[Closed] The iDave legacy..

rumour has it that the poor fella was found choked on a mint sauce key ring...

first rule of iDave....

get yourself a read of 4hr Body - to give yourself the background
also read Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle

Since iDave, we have had a resurgence of those paleo, caveman, lo-carb, raw vegan diets and the big thing this year the fast diet, or 5:2.

I think the paying customers are still waiting for their plans

Only long term healthy eating and exercise will lead to weight stability not some fad followed by the next followed by the next

[i]Only long term healthy eating and exercise will lead to weight stability not some fad followed by the next followed by the next[/i]

Exactly right

Ah, thanks. Last time round I used a few of the four hour recipes, but don't know much about the rest. How do they relate to the plan we all know and love? Refinements, or completely different basis?

I believe that iDave now shares a boat with surfmat and they pass their time by winking at each other and saying "Awesome".

I think the paying customers are still waiting for their plans

😕

Only long term healthy eating and exercise will lead to weight stability not some fad followed by the next followed by the next

Wasn't this the central plank to the iDave diet?

4 Hr body is the book, I also have the 4hr cookbook.

I haven't read it yet though which explains why I am back up to my previous "Fat bstard" weight.

I did lose 19lbs in 3 months on iDave/4HB though, just when Jr #2 came along something had to give which happened to be sensible food shopping and prep, along with exercise 🙁

I will get back on it soon though

I believe that iDave now shares a boat with surfmat and they pass their time by winking at each other and saying "Awesome".

Are they giving each other the Bertie Pistols as well?

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Only long term healthy eating and exercise will lead to weight stability not some fad followed by the next followed by the next

Exactly right

That's kind of the point. iDave/4hr body/paeleo are long term plans rather than fads. They are entirely sustainable. It's amazing how easy it is not to eat starchy foods once you get your head around it and break out of tradition.

I never have starch with my meals any more, don't even think about it. My only weakness is sugar and cakes, whose prohibition is likey to be a feature of any healthy eating plan, to be fair 🙂

i know a bloke who lost nearly 5 stone on idaves plan, and he has kept it off by sticking to idaves plan.

i like idave and his plan.

Just contract amoebic dysentery, the weight will be gone in no time.

How about eat your tea earlier?

Run in the evenings

Dont drink alcohol during the week?

I believe they are Captain, I believe they are...

Run in the evenings

Dont drink alcohol during the week?

Thank god I'm not fat.

I never have starch with my meals any more, don't even think about it

Hang on, I thought you have a cheese sandwich for lunch everyday??

my weekly shop now consists of,

eggs
chicken
fresh fish
salad
ton's of veg.

it does not consist of any of the following,

bread
pasta
rice
biscuits
cake
milk
fizzy pop
cheese

I thought you have a cheese sandwich for lunch everyday??

Who said that?

wasnt it the foundation of your "waaah im not claiming enough expenses" troll?

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my weekly shop now consists of,

eggs
chicken
fresh fish
salad
ton's of veg.

it does not consist of any of the following,

bread
pasta
rice
biscuits
cake
milk
fizzy pop
cheese

You omitted your daily 15 pints of beer intake from either list.

Cheese sandwiches weren't, no.

After a chat on here with Molgrips I've lost a stone and kept it off by:

Not eating 2 x per week before road bike intervals between breakfast at 7am an the intervals, cutting out booze from MOnday to Thursday and generally avoiding the purchase of any crap. If I have to eat on the move I buy fruit or nights and at the worst an Eat Natural bar.

Its not a huge effort as far as dieting efforts go, but I have found that my appetite has decreased, and it works for me.

You did..

"£12.50/week then. Loaf of bread and some cheese = £4.50"

"Make my own lunch? So what, take five lots of cheese sandwiches in my suitcase? Don't fancy eating those on a Friday."

"If I'm at home, or commuting from home I can eat my own sandwiches at little cost."

Lots of references to starch there 😉

That was the hypothetical cheapest lunch.

In any case, I spent a few hours on Sunday night making soups and stews to bring with me to work, since I found a fridge. I only had enough room for three servings but that's ok. On that day I had a bean/meat salad from Tortilla.

my 15 pint are kept for my day off.....all guilt free.... 8)

Whatever the **** happened to iDave..? I missed that one, probably during my self-induced hiatus from STW - provoked by iDave-diet-induced ana-bulemia and an eventual six months of counselling.
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Glad he's gone though. This is a much nicer place now without that freakazoid... Oh, and I'm happier too.. 😀

no-eyed-deer,

I'll tell him next time I see him. Im sure he'll be devastated to hear what you said.

That's kind of the point. iDave/4hr body/paeleo are long term plans rather than fads. They are entirely sustainable. It's amazing how easy it is not to eat starchy foods once you get your head around it and break out of tradition.

+1

The whole reduced carb/low GI diet is not a fad. It is a different way of eating and for me gaining a better understanding of what certain foods do to my body. I can't eat starchy food now it just tastes wrong!

In a few years time the official diet advice will change - you heard it here first! 🙂

That's kind of the point. iDave/4hr body/paeleo are long term plans rather than fads. They are entirely sustainable. It's amazing how easy it is not to eat starchy foods once you get your head around it and break out of tradition.

All diets are sustainable, just some require more focus and planning.

The most popular diets are ones that tell you good things about your bad habits, hence the popularity of Paeleo.

I ride with him and we have Guinness, lobby and crusty bread in the pub after our Tuesday ride. He is still quicker than most and makes it look so easy.... he will be really cross about this thread.

All diets are sustainable

Not all, there are some silly fads intended to crash diet. Like the cabbage soup diet..!

my weekly shop now consists of,

eggs
chicken
fresh fish
salad
ton's of veg.

it does not consist of any of the following,

bread
pasta
rice
biscuits
cake
milk
fizzy pop
cheese

My weekly shop consists of all of the above. I'm not fat.

Everything in moderation, suplimented with a decent amount of exercise. It's really not very hard.

That's kind of the point. iDave/4hr body/paeleo are long term plans rather than fads

I think that was the opposite of iDave's plan, as least as he originally described it - he didn't present it as a long term dietary change but as tool for shedding weight as preparation, for instance, for a sporting event. Thats not to say it was necessarily faddy it was just a programme with a short term goal.

Don't think so mac.

Everything in moderation, suplimented with a decent amount of exercise. It's really not very hard.

Don't ****ing start this again.

yes they dont want to hear that they want a magic pill and/or a someone to blame - sugars in food, refined carbs / modern farming - metabolism whatever

Its certainly got nothing to do with how much they put in themselves or how much of this they use by moving

Contrary to some opinions, Dave's a good guy and his diet is a good basis for a long term eating plan.

I said don't start!

Only long term healthy eating and exercise will lead to weight stability not some fad followed by the next followed by the next

This is sort of true, but you have to define healthy eating...

If somebody ate 5000 calories a day of [b]high fat[/b] low carb food for three weeks, would they get fat?

Did they use up 5000 calories a day or only 1500?

He is a great guy and just because he ripped some folk off and did not deliver on dietary plans despite oddles of promises to do so then disappeared from here in ignominy is no reason to be rude about how great he is
😕

That was the hypothetical cheapest lunch.

Christ on a bike.

So you were complaining that the fictional lunch you weren't going to buy

Was more expensive than the fictional lunch that you wouldn't have made if you were at home ?

That takes your famous "pointless threads" to a whole new level.

The point was that even the cheapest possible lunch I could buy still put me out of pocket. To prove that I wasn't simply whining about fancy lunches.

I didn't think it was that hard to understand?

If somebody ate 5000 calories a day of high fat low carb food for three weeks,

I don't think it would be possible! You would be physically sick before you managed to eat 5000 cal of high fat/low carb.
Slice of beef dripping on your steak sir?

Slice of beef dripping on your steak sir?

Well I usually have garlic butter but I'm game if you are.

Did they use up 5000 calories a day or only 1500?

A 56,645 calorie surplus over the 3 weeks.

I could eat 5000 calories of high fat low carb food, no worries.

I don't think it would be possible!

Did the round the world cyclist not force himself to drink Olive oil whilst crossing the desert as it was the only thing with enough calories for the journey?
Its about 500 ml or thereabouts so must be easy if somewhat odd!!!

I can eat a shitload of peanuts in addition to my normal diet 🙂 Highest calorie thing I know of other than pure oil is Bombay mix, and we all know how moreish that is 🙂

Christ on a bike.

You'd think he was, the way some people talk about his diet.

😉

Bombay mix,

This is not low carb!

I could eat 5000 calories of high fat low carb food, no worries.

I'm impressed but give me an example menu?

Well I admit, if you discount peanuts and bombay mix it's harder. Define low carb?

I think that was the opposite of iDave's plan, as least as he originally described it - he didn't present it as a long term dietary change but as tool for shedding weight as preparation, for instance, for a sporting event. Thats not to say it was necessarily faddy it was just a programme with a short term goal.

RST Low GI [b]fat loss[/b] programme (AKA the iDave diet)

If you think about how the science (allegedly) works then it makes sense to be a fat loss program, as by controlling insulin production you encourage your body to use stored calories for energy rather than keep stockpiling more.

So yes, if you have always eaten healthily & moderately and have never been overweight then of course you can carry on as normal, but if like me you let yourself go then the iDiet is great for getting back on track.

FWIW I still try to eat this way as much as possible even after reaching my target weight but am less strict now.

If somebody ate 5000 calories a day of high fat low carb food for three weeks, would they get fat?

So what was your target weight, zilog? Got any pics of yourself at it.. so to speak..?

Define low carb?

Very subjective. I work on less than 70g of carb per day but that is with fairly normal calorie intake. I suppose with 5000 cals you could go up to 200g.

Peanuts are low carb.

I think any food with <20% carb is low, <10% is very low.

Ok well I can put 200g of peanuts down as a snack, that's about 1100 calories. Three times a day that's most of the job done. Then I could have an omlette with stacks of cheese for breakfast; fried chicken at lunch and.. for dinner.. dunno. Philly cheese steak sandwich? Battered sausages?

So what was your target weight, zilog? Got any pics of yourself at it.. so to speak..?

I'd better go for a run tonight then...

Philly cheese steak sandwich? Battered sausages?

Not low carb! 🙂

I have just eaten,
half a chicken, cooked for 8 hours in the slow cooker, with leeks, carrots, parsnip, shallots, broccoli, peas and cabbage.

1DAVE'S IDIET ROCKS............. 8)

If somebody ate 5000 calories a day of high fat low carb food for three weeks, would they get fat?

As has been stated, it entirely depends on how many calories they expend. Also, low-carb does not mean no-carb.

The same guy ate 5000 calories a day of high fat low carb and [url= http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/ ]had very little weight gain[/url]. He later repeated his 'experiment' eating the same calories and doing the same exercise, but with the 'healthy' balance of macro-nutrients; [url= http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-did-get-fat/ ]he gained weight exactly as the formula of calories in vs calories out states[/url].

Obviously, it's a sample of 1, but it agrees with a lot of the other work and research out there, and with the iDiet/4HB approach.

You could it 750g of Coal a day to get that 5000cals.
Probably loose weight on that diet too 🙂

I did the iDave diet for a month or so.

I didn't stick to it after the period but I did she'd about 10kg or so.

It's not gone back on other than a blip here and there of a kg or so after heavy weekends, which happen on occasions.

Generally it crept up by 2kg and has stayed there, overall loss is about 8kg.

Worked for me I guess.

Not sure I could go back to it, as anything other than a short term weight loss thing as I soon got sick of the food on it.

Well, there are some people on here, who despite taking great care what they eat, seem to be prepared to swallow any sort of crap if there is pseudo-science behind it.

the iDave legacy........ bowel cancer I suspect 😉

Everyone got their refund, didn't they?

Didn't they?

yes they dont want to hear that they want a magic pill and/or a someone to blame - sugars in food, refined carbs / modern farming - metabolism whatever

I used to be in a hillwalking club with a guy who was huge and blamed it on the 'hidden sugar in western food'.

When he hit a steep section on a walk he would stop for a mars bar to 'boost his energy'. It generally worked out at about a bar an hour.

Whoever hid that sugar, they weren't trying very hard...

the iDave legacy........ bowel cancer I suspect

what, from eating lean meat, fish and veg??

don't talk utter shyte man.

shyyyte it may be but I recall chorizzodave throwing a proper strop the last time someone started discussing the relationship between processed red meat and cancer

lean steak, pork, chicken, fish/salmon/mackerel is not processed

google 'idave chorizo singletrack' ..............

more hits than a family of starving, steroid-injected Mexican quintuplets armed with crowbars smacking the shit out of a candy-filled piñata

I did the iDave/4HB thing for a while. I wouldn't stick strictly with it forever but it's far less painful than simply cutting calories and worked very well for me. I need to do it again but that's because i've been eating too much junk food and not riding enough. Decreasing GI/GL is sustainable and my weakness for dirty carbs is not down to how I previously lost my lard.

Mind you, I might feel differently if I'd tried to buy a training plan...

re the processed meat thing. Low GI doesn't mean vast quantities of chorizo any more than not being teetotal means getting trollied on special brew every night.

He doesn't say you have to eat a lot of meat, processed or otherwise. Never did.

I wonder why people think that?

every time I saw him popping up with a recipe it seemed to include the spicy spanish sausage, just try that stw google search!

I just hope that some future epidemiologist is able to identify the causal factor in the Surrey Hills Bowel Cancer Epidemic of the 2040s and eliminate the false positives of driving an audi, working in IT and owning a santacruz 😉

I remember the iDave legacy being reports of cycling holidays in the sun, lighting cigars with crisp twenty pound notes that he robbed off paying customers.

don't forget the special IT problems that allowed him to post reports of the cycling trips but not answer emails or make refunds

indeed and yet some defended him and do still 😕

The iDave legacy for me is that my lunch most days now consists of half a tin of chickpeas, baby sweet corn, sliced mange tout, peppers, a sprinkle if mixed seeds, some olive oil and balsamic vinegar, and as much of a bag of mixed salad leaves as I can fit in the lunch box. Sometimes with chorizo, sometimes not.

And red wine most nights 🙂