017-02-experts-european-limits-ability-endocrine.html
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/search/google-cse#gsc.q=endocrine disruptors
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35111241
Those links claim that there is research backing up their claims, but obviously I don't have the time to check this and no idea of the legitimacy of the people referred to. Could you give a brief explanation of the mechanism in which they work? i.e. These chemicals have a significant affect on the recent growth in obesity. Could they for example be used in cases of faminine/food shortage??? I am confused.
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Persevere gauss1777, or get a bigger glass.
Has anyone mentioned sleep deprivation being part of the problem, as per that program on BBC last night?
I think that the rise of the supermarkets and 'convenience shops' has played a part in the increase in obesity, possibly more so than the food industry manufacturers.
It is not as if supermarkets are exclusive to the UK.....
I live in Germany, spend lots of time in other European countries. I'm not saying that you don't see fat folks there, but they are much fewer and far between than in the U.K.....
Brits are generally lazy shits, choosing the car over walking or - god forbid - walking to the bus stop. They eat fat covered shit far too often; pies, fry ups, Chinese takeaways, chips etc.... all great in moderation. But far too few people indulge in moderation.
I'm laughed at by my own family for riding my bike 2 miles into town to buy shoes.... at home in Germany I wouldn't think twice about riding 6 miles across town for a few beers with friends.
Most Brits are lazy. People drive a few hundred yards to the park to walk their shit machines....?!?!!!!
The road near the school is a frigging nightmare come 3:15 as all the mums turn up to collect their kids...
It sucks penis big time that people don't see themselves as part of the problem. Just recently one of my cousins was complaining that it took her over an hour to cover the four miles across town to pick up her daughter due to the traffic... you are the traffic and part of the problem!!!
Tax the crap out of sugary drinks and food.
Make people pay for the privilege of driving through town centres at peak times.
Install gps boxes the penalise short car journeys....
Something draconian needs to be done as the public are too dumb and ignorant to initiate anything on their own accord...
They may all be lazy but at least they are not bitter...
Good point above about sleep deprivation.
Due to a propensity to have high blood sugar levels if not careful my daily food regime is as follows.
Breakfast consists of my own mix of multi seed high fibre porridge with half a banana chopped prunes and blueberries.
10am snack full fat Greek yogurt with some seeds and nuts.
Lunch lump of chicken and salad ( no carbs)
Tea is meat and veg ( no white rice pasta or potatoes) then nothing till next breakfast. I do eat a lot of eggs these days. No cakes or biscuits and nothing with added sugar only naturally occurring sugars. Probably eat more fat than I ever have but not hydrolysed fat or processed with sugar. Cut my carbs down to about 25% of what they where. Lost 5 stone very quickly and seem to be able to maintain it. For me it's carbs and sugar that are the problem. You can't exercise off a crap diet.
So it's laziness, fast food, sugary drinks, sedentary lifestyles, cars, sleep deprivation, excess calories and what else exactly? Unfortunately for internet forum victory it's a combination of multiple factors compounded by bad science and bad dietary advice, a lot of which seems to be constantly regurgitated here regularly.
I would advise anyone who is actually curious about understanding the process of weight gain, diet and obesity to read The Case Against Sugar by Gary Taubes, and follow Peter Attila's blog at http://eatingacademy.com . Take a listen to Attila's Ted Talk if you want a summary.
There needs to be a balance struck by fatty shaming (which can make the problem worse) and the it's all thyroid, endocrine what evers, supermarkets, big Pharmacy conspiracies and definitely not my fault stand point.
Companies produce shit because people want it and pay for it, ditto supermarkets etc. It's not a big conspiracy.
I've lost a stone and half this year, how? By more careful eating and exercise, I've done it before and put it back on, this time I'm not following any diet, faddy or otherwise, just being more careful with what I eat and riding my bike, walking upstairs. This time I'm trying to change my attitude to healthy living through changed behaviour, I want to get away from my own self perception of being an overweight lazy slob which is what I was to one of the people who takes the stairs in a multi storey car park not the lift, someone who chose a salad in a restaurant (occaisionally) and look s forward to it arriving, had a really nice one in Giraffe the other weekend.
In short I'm trying to change how I perceive myself, it's been hard but not as hard as following a calorie controlled diet was a few years ago. That worked well but the moment I stopped it balloon city again. We need people to accept whilst it may or may not be their fault they're fat (in 95% of cases it is) only they can do something about it.
There needs to be a balance struck by fatty shaming (which can make the problem worse) and the it's all thyroid, endocrine what evers, supermarkets, big Pharmacy conspiracies and definitely not my fault stand point.
