[Closed] The National Obesity Forum?

Agreed on The Road to Wigan Pier. I'll have to read the rest now.

I used to think so, but consider the success rate for those who lose weight keeping it off long term. Something like 90%+ will put it all back on and often more. The feel good factor in losing the weight and the distraction from other issues whilst losing it (ie exercising, taking up new sport etc) rarely lasts. This is because the underlying mental health issues are never addressed and once down to a healthy weight the realisation that they are still not happy kicks in and the eating ramps back up.

It's complex rene but it's possible that people are not getting adequate amounts of vitamins and minerals. Not easy to get tested on the NHS and the the RDA guidance can be set too low, obviously not wanting to prescribe which is fair enough.

I don't know what happened years ago when Brits did this work...

Kids had long summer holidays, less adults sat on their arses in call centers, people went hungry when they didn't have a job?

People were thin?

Bloody EU IS to blame for everything.

Bloody EU IS to blame for everything.

As some bloke being interviewed said, once we're out they can open the coal mines again and Yorkshire will return to full employment.

Mind you, with everyone going back down the pit, they'll be even less people free to pick Turnips.

Can't be fat down't pit?

I'm increasingly certain we need to burn our computers and

I don't know what happened years ago when Brits did this work but what I don't understand is what happens when the seasonal work has ended.

You go onto different seasonal work.

You can tie hops in spring, then pick soft fruit, then hay, then whatever else is in season.

A lot of this work is done by youngsters, students or people whose partners work regular jobs.

Problem is once we've lynched / expelled all the migrants who do the actual work; who is going to do the farming on our farms? I can't see your average UKIPer digging up Turnips...

most of the migrant work-force in "Food Manufacture" aren't working on farms (many are for sure), but most are working in factories making pies, slaughtering chickens, making sandwiches etc etc...

A lot of this work is done by youngsters, students or people whose partners work regular jobs.

Are you sure?

I've been reliably informed* its all done by 'migrant Nazi scum, coming over here, taking our jobs, defiling Diana's memory and bringing the NHS to it's knees'....

Also something about buggering Keith Richards, or possibly that was another article.....

*Daily Express / Mail

Can't be fat down't pit?

I'm increasingly certain we need to burn our computers and

And what? You've set fire to yours too early, I need to know!

So what have people done and eaten today? Breakfast of ham and cheese on toast with orange juice then I accompanied Madame to work on foot, played guitar, swam 50 minutes and followed with lunch of a banana, slice of bread and ham, and salad of lettuce, red pepper, celery and grated carrot.

You go onto different seasonal work.

You can tie hops in spring, then pick soft fruit, then hay, then whatever else is in season.

A lot of this work is done by youngsters, students or people whose partners work regular jobs.

mol - I was assuming that this would be the main job for the full-time breadwinner as due to the location of farms there wasn't much else around. Women were in the kitchen all day preserving seasonal produce where possible.

So what have people done and eaten today?

Are you asking for a willy waving contest or something Ed?

mol - I was assuming that this would be the main job for the full-time breadwinner as due to the location of farms there wasn't much else around. Women were in the kitchen all day preserving seasonal produce where possible.

100 years ago maybe. I'm talking about 20 years ago.

graemecsl - Member

the airline industry could start charging everyone who flies by their total weight including baggage thereby not penalising those of us who work hard to maintain their weight at acceptable levels in spite of the temptations of beer, chocolate and white death rolls..

I generally try not to be horrible and judgemental, but this is one that definitely gets past my defences- every time i get on a plane with a bike, paying a stack of extra money for it, there'll be some dude on the plane who weighs more than me and my luggage combined. switch flipped, every time...

Interesting that you see it like that, Molgrips. Is it so unusual to be moderately active and eat enough but not too much?

So what have people done and eaten today?

admit to having done sod all today - but I am overweight, and am at least trying to do something about it (again) - fortunately I've eaten less than 1200 calories every day for the last week and its going well.

