[Closed] The McCann's

Two pages ... I see the sensor police moving in any minute ...

can't do nowt without evidence though can you?

Dont let such trivia stop you.

Just a reminder that a little girl is still missing, possibly dead, the pain for the whole family must be overwhelming. Can the moron's please keep their attention seeking smart arse remarks to themselves or twitter. ****s

By keeping their daughters name in the press, and continuing to 'search' for her, they discount from a lot of people’s minds that they already know she is dead. And wasn't she born from IVF? From a practising Catholic? How does that work then? And the money they spent on those paragons of virtue Carter-Ruck and Max Clifford, couldn't that have gone to fund more searching? And how about their dinner buddies refusing to stage the reconstruction as requested, hardly constructive to the investigation, surely the McCanns want every angle covered? And then we have five Police experts (one serving officer, four retired officers) who suspect foul play by the parents.

"Also, this would be a good time for anyone without children to step away from the thread. You could never possibly understand."

A sad post from an emotional empty and selfish person. Some of us have huge depths of feeling and have suffered enormous and sad personal loss... and yet we manage to feel this without having produced a child. Staggering isnt it, that some of us can have non-selfish, non-possesive emotions without needing such a trigger. I get so sick to death of the arrogance of people who claim they become 'special' the moment they produce a child and that they can then feel superior in emotion to everyone else. How utterly empty you must be.

Ah, you think I am making assumptions?... well you had no problem yourself at automatically writing childless people off as emotionally empty.

And what about the huge grief and loss that some people feel about not being able to have children? I expect their emotions are 2nd rate too?

I could (as a childless person) never possibly understand how any group of people could all go off and desert a number of children in order to drink and party. Being emotionally empty, I would never even have left my dog in those circumstances in a strange place. Why not go in 2 groups, in shifts so someone was always with the kids. But fun came first. I guess that's what being a parent does to some, to follow the posters logic.

The simple matter is, if ones goes by [b]facts alone[/b], something doesn't add up.

So does this mean they will start by investigating why the McCann's left their daughter unattended in a hotel room in a foreign country while they went out for the evening?

Abandonment of a minor/child neglect? Perhaps these are issues which Scotland Yard could consider discussing with the Portuguese authorities?

Personally I'd rather the police focused on finding the utter scumbag that abducted and killed a 3 year old girl.

FWIW - Apart from the highly remote possibility some one might break in and kidnap her - there is the more likely scenario that my three year old would wake up in a strange room, wonder where she is, get a bit upset and then need a bit of reassurance from mum or dad. The idea of just leaving her to it so I can go and quaff a bit of tapas I cant fathom.

I feel sorry for her other kids. I don't feel anything for her [kate]. all that time writing a book is wasted as she will never be found, they know that, we know that and her wanting to be in the limelight to remind us she's missing (we know cos we're reminded of it every effing week) reminds me of those people who'll do anything to be in the press.

"Also, this would be a good time for anyone without children to step away from the thread. You could [b]never [/b]possibly understand."

Surely I could understand once I've got kids?

I'd keep on about it as well

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I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned, or she like the attention or she doth protesteth too much?
I really don't know or have the answers.

Along similar lines, a teenage lad (Damien Nettles) went missing over here (Isle of Wight) in 1996, never to be seen again, parents not knowing if he's run away or dead. Anyway the police are currently searching some Marshland, having arrested 5 people on Tuesday, looking for his body. I really hope they find him, just to give the parents closure. Terribly sad whatever the outcome.

It can be a horribly cruel world at times.

I appreciate DeadlyDarcy's comment about the McCanns being a little bit stupid and massively unlucky, far far more than the OP's stupid comments about proscuting them.

Which one of us (parents) has never, ever left their child(ren) in the car while they ran in to pay at the petrol station?
Or (as a journalist said in the Guardian yesterday) not taken the small risk of turning their back on the bathtub for a second answer the phone or go to the loo?
Etc., etc.?