Balance? How about people getting properly treated as well as optimally medicated?
stumpyjon - MemberWe need people to accept whilst it may or may not be their fault they're fat (in 95% of cases it is) only they can do something about it.
What if that's almost impossible to do effectively, even with the best will in the world due to a massive maze of conflicting information and misinformation?
Is a person really to blame for struggling to control their weight-loss when "healthy, low fat" options are crammed with sugar, upping their insulin and increasing their fat retention?
Companies produce shit because people want it and pay for it, ditto supermarkets etc. It's not a big conspiracy.
How about folk on low income or benefits only being able to afford 'shit' food cos it's cheaper?
Companies produce shit because people want it and pay for it, ditto supermarkets etc. It's not a big conspiracy.
Not quite. They produce shit because it is cheaper for them and a better way to make a profit. Supermarkets are then complicit by helping to promote it above fresh fruit and veg,
Not a conspiracy, just another downside of capitalism.
The UK can be quite a toxic place in comparison to other countries:
High Levels of Pollution
Regulations that favour business.
High stress to stay solvent
Strong car culture
Poor weather
Percieved levels of violence.
Its my experience though that other EU countries make more rationalle decisions in the interest of the general population rather than businesses.
at our current place of work in the canteen a bowl of porridge is £1. i can get a fry and coffee for the same price.
at our current place of work in the canteen a bowl of porridge is £1. i can get a fry and coffee for the same price.
500 gram pack of Scottish porridge oats from Sainsbury's for 80p. Please tell the Canteen Manager to sort out their pricing!
@ wilburt - some pertinent points raised. Which EU country/countries in your opinion get it right?
Let's not overstate the difference:
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Yes, we are a bit ahead, but it's not like this isn't a significant problem also affecting most of the western world
I've skimmed over this thread so apologies if this is repeated but I spotted earlier the old chestnut 'teach them how to live properly in school'. My understanding is that school is for formal, academic education not 'don't get run over/ brush your teeth' kind of education which is a parent's role. Teaching in a tough, socially deprived area I see the effect of neglectful parenting every day. Kids show up to school with an Apple Watch but breakfast is a bag of chocolate buttons and a lucozade. Parents equate commodity with success and love with material wealth. They don't stop their kids eating crap all day because that would require some kind of engagement with their kids beyond buying them aspirational lifestyle tat.
Teachers, leave them kids alone, I've got enough to get through with Gove's legacy of 'teach 'em what I learned in school' to parent them too.
I don't think those numbers tell the whole story and nearly 10% of the population is a significant number of people.
I'm thinking of Spain and France primarily but I've also spent time in countries with climates more like ours Germany and Norway that both seem more people focused. Business matters but its but more consideration is given to people.
Maybe if I lived there I would see more of their irrational side.
How about folk on low income or benefits only being able to afford 'shit' food cos it's cheaper?
That's a myth. Healthy food is just as affordable, sure it won't be organic and artisan but good healthy cheap meals are perfectly possible.
Indeed, bought potatoes, cheese, tuna and a bag of mixed salad the other day for a couple of quid.
Allowed me to make a couple of meals, far cheaper than buying junk filled ready meals each day or takeaways instead.
It's nonsense that you can't eat healthily cheaply.
Eat less, move more....how many athletes are obese?....as said in one of the first posts, nobody left Belsen overweight....i've been slammed before for using that as an example but it rings true albeit in an extreme version of the 'eat less, move more' maxim....those poor barstards were used for forced/hard labour and given meagre rations....guess what?...they weren't obese.
Jesus Christ this isn't rocket science, it's often hard to do and that's the real problem, people tend to take the path of least resistance which is the reason behind the obesity crisis these days and only individuals can fix it.
Asking a government to stop you being fat is like me blaming the government for something in my life I have control and responsibility over...utterly pointless, denial and trying to shift blame.
Jesus Christ this isn't rocket science
Actually the science of exactly what happens to what we put in our mouths is quite complicated and not fully understood.
ninfan's map above does give lie to this perception that we have that we're the only fatties in Europe. By and large, when most of STW travels to Europe, we're going on very middle class holidays - often activity based and as such will be mixing with other middle class people, in middle-class locations with other middle class Europeans. So, it's less likely we'll encounter fatties, as it is predominantly the working classes that suffer most from high obesity levels.
How many of us go shopping in the French or Spanish supermarkets in sink estates in those countries?
Yes, we are a bit ahead
To be fair, we're more than a "bit" ahead of a lot of those countries.
As to whether it's cheaper to cook from fresh or buy ready meals, it differs a lot depending on what you're buying. Anything involving buying one of the healthiest meats, fish (mackerel aside) is bloody expensive. Just had a browse on Iceland's site; family sized lasagne (1.6kg) £3!! Try making 1.6kg of lasagne for £3. Bakery products - i can get a rhubarb pie in my local Sainsbury's for a quid sometimes. Cakes are nearly always cheaper to buy pre-made than cook from first principles.