(ps, in reality, its all fairly simple, years of battling this proves that every time I stop eating shite, I lose weight, every time I eat shite, I put it on, so I'd suggest that although emotions, mental health, lifestyle, activity etc. all play a really important part, the [b]real[/b] answer to this whole thing is to make it a lot more difficult to eat shite)

Interesting that you see it like that, Molgrips. Is it so unusual to be moderately active and eat enough but not too much?

No - it's virtue signalling. As in, look at me, look how healthy I am, I'm so much better than the fatties.

I've eaten less than 1200 calories every day for the last week and its going well

Advice would be to do that whilst you can and it works, but move to a more sustainable method before it gets too difficult and you throw the towel in.

there'll be some dude on the plane who weighs more than me and my luggage combined. switch flipped, every time...

aye, and a 6 year old with no baggage allownace being charged the full amount for a seat...

No - it's virtue signalling.

+1

i've been "working from home" I've eaten:

slice of toast with jam and butter
a cheese sandwich (I made the bread myself and it was slightly stale)
finished off some greek yog with raspberries and a handful of blueberries
had some cold brewed coffee as well, but spat most of it out again as it was terrible (does that count).

Cold brewed coffee?

Bullet proof coffee is where it's at (apparently).

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2014/sep/09/coffee-cold-brew-hot-new-thing ]cold brew, new thing for people to hate[/url]

nickc was it proper Greek yoghurt? It's important to display your virtues properly.

I had a cup of coffee and a glass of water with a lemon squeezed into it.
Cycled 45k to work
Rice and beans, 2 boiled eggs and a handful of fruit and nuts for breakfast.
2 satsumas, 2 bananas and an apple.
Tin of tuna and some kale and quinoa salad thing from Waitrose for Lunch.

Bulletproof coffee is alright if you put Coconut oil in it. Just butter and it tastes like doodoo.

Take yourself back to the i-Dave threads, Molgrips. Why were you so positive about peoples effort on there but on here it's "willy waving", "virtue signalling" and negative?

Fad diets get your approval but the Mediterranean diet people having been living healthily on for centuries brings out the green-eyed monster.

And what if it were as easy as only putting things in your supermarket trolley that correspond to the eating patterns you aspire to?

edit *opens chemical filled sugary yogurt as the nice ones had sold out after the bank holiday* 🙁

edit 2 my error was going to Lidl I where the healthy yogurts are popular, if I'd gone to Lidl S the sugary ones would have sold out.

yep, was Fage (how it it pronouced BTW) 🙄

Maybe 'Virtue Signalling' is part of the strategy to combat obesity?
It may be more positive than fat-shaming?

I think it's clear from most of the input on here that a fundamental shift in the nations attitude and the building blocks of our lifestyles will be necessary to stop the epidemic.

Thanks for the link nick, did you make your own?

Skimmed milk latte
Porridge with raisins
Small portion of raisins and bit of flapjack halfway round short ride (Strava says 1,200 calories, but I suspect it's lying to me)
Smoothie with 2 bananas, frozen fruit and milk
Two chunks of malt loaf with butter

Just gearing up for gammon and chips for tea. 😀

Trouble is, that's an OKish day but more usually I'll sit at a desk all day and scoff biscuits then have a big bowl of Cheerios sitting in front of the telly.

Well if you are looking for a strategy it's a good to take note of what people do who don't have a problem. A photo of i-Dave told me he hd a problem. Swimming in the local pool over lunchtime it was clear people there didn't have a problem.

I think it's clear from most of the input on here that a fundamental shift in the nations attitude and the building blocks of our lifestyles will be necessary to stop the epidemic.