All of us have done stupid things from time to time. It's just that not all of us have lost a child as a result.

One time, my second son walked into my office when I was talking on the phone, and proceeded to climb the collapsable ski-machine thing that was leaning up against the wall. Of course, half way up he pulled it over onto himself, and had to be taken to the hospital for a nasty bump on his head. It took a total of about a minute of me with my back turned. Should I have anticipated this? Maybe. Did I feel sick about it? Yes. But I was also lucky enough not to have had anything worse happen.

What sanctimonious, judgemental gits people can be.

For those supporting the McCanns, perhaps they should hand over their new evidence to the relevant authorities, because I’m fairly sure no evidence to support the abduction theory has thus far been found. Maybe it was aliens with sophisticated technology that we don't understand?

after watching that documentary last night on Ch4, A Very Dangerous Doctor, it's pretty apparent parents (mothers) will do anything for attention!

I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned,

Like, errr durrrrr.

DeadlyDarcy

Also, this would be a good time for anyone without children to step away from the thread. You could never possibly understand.

For DD's sake and to calm the nerves of some, can I just point out to the people who've missed it that his comment about people with kids no understanding was a tounge-in-cheek comment in advance of someone probably posting it seriously...

Untwist your knickers all 😉

I'm not wearing any knickers. 😯

You can untwist your incontinence pants, Elf 😉

clubber +1

to throw this in the mix.... just because as a parent or a non-parent you can't imagine harming your kid or any kid, doesn't mean there aren't parents out there who do/would!

well you had no problem yourself at automatically writing childless people off as emotionally empty

I don't think that's what he was doing. I think he was referring to the idea that having kids is something of a unique experience which is hard to really understand unless you've been through it. That's not to say non parents can't understand loss of course, but it's coloured somewhat differently when it's your own kids.

Not sure I agree but it's something you can only find out when you have actually had them.

The vast majority of children who are murdered are killed by their parents

Stranger danger / abduction / murder is incredibly rare

I don't think they did anything different from what every sensible parent does on holiday, leaves their kids and keeps nipping back

I have friends that live and have businesses in Praia Da Luz, explain nipping back because it is hard to nip back when you are 20 minutes away from your hotel, IMHO

She writes: "When she was first stolen, paedophiles were all we could think about and it ate away at us.

"The idea of a monster like this touching my daughter, stroking her, defiling her perfect little body, just killed me over and over again."

Aside from the merits of having kids/not having kids, does no one find the above extract from her book more than a little creepy?

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/12/madeleine-mccann-parents-pm-review ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/12/madeleine-mccann-parents-pm-review[/url]

Brilliant troll by Darcy.

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I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned,

Like, errr durrrrr.

I still can't fathom whether the mother is doing it out of pure desperation, in the vague hope their daughter will be returned, [b]or she likes the attention or she doth protesteth too much?[/b]

We are all making assumptions. Either they have lost a child due to extremely unfortunate circumstances and have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives or they playing a strange game of keeping the case open and in the media spotlight. Whichever, some comments on here seem to take STW to another low. If I had lost my child and saw this thread I cannot comprehend what emotions and feelings would be pummelling me now!

After more than twenty years working in forensic psychiatry, I'm probably far too cynical to post an objective response to this. It would be a fantastic outcome if she had been abducted and could in some way be found, but does anybody seriously believe thats gonna happen? I agree with TJ regarding the statistics of kids murdered or abducted by strangers - there are predatory paedophiles and child killers out there, but acts of this kind are far more likely to be carried out by someone involved or known to the family. As someone already posted, it can be a sad and cruel world at times.

I appreciate DeadlyDarcy's comment about the McCanns being a little bit stupid and massively unlucky, far far more than the OP's stupid comments about proscuting them.
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What sanctimonious, judgemental gits people can be.

+100: these comments where people effectively say [i]"they deserved it"[/i] are fairly repulsive.

