[Closed] The McCann's

Mrs McCann has a brilliant tan at the moment.

Probably because she's been lying in The Sun for the last fortnight.

I certainly hope they investigate why they left them alone.

She has the look of a psycho about her.

Abandonment of a minor/child neglect?

Yeah, they really need punishing those two 🙄

So, what do you think? Guilty or not??

Whilst I realise that losing a child is awful, I do wish that she'd accept things and move on, and stop going on about it.

I give this between one and two pages.

<Mystic Meg mode> I foresee a thread closure....</Mystic Meg>

EDIT: Damn my infernally slow typing!!!!

lol @ BoardinBob.

For any parent to lose a child must be such a traumatic episode that would be impossible to recover from fully. I'd love to see them reunited, but I can't see that happening somehow.

FWIW I would NEVER leave my child unattended in a physically separate building away from home, no matter where I was. My son is too precious for me to ever consider being that complacent.

Initially I believed they had accidentally killed her and dumped the body - however if so I really don't see why they would be making a fuss still after all this time. So I will have to accept it was a stranger abduction.

Not.

So, what do you think? Guilty or not??

Guilty of murder, probably not.

Guilty of neglect and stupidity, definitely.

Also, this would be a good time for anyone [i]without[/i] children to step away from the thread. You could never possibly understand.

dd how patronising!

Surely their priority should be for trying to locate the victim, not point fingers and criticise the parents. I'm sure what happened has been a lesson to them and parents across the world.

As for letting it go and moving on, if something like that happened to my 4 year old daughter, there's no way I could ever move on.

Total stupidity on their part but no one deserves that sort of thing. If I ever lost a child to abduction I won't ever stop looking either.

Also, this would be a good time for anyone without children to step away from the thread. You could never possibly understand.

6/10

dd how patronising!

i undestand what he means though, in order to comprehend this you need to have experienced those ties.

If I ever lost a child to abduction I won't ever stop looking either.

yep, never stop, not ever

personally I think the parents have something to do with it. I think we're seeing some kind of complex guilt thing being played out.

I got a 6 from Torminalis. You in a good mood or something? 🙂

What they are doing is keeping her name in the press and in people's minds as the longer people are talking about her, the more chance (in the parents eyes) that she will be spotted/found. I think they are, quite understandably scared, that she will become another missing child on a list somewhere. I also think that, again quite understandably, they are looking for any chink of light that might give them "something" and they have more faith in Scotland Yard of finding that than the Portuguese Police.

As for whether they know more than they are letting on, well, if I had done something I regret (admittedly not of this magnitude) I be keeping as quiet as possible not putting it into the national press.

Yossarian - I think if they had they would have shut up by now. I believed they did it at first but no longer do

Total stupidity on their part...

True, no kids, so I have no idea about loosing a child..? hooohummm.

Neglect deffo, why wasn't either of them prosecuted in Portugal? As for the theories about drug induced coma to shut the kiddo up I think thats a bit harsh, but feasable, abduction erm possible but to what end? For someone else to bring up a blond kid from the midlands? She'd surely have a accent by that time..
As for the publicity I'm sick of hearing about it.
And I'm not happy about my taxes being spent on an irresponcible parent just to apease her guilt.

zappa - I've got some crank bros 50/50x goodcond..£20, if you are interested 😉

I got a 6 from Torminalis. You in a good mood or something?

Twas a worthy effort, I applaud.

she has a new book out.

Perhaps scotland yard would be better employed catching criminals like thieves, drunk drivers etc, as oposed to reinvestigating an alledged crime commited in a foriegn country investigated by their own police.

I would say "a little bit silly and mahoosively unlucky".

TandemJeremy - Member
Yossarian - I think if they had they would have shut up by now. I believed they did it at first but no longer do

+1 surely if they'd been involved in whatever way and has subsequently "got away" with it, the last thing you'd want to do is raise the issue again?

Perhaps this is an example of some people using the press, media and public support to encourage the police to pursue a case? Presumably the police think that there is something worth pursuing here.

maybe you are right TJ, there's definitely something else gone on that hasn't been disclosed from the parents though. Everytime you see the mother its staring out from her like a light.

And actually I still agree with DD. I lost my eldest son for 15 minutes at an adventure playpark a while back, the feelings of panic/terror are utterly indescribable

I don't think they did anything different from what every sensible parent does on holiday, leaves their kids and keeps nipping back.