It's a complex problem due to so many factors and a challenge to fix. An example of what we can do is to scrutinise planning applications for new housing. I did this a year or so ago by noticing the proposed cycle lanes only served the new housing, I wrote to the developers and pointed out that their blurb was disingenuous and did nothing to facilitate residents cycling to school, work, doctors surgery etc etc. as no improvements were being made to the road that served the estate. It just encouraged more journeys by car.

brekkie :toast
Dinner - full roast dinner
Pudding : cinnamon roll
Snacks: couple of biscuits, some dates, apple some grapes
tea: Soup and garlic bread

Calorie intake no idea rode last night riding tomorrow - about 8 hours total i assume.

Still going to be a scale busting 67kg as i have been since adulthood

Is this virtue signalling I have no idea nor do i care

Eat better and use up the calories you do consume or just accept you like food and the consequence is a bit of extra weight, please dont constantly moan and not do anything about it.

NOT AIMED AT MOLLY TO BE VERY CLEAR

Dinner - full roast dinner

as full as it gets for me 😛

Nut roast obvs

So what have people done and eaten today?

Breakfast: Muesli with apple squash instead of milk. Pint of coffee.

Lunch: Whatever the cooked special is at the cafe on the industrial estate (today is was a pulled pork burger with potato wedges) + a large fruit juice, diet coke, and a Rocky Road for an afternoon snack.

Dinner: dunno yet. Possibly steak.

Evening: it's a Thursday so I'll be walking down to the pub for a pint or 6.

Exercise: Chuff all. I'm at work sat at a desk all day, and annoyingly I have to commute by car at the moment. I did go for a couple of mile walk at lunchtime to enjoy the sun and get some fresh air though. Step counter says I've only done ~6000 steps so far.

As in, look at me, look how healthy I am, I'm so much better than the fatties.

But what's the problem with that? In the context of this thread he is better than the 'fatties'.

TBH I think if this was a different poster you probably wouldn't have a problem. IIRC someone called for some body images Edukator posted of himself to be removed. Smacks of jealousy to me...

Junkyard » NOT AIMED AT MOLLY TO BE VERY CLEAR

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See, Molgrips, your sensitivity on the whole diet issue is becoming legendary. 😉

"and a glass of water with a lemon squeezed into it."

Thought I'd try this as it sounded nice, but after I'd squeezed the lemon in I couldn't get the water out 😉

nicks: "fifeandy, I have to say your post is ill-informed. You probs don't burn all that much extra calories by cycling (humans are pretty good at adaption to exercise)"

Hmm, this sounds like bobbins to me. What evidence is there that humans can adapt to exercise such that they do not need extra calories to cycle? What do you mean by "all that much?

cinnamon girl:

I believe a large part of the reason why we're seeing an obesity epidemic is due to endocrine disruptors as well as an increasing number of people taking multiple medications.

whitestone -
In a very short (in evolutionary terms) period we've gone from:

predominately physical jobs to predominantly sedentary ones
active means of transport to motorised ones
home cooked food to mass produced food
active pastimes to sedentary ones
increased labour saving devices

Why were you so positive about peoples effort on there but on here it's "willy waving", "virtue signalling" and negative?

Fad diets get your approval but the Mediterranean diet people having been living healthily on for centuries brings out the green-eyed monster.

Those threads were about cyclists trying to lose weight and sharing advice. How you (specifically) eat is relevant there.

This thread is about the obesity epidemic in society. How you personally eat is not relevant to this thread. But you jumped in anyway and asked other people to compare themselves to you. That makes it look like you are showing off about how healthy you are. It's called virtue signalling.

I approve of the Mediterranean diet and general healthy eating.

How you personally eat is not relevant to this thread. But you jumped in anyway and asked other people to compare themselves to you. That makes it look like you are showing off about how healthy you are. It's called virtue signalling.

Should NHS entitlement carry a degree of responsibility to not be too fat? Particularly for those enormous fatties on the social.

I think that the rise of the supermarkets and 'convenience shops' has played a part in the increase in obesity, possibly more so than the food industry manufacturers.