Is 'junk' food inherently bad for you, or is it that people eat too much of it?
Skimmed from 1 to 5, but don't fancy the extra taxation route on foods deemed unhealthy. As someone with an active job and what would appear to be a relatively high metabolism, I can already eat as much as a fatty, the difference is they don't have anywhere near the same level of activity. Sure it's already been mentioned, but calories in should match calories out, not eclipse them. Yes, certain foodgroups have other effects, but that is a good starting point.
As to how to address it, who knows, it's a willing/ignorant life choice.
That's a myth. Healthy food is just as affordable, sure it won't be organic and artisan but good healthy cheap meals are perfectly possible.
I guess there's the 'value' meat items which would help but am thinking if you have children that include boys who eat for England then it can become a challenge! Don't forget an hour later they're hungry again! Certainly cooking casseroles and stews where everything goes in the oven will reduce gas or electricity consumption.
Quite a challenge I think.
Friends of mine lived on £1 of food/drink per day for a month to see what challenges it brought (the difference between what they spent and what they normally spent went to a local food bank). It turned out that frozen oven chips were cheaper than potatoes.
Doesn't make sense.
[quote=richmars ]Is 'junk' food inherently bad for you, or is it that people eat too much of it?
Both
Junk food is a pejorative term for cheap food containing high levels of calories from sugar or fat with little fibre, protein, vitamins or minerals.
Doesn't make sense.
Of course it does. You just have to think in terms of scale of production, transport, supermarket space etc.
Where can we find a load of overweight cake loving people to trial that experiment?
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When I still lived in the Lakes I worked as a Scaffolder. Four days out of five I bike 14 miles to work and back, the fifth day I did the shopping for my dad so took the car. When I got home I'd go for at least a ten mile run or in summer go into the Lakes to do some climbing, in winter I'd also head to the gym. Let's just say I was pretty active! I could eat just about what I wanted.
Move on thirty years and now like most I'm sat at a computer for work, I'll bike to work two or three days a week - it's 13 miles each way, I don't go to the gym or get out climbing. Add in middle age and the natural reduction in muscle mass, etc. and I've got my work cut out keeping my weight down regardless of what I stuff in my face.
My favourite telly doctor is on tomorrow night - Rangan Chatterjee will be Doctor in the House on BBC1.
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There's a school in Scotland where they take the kids out each day and they have to do laps around the grounds until they have done a mile and some other schools have adopted the idea. It doesn't matter how they do their mile run, walk, jog, etc.
Apparently there's very few fat kids there, and the kids are better behaved in class.
Seems a simple remedy.
I'll admit I haven't read every post on every page, but I think th views and opinions posted DO make for interesting reading!
I've been working recently with some voluntary and healthy living sector 'people', and the work they do has been very interesting for me.
It seems obvious, but until it was pointed out I hadn't fully acknowledged; if you cut funding to schools then you create a public health backlash several years down the line. The pupils are less educated, so lead less healthy lives, and are fatter and more unhealthy.
This worries me. A lot.
Additionally, though I acknowledge health complaints and certain medications (steroids, antipsychotics) can account for under 10% of excess weight, clearly the other 90% could be addressed by dietary modification.
It's easy to say - eat less. But I'm not saying that's easy to do...there's so many social/psychological factors as to why people over eat that you can't just address it with a simple statement.
The physics is easy, then reality is harder!
I really do think, though, that PARENTS need to toughen the f*€k up on their kids and simply BAN them from buying horrendous sugar and 'stuff' filled energy drinks.
Ban them,
My son is lean as a rake - I'd rather he tell me he had a quick fag than had a can of monster etc etc (at the age of 7, either event would be a bad mark against me.....!!).
I popped to the local shops today (walked, FYI) with the kids. A very fat young lad, about 10, was coming out eating a multi pack of chocolate bars.
That's why he's fat. Because on a Sunday evening his parent let him eat a multi pack of cholcolate. And on a Monday it'll be crisps. And Tuesday is pie night.... I'd bet any money his parents are fat too.
Anyway, it's a huge issue that is rapidly overtaking various other illnesses to take podium at th 'what will kill the nation the most' awards....
DrP
(Breakfast was 2 crumpets, lunch was a dirty burger and chips at a local gastro pub...no tea..not hungry.... ooh, check me out!)
When you look at the number of calories in a burger and chips, it's almost the entire daily calorie requirement for a woman, and yet they are surprisingly unsatisfying.
#womenshouldnoteatburgerandchips