They just got horribly unlucky and the guilt will be with them forever.

I think the search should be for a 4yr old body though.

Whilst I realise that losing a child is awful, I do wish that she'd accept things and move on, and stop going on about it.

Initially I believed they had accidentally killed her and dumped the body - however if so I really don't see why they would be making a fuss still after all this time. So I will have to accept it was a stranger abduction.

And you based this on ?

True, no kids, so I have no idea about loosing a child..? hooohummm.

Mine are all of an age where they can look after themselves [in a fashion 🙂 ]

But, I shudder when I remember the panic/intense fear that losing sight of your kid at some public place caused on the few occasions it occurred, nothing I've experienced before or since comes close
So maybe, those without kids really can't comprehend some of the emotion?

dd - I don't have kids but I can say, hand on heart, that if I did,I would NEVER leave them home alone. I would have dinner in the garden while they were in bed but I'd have a monitor on the table. I find what the McCanns did incomprehensible.

I know they must be suffering but it's entirely their fault.

I do wish that she'd accept things and move on, and stop going on about it.

As usual the sanctimony on this subject is staggering.

maybe you are right TJ, there's definitely something else gone on that hasn't been disclosed from the parents though. Everytime you see the mother its staring out from her like a light.

i think both the yard and the portugese police would benefit from the use of your extra sensory perception.

I know they must be suffering but it's entirely their fault.

No blame to be shouldered by the abductor then? Spose rapist victims are all asking for it too then?

And you based this on ?

The same thing TJ bases all his assertions on. His gut feeling. 😉
There was a whole load of comments on a news-site the other day about all this - the article was about the appeal to Cameron to have an inquiry, the new book etc, the comments (far more than I could be bothered to read) mostly went something along the lines of "prosecute them for neglect".

*is feeling guilty*

Initially I believed they had accidentally killed her and dumped the body

Me too, but if they had did that, surely the body would have been found by now. I don't believe they would have known the local area well enough to hide the body so it would never be discovered.

We met a couple in their 50's on holiday a few years back. We were in Spain and they were off to Morocco the next day searching for their daughter who had vanished whilst walking through a market with them out there nearly 20 years previously. Very sad, and very sad for the little McCann girl involved regardless of who did what.

TBH I think the ammount of press / public interest around the case of the McCanns will have sealed the fate of Maddie, if she was kidnapped for whatever reason she'd have been got rid of by now.

i think both the yard and the portugese police would benefit from the use of your extra sensory perception.

maybe they would, my opinion is that this is already on their radar - can't do nowt without evidence though can you?

actually y'know we talk about the suffering of the parents, what about the child? Do we actually want to hypothesise about what's happened to her?

Mrs McCann has a brilliant tan at the moment.

Probably because she's been lying in The Sun for the last fortnight.

LMAO, I like it.

I struggle with long sentences but suffice to say some the intial posters are just showing what total arseholes they are. Typical STW mornic judgemental idiots.

Two pages ... I see the sensor police moving in any minute ...

can't do nowt without evidence though can you?

Dont let such trivia stop you.

Just a reminder that a little girl is still missing, possibly dead, the pain for the whole family must be overwhelming. Can the moron's please keep their attention seeking smart arse remarks to themselves or twitter. ****s

By keeping their daughters name in the press, and continuing to 'search' for her, they discount from a lot of people’s minds that they already know she is dead. And wasn't she born from IVF? From a practising Catholic? How does that work then? And the money they spent on those paragons of virtue Carter-Ruck and Max Clifford, couldn't that have gone to fund more searching? And how about their dinner buddies refusing to stage the reconstruction as requested, hardly constructive to the investigation, surely the McCanns want every angle covered? And then we have five Police experts (one serving officer, four retired officers) who suspect foul play by the parents.

"Also, this would be a good time for anyone without children to step away from the thread. You could never possibly understand."

A sad post from an emotional empty and selfish person. Some of us have huge depths of feeling and have suffered enormous and sad personal loss... and yet we manage to feel this without having produced a child. Staggering isnt it, that some of us can have non-selfish, non-possesive emotions without needing such a trigger. I get so sick to death of the arrogance of people who claim they become 'special' the moment they produce a child and that they can then feel superior in emotion to everyone else. How utterly empty you must be.