40 years ago food was simply relatively more expensive and accounted for a much higher percentage of peoples' incomes, so less money was available for food 'treats'. Moreover, it was not so readily or easily available: no shops open after 5.00pm, or on Sunday, and fewer people had cars and so could only buy what they could carry home or to the bus stop.

Improvements in production, efficiencies of scale, and supply chain management have had both positive and negative effects: the cost of basic healthy foods and ingredients has reduced and they have become more easily and widely available (especially fruit and vegetables), but so have cakes, biscuits, sweets, snacks and ready meals with high quantities of salt, fat etc. The supermarkets have a strong vested interest in the sale of processed foods instead of ingredients: there is more added value (profit) in cakes, snacks and ready meals than in flour, sugar, raw fish/meat, vegetables and fruit, and also more scope to reduce costs/increase profits in those added value product lines. Supermarkets have also been very clever about store layout to maximise sales of those lines, e.g. sweets at the checkout to exploit children's pester power.

There is an Asda near me where I was shocked when I first used it, because the vast majority of customers is significantly overweight (itself a problem: fat people see large numbers of other fat people around them and consider themselves normal as a result). I don't see Asda (and its Walmart parent in the USA) or Tesco wanting to educate their customers to eat more heathily, becaue that would mean buying more basic ingredients, cooking them at home, and spending less money.

This isn't simply a matter of poor impulse control, or people giving in to a moment of weakness and eating a packet of biscuits at one sitting: as Edukator implies, it's premeditated because people put multiple packets in their trolly, knowing full well that they will not eat them sensibly in moderation (as opposed, say, to buying one packet of biscuits which will have to last the week).

Personally, I don't think that a sugar tax is the answer, because I think it's addressing a symptom more than the root causes. I also suspect it would be difficult to frame the legislation for such a tax (if you target sugary drinks, what about energy drinks? If you target all sugar, I suspect the food industry would be imaginative with identifying less than ideal substitutes which would be exempt, e.g. using fruit and artificial sweeteners).

I don't know if Edukator is virtue signalling, but the use of that term and phrases like 'fat shaming' are themselves part of the problem, since they are intended to be perjorative terms to discourage people from questioning and criticising bad and unhealthy behaviour. Edukator's diet and lifestyle sound very healthy, and the last thing we should be doing is allowing people to avoid facing up to their own poor decisions about food and lifestyle by colluding with them by using those terms.

Yes and the fact that sugary sweet things are delicious and lovely. Can't get away from that.

Well, yes, you can. Sugary foods are only really tasty if you eat them on a regular basis. Stop consuming them even for a short period of time and I find they taste wrong, feel crap in the stomach and generally leave me feeling like shit. Same with a few food stuffs that aren't all that good for you - stop eating them for a bit, return and you'll put yourself off for life.

Well, it worked for me anyway. Folk lack self control, plain and simple, but will always find excuses and "science" to help explain away their inadequacy in this area. Probably because they're sugar addicts.

Edit : I blame the 70s and the low fat diet as well as misinformation and a general dietary misunderstanding. The low fat diet was probably pushed by the sugar companies, though I have no evidence of that.

I approve of the Mediterranean diet and general healthy eating.

Progress, now you just need to do it. 😉

I've haven't asked other people to compare but they can if they want, you also attributed thoughts to me I hadn't had.

I've been posting on these STW diet threads for some years and the objectif remains consistent and positive. Encourage people to adopt eating patterns that allow them to maintain the lifestyle they want without fad diets, yo-yo dieting, starvation or any other excesses.

My theme on this thread is "you are what you put in your shopping trolley". That is highly relevant because we all go shopping and we can all see what people look like and what we can see in their trolley. There's usually a queue in my local baker's, I play a guessing game when I'm waiting if there's no-one I know to chat to. On the basis of their physique and dress what are they going to buy. Will it be bread, specialty bread, with a bag of croissants or even some of those wonderful patisserie creations?