I don't think they did anything different from what every sensible parent does on holiday, leaves their kids and keeps nipping back.

I'll confess that we were on holiday in Austria recently and we left our 10 month old daughter alone in the room while we went to the hotel bar downstairs. 😯

Call me irresponsible if you like, but if anyone thinks we [i]deserved[/i] to lose her for that action then you are a prize ****.

(In our defence, she was asleep in her cot, on the third floor in a locked room and we had a video baby monitor with us so we could make sure she was okay - but I did remark to the missus that we were roughly a "McCann-distance" away).

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Sanctimonious self righteous cocks found again on STW Forum shocker![/b]

Stranger danger / abduction / murder is incredibly rare

Really? So what does that mean ?? All the people who were abducted are lying. Suzy Lamplughs' family made it all up and is in fact under the patio?? The fact abduction doesn't happen that often proves nothing, and unless I've missed something we are all entitled to the presumption of innocence. Presuming it has happened as described how big an arsehole does it make you? Just think about how you would feel in the circumstances. Any parent on here who can honestly say they have never intentionally or otherwise done soemthing that potentially put their child at risk is either liar or suffering from OCD.

So... in this case, we can blame the victims a bit?

BermBandit - it means exactly what it says. Check Barnsleymitches post. It means that the greatest danger to children is thier parents and wider familes - and Lamplugh was an adult. We were talking about children.

It was in response to other posts and as I have also said on this thread I don't(now) believe the parents had anything to do with it.

Wont be long now before this thread implodes or deleted.

I'll confess that we were on holiday in Austria recently and we left our 10 month old daughter alone in the room while we went to the hotel bar downstairs.

If anyone thinks we deserved to lose her for that action then you are a prize ****.

(In our defence, she was asleep in her cot, on the third floor in a locked room and we had a video baby monitor with us so we could make sure she was okay - but I did remark to the missus that we were roughly a "McCann-distance" away).

I wouldn't leave a 5 euro note lying out in my room when I wasn't there for fear of the housekeeping staff pinching it.

If a parent wants "adult time" away from their kids then they should either

a) arrange a babysitter

or

b) shouldn't have had kids in the first place as it's a full time job

My mate's Golden Retriever is called Maddie. Still funny.

Really? So what does that mean ?? All the people who were abducted are lying.

No, it means that more people are abducted or killed by someone they knew than those abducted or killed by a stranger

I can't believe you left a 10 month old alone in a hotel room so you could go for a swally 😯 😯

I can't believe you left a 10 month old alone in a hotel room so you could go for a swally 😯

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

I can't believe you left a 10 month old alone in a hotel room so you could go for a swally 😯

I know - aren't we terrible.
Shockingly we leave her alone in her room at home every night!
We did try keeping her sellotaped to us at all times but it started to itch.

Have you tried wood glue? Cow gum?

I'll confess that we were on holiday in Austria recently and we left our 10 month old daughter alone in the room while we went to the hotel bar downstairs.

Call me irresponsible if you like, but if anyone thinks we deserved to lose her for that action then you are a prize *.

Almost as big a * as you are for leaving a kid alone. If you'd got back and found the room empty, how would you feel? On the plus side, at least you wouldn't have to arrange babysitters in future.

Oof.

(Puts kettle on. Obtains biscuits. Gets comfy)

How do you guys go on at night when you're all in deep slumber..........or do you get a nanny in for the night shift?

They were watching live images of there sleeping child, only yards away 🙄

Ok, drifting off topic here a little.
I wouldn't do what GrahamS did, BUT he did at least have a monitor with them. Its their choice.
I do work in my shed at the bottom of the garden with my 4yo in the back bedroom in bed asleep with no-one else around. Do I deserve flamage too?

We considered leaving our baby in a hotel room for some much needed R&R in the bar. In a posh well secured hotel that we were regular guests in. We decided it was not worth the risk. And the thought of the above discussed little girl would not leave our minds.