Ah, you think I am making assumptions?... well you had no problem yourself at automatically writing childless people off as emotionally empty.

And what about the huge grief and loss that some people feel about not being able to have children? I expect their emotions are 2nd rate too?

I could (as a childless person) never possibly understand how any group of people could all go off and desert a number of children in order to drink and party. Being emotionally empty, I would never even have left my dog in those circumstances in a strange place. Why not go in 2 groups, in shifts so someone was always with the kids. But fun came first. I guess that's what being a parent does to some, to follow the posters logic.

The simple matter is, if ones goes by [b]facts alone[/b], something doesn't add up.

So does this mean they will start by investigating why the McCann's left their daughter unattended in a hotel room in a foreign country while they went out for the evening?

Abandonment of a minor/child neglect? Perhaps these are issues which Scotland Yard could consider discussing with the Portuguese authorities?

Personally I'd rather the police focused on finding the utter scumbag that abducted and killed a 3 year old girl.

FWIW - Apart from the highly remote possibility some one might break in and kidnap her - there is the more likely scenario that my three year old would wake up in a strange room, wonder where she is, get a bit upset and then need a bit of reassurance from mum or dad. The idea of just leaving her to it so I can go and quaff a bit of tapas I cant fathom.

I feel sorry for her other kids. I don't feel anything for her [kate]. all that time writing a book is wasted as she will never be found, they know that, we know that and her wanting to be in the limelight to remind us she's missing (we know cos we're reminded of it every effing week) reminds me of those people who'll do anything to be in the press.

"Also, this would be a good time for anyone without children to step away from the thread. You could [b]never [/b]possibly understand."

Surely I could understand once I've got kids?

I'd keep on about it as well

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I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned, or she like the attention or she doth protesteth too much?
I really don't know or have the answers.

Along similar lines, a teenage lad (Damien Nettles) went missing over here (Isle of Wight) in 1996, never to be seen again, parents not knowing if he's run away or dead. Anyway the police are currently searching some Marshland, having arrested 5 people on Tuesday, looking for his body. I really hope they find him, just to give the parents closure. Terribly sad whatever the outcome.

It can be a horribly cruel world at times.

I appreciate DeadlyDarcy's comment about the McCanns being a little bit stupid and massively unlucky, far far more than the OP's stupid comments about proscuting them.

Which one of us (parents) has never, ever left their child(ren) in the car while they ran in to pay at the petrol station?
Or (as a journalist said in the Guardian yesterday) not taken the small risk of turning their back on the bathtub for a second answer the phone or go to the loo?
Etc., etc.?

All of us have done stupid things from time to time. It's just that not all of us have lost a child as a result.

One time, my second son walked into my office when I was talking on the phone, and proceeded to climb the collapsable ski-machine thing that was leaning up against the wall. Of course, half way up he pulled it over onto himself, and had to be taken to the hospital for a nasty bump on his head. It took a total of about a minute of me with my back turned. Should I have anticipated this? Maybe. Did I feel sick about it? Yes. But I was also lucky enough not to have had anything worse happen.

What sanctimonious, judgemental gits people can be.

For those supporting the McCanns, perhaps they should hand over their new evidence to the relevant authorities, because I’m fairly sure no evidence to support the abduction theory has thus far been found. Maybe it was aliens with sophisticated technology that we don't understand?

after watching that documentary last night on Ch4, A Very Dangerous Doctor, it's pretty apparent parents (mothers) will do anything for attention!

I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned,

Like, errr durrrrr.

DeadlyDarcy

Also, this would be a good time for anyone without children to step away from the thread. You could never possibly understand.

For DD's sake and to calm the nerves of some, can I just point out to the people who've missed it that his comment about people with kids no understanding was a tounge-in-cheek comment in advance of someone probably posting it seriously...

Untwist your knickers all 😉

I'm not wearing any knickers. 😯

You can untwist your incontinence pants, Elf 😉

clubber +1

to throw this in the mix.... just because as a parent or a non-parent you can't imagine harming your kid or any kid, doesn't mean there aren't parents out there who do/would!

well you had no problem yourself at automatically writing childless people off as emotionally empty

I don't think that's what he was doing. I think he was referring to the idea that having kids is something of a unique experience which is hard to really understand unless you've been through it. That's not to say non parents can't understand loss of course, but it's coloured somewhat differently when it's your own kids.

Not sure I agree but it's something you can only find out when you have actually had them.

