[Closed] The eternal search for warm waterproof gloves.

I can confirm that specialized summer full finger gloves aren't the best choice for early mornings this time of year 🙂

Have I recommended you the Perfect Curves? I've not yet found out what it takes to get my hands cold wearing those, making snowmen in -10 before windchill didn't though, or washing mud off them in a snowmelt river in February. Not great for feel tbh, but still good on balance- feel with bulky gloves and warm hands is still better than feel with frozen hooks for hands.

Aldi winter gloves, innit.

Oh, and as the OP didn't link/name the gloves above, for those who want to look like they just shoved their hand into a tyre:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/castelli-diluvio-deluxe-glove/

Perfect Curves

They are the best (and amongst the cheapest) cold weather riding gloves I've used but it needs to be a lot colder than it is at the moment before I pick them out of the cupboard. Anything above freezing and they're too warm for me. I've never found a pair of gloves for the in between temperatures that was ideal, an old pair of knackered ME Guide gloves are my usual choice.

Those Castellis look essentially like a more expensive version of the same thing.

Aldi winter gloves, innit.

I seriously doubt it - I've tried many different makes of the so-called "waterproof" layered material types and they all give up after about 20 minutes in the rain.

BBB Aquashield and my Sealskinz gloves are both warm and waterproof. The main problem with gloves is the massive hole in one end of them.

@woppit - i have those too, i much prefer having damp interior but warm rather than cold.
i also find a cheap pair/on offer of summer mitts a size up than normal over these give them padding that they dont have, well mine dont anyway - perhaps the new models do.

i've had mine down to -5C with a liner, but sometimes have them underneath another windproof glove too to keep out the bitter cold.

love em.

Tried using a pair of these under your gloves?

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is the massive hole in one end of them.

I don't know why people keep saying this. Strange to report - I wear a waterproof top that has sleeves long enough to cover the glove material at the wrist.

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And I've tried the Sealskinz. Turned into two soggy lumps after twenty minutes in heavy rain. Complete bollocks.

I wear a waterproof top that has sleeves long enough to cover the glove material at the wrist.

Whilst we're on this subject, why do so many cycling glove manufactures design autumn/winter gloves with no cuff? It makes them utterly useless in the rain and reduces their warmth massively.

Tried using a pair of these under your gloves?

Surely using them would mean you'd lose 1-2lbs in sweat through your hands?

BBB Aquashield and my Sealskinz gloves are both warm and waterproof.

Really? My Sealskinz gloves leak at the stitching in anything damper than a light mist.

Agreed.

I must admit, I might be tempted to try the OPs selection. As a bit of extra dexterity wouldn't go amiss.

Plus I got some Evans vouchers to use up.

Surely using them would mean you'd lose 1-2lbs in sweat through your hands?

I guess if you get sweaty hands. Works fine for me when it's cold enough.

Tempted to try these, on the basis that sailing gloves have to work when wet, and cycling gloves always get wet eventually, the water/windproof outer/fleece inner seems like a good idea. The materials properly waterproof, it's the same stuff they make dinghy spray tops out of, best way to describe it is rubberized fleece.

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[i]The main problem with gloves is the massive hole in one end of them[/i]

Which can be easily covered up by the cuff of a jacket. I never wear full finger gloves on a commute without a jacket or long sleeved jersey on.

The Castelli gloves are good, but when its torrential rain aldi winter gloves & tuffbags paclite over mitts are better.

@thisisnotaspoon: "QUICK TIP: If you have got them wet on saturday and you are sailing on sunday - pour warm water into them and put your hands in - they will be toasty all day! " 😯

I've got the Assos neoprene rain gloves, similar sort of thing to the Castellis. They're great up to a point, but in really cold conditions, they suddenly go from reasonably warm to so-frickin-cold-I-can't-get-my-hands-out-of-them!

Wore them once on a snowy ride and I had to piss on my own fingers in order to be able to open the zip on my rucksack to get my spares out.

I've just ordered a pair of Endura Deluge which seem to tick a lot of boxes and get well reviewed. They're a fairly reasonable 32 quid too.

Not sure if they're robust enough for mountain biking (I've got them primarily for road) but I'll report back when Ribble finally get their finger out and deliver them...

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I had to piss on my own fingers in order to be able to open the zip on my rucksack to get my spares out.

How on earth did you undo the much fiddlier zips involved with getting your erm... spare out?

[i]They're great up to a point[/i]

Agreed, I wouldn't wear the castelli's below 0

Tempted to try these, on the basis that sailing gloves have to work when wet, and cycling gloves always get wet eventually,

That seems like a lot of material and a lot of seams in the palm but aside from that they seem like a good shout.

I had to piss on my own fingers in order to be able to open the zip on my rucksack to get my spares out.

Just a little too much information there , how about i had to find an unusual and inovative way to warm up my fingers , or why not go all the way with i unfurled the mighty python and gave myself a golden shower. 😉

Endura Deluge

Nope. Tried them. Bollocks.

lemonysam - Member

....but it needs to be a lot colder than it is at the moment before I pick them out of the cupboard. Anything above freezing and they're too warm for me. I've never found a pair of gloves for the in between temperatures that was ideal, an old pair of knackered ME Guide gloves are my usual choice.

I got some Specialized gloves - think they are 'deflect' and find them great for that in between time of year when it's too cold for summer gloves, but not quite cold enough for full on insulated gloves.

These ones:
http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/specialized-bg-deflect-wiretap-winter-glove-black-id72992.html?gclid=CP_V_Krx4MECFcfMtAodnX4AGQ#info

They are windproof and while not waterproof, they are water resistant. I've been caught out in the rain a couple of times and they've taken a while to let the water through. When they did let the water through, my hands stayed fairly warm as they are windproof.

If I had a pair of those castelli gloves I would have to pretend I was spiderman,which in itself is a good enough reason to get a pair.

How on earth did you undo the much fiddlier zips involved with getting your erm... spare out?

I'm a lycra lout... Thumbs in hem, pull down bib front, and Robert's-yer-mother's-brother.

There was no unfurling of anything 66deg! 😀

Mr Woppit, what was the problem with the Deluges?

I've used some sealskins for a few years and I like them, but if you're doing a lot of lifting the bike over fences etc, they 'wet out' fairly quickly and get cold.

On dry frosty rides, I find them pretty good - just not dextrous enough for the road bike...

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Tried using a pair of these under your gloves?
Surely using them would mean you'd lose 1-2lbs in sweat through your hands?

My friend did exactly this, the sweat then froze inside the plastic gloves and he got really cold then....

I'm a lycra lout... Thumbs in hem, pull down bib front, and Robert's-yer-mother's-brother.

I think I'll stick to putting them under my armpits if it's all the same with you...

It's surprising how much pissing on yourself is involved with this mountain biking lark. Do y'all keep running into jellyfish or something?

I think it was Endura Deluges I had, that were completely unwarm and unwaterproof. I assumed I'd got a faulty set, they were so bad but when I returned them Endura more or less said "Well, yeah, you don't expect waterproof winter gloves to be warm and waterproof do you?"

I just got a set of cheap Wulf trials neoprene gloves- haven't ridden in them yet, unfortunately they leak slightly at the seams when filled with water but they don't leak when run under a tap so that's not perfect but not too terrible. I'll post up here if they work out well.

Mr Woppit, what was the problem with the Deluges?

See my earlier reference to "twenty minutes".

Well. Fell at the first fence. Rode in constant heavy rain today. They just gave up after ten miles and I rode the second half with my hands encased in soggy wet neoprene.

****in useless.

The search gores on...

There are some right softies on this forum..

Surely the point of neoprene gloves is not that your hands stay dry but that they stay warm(er) when wet?

I used to commute in a pair of windsurfing gloves (o'neil psycho IIRC) on heavy rain days and they were sealed at the seams but still let water in eventually - however your hands were still warm unless it was minus territory

Still obviously warmer than windsurfing in the same temperature though!

Gave up on waterproof gloves, better of with gloves that keep you warm when wet.

Surely the point of neoprene gloves is not that your hands stay dry but that they stay warm(er) when wet?

Surely the point of gloves advertised as "waterproof" is that they are PROOF, against WATER? 👿

Having mucked about with gloves for over 20 years motorcycling, mountaineering, ice climbing, kite buggying and cycling I have never found a pair of waterproof gloves other than big rubber ones AND despite the data to the contrary it ALWAYS gets in the big hole.

Just get proper windproof gloves and use a silk/merino liner; you will get wet but warm.

As for those with white finger etc, the only real answer is heated gloves.

Surely the point of gloves advertised as "waterproof" is that they are PROOF, against WATER?

How do you know it wasn't sweat running down your sleeve or up your waterproof jacket and down your base layer, or even sweating just coming from your hands?

Not convinced that every glove ever designed to be waterproof is marketed and sold as such without actually being so. User error (or expectation) seems more likely.

Columbia heated gloves have NEVER leaked and I work outside all year round.
On the motorbike - EXO2 have never ever leaked either and I ride year round in all weathers.
The biggest issue is that most people don't realise that you need to go up in size for winter/bad weather gloves.
Snug doesn't allow the air to circulate and compresses the insulation giving cold spots and contact with the liner which will allow water through eventually due to rubbing. Even Goretex will leak if you rub it as you're forcing the water through.

How do I know? How do you think I know?

It was raining. They were absolutely sodden right through.

Wakey wakey