The vast majority of children who are murdered are killed by their parents

Stranger danger / abduction / murder is incredibly rare

I don't think they did anything different from what every sensible parent does on holiday, leaves their kids and keeps nipping back

I have friends that live and have businesses in Praia Da Luz, explain nipping back because it is hard to nip back when you are 20 minutes away from your hotel, IMHO

She writes: "When she was first stolen, paedophiles were all we could think about and it ate away at us.

"The idea of a monster like this touching my daughter, stroking her, defiling her perfect little body, just killed me over and over again."

Aside from the merits of having kids/not having kids, does no one find the above extract from her book more than a little creepy?

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/12/madeleine-mccann-parents-pm-review ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/12/madeleine-mccann-parents-pm-review[/url]

Brilliant troll by Darcy.

allthepies - Member

I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned,

Like, errr durrrrr.

I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned, [b]or she likes the attention or she doth protesteth too much?[/b]

We are all making assumptions. Either they have lost a child due to extremely unfortunate circumstances and have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives or they playing a strange game of keeping the case open and in the media spotlight. Whichever, some comments on here seem to take STW to another low. If I had lost my child and saw this thread I cannot comprehend what emotions and feelings would be pummelling me now!

After more than twenty years working in forensic psychiatry, I'm probably far too cynical to post an objective response to this. It would be a fantastic outcome if she had been abducted and could in some way be found, but does anybody seriously believe thats gonna happen? I agree with TJ regarding the statistics of kids murdered or abducted by strangers - there are predatory paedophiles and child killers out there, but acts of this kind are far more likely to be carried out by someone involved or known to the family. As someone already posted, it can be a sad and cruel world at times.

I appreciate DeadlyDarcy's comment about the McCanns being a little bit stupid and massively unlucky, far far more than the OP's stupid comments about proscuting them.
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What sanctimonious, judgemental gits people can be.

+100: these comments where people effectively say [i]"they deserved it"[/i] are fairly repulsive.

I don't think they did anything different from what every sensible parent does on holiday, leaves their kids and keeps nipping back.

I'll confess that we were on holiday in Austria recently and we left our 10 month old daughter alone in the room while we went to the hotel bar downstairs. 😯

Call me irresponsible if you like, but if anyone thinks we [i]deserved[/i] to lose her for that action then you are a prize ****.

(In our defence, she was asleep in her cot, on the third floor in a locked room and we had a video baby monitor with us so we could make sure she was okay - but I did remark to the missus that we were roughly a "McCann-distance" away).

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Sanctimonious self righteous cocks found again on STW Forum shocker![/b]

Stranger danger / abduction / murder is incredibly rare

Really? So what does that mean ?? All the people who were abducted are lying. Suzy Lamplughs' family made it all up and is in fact under the patio?? The fact abduction doesn't happen that often proves nothing, and unless I've missed something we are all entitled to the presumption of innocence. Presuming it has happened as described how big an arsehole does it make you? Just think about how you would feel in the circumstances. Any parent on here who can honestly say they have never intentionally or otherwise done soemthing that potentially put their child at risk is either liar or suffering from OCD.

So... in this case, we can blame the victims a bit?

BermBandit - it means exactly what it says. Check Barnsleymitches post. It means that the greatest danger to children is thier parents and wider familes - and Lamplugh was an adult. We were talking about children.

It was in response to other posts and as I have also said on this thread I don't(now) believe the parents had anything to do with it.

Wont be long now before this thread implodes or deleted.

I'll confess that we were on holiday in Austria recently and we left our 10 month old daughter alone in the room while we went to the hotel bar downstairs.

If anyone thinks we deserved to lose her for that action then you are a prize ****.

(In our defence, she was asleep in her cot, on the third floor in a locked room and we had a video baby monitor with us so we could make sure she was okay - but I did remark to the missus that we were roughly a "McCann-distance" away).

I wouldn't leave a 5 euro note lying out in my room when I wasn't there for fear of the housekeeping staff pinching it.

If a parent wants "adult time" away from their kids then they should either

a) arrange a babysitter

or

b) shouldn't have had kids in the first place as it's a full time job

My mate's Golden Retriever is called Maddie. Still funny.

Really? So what does that mean ?? All the people who were abducted are lying.

No, it means that more people are abducted or killed by someone they knew than those abducted or killed by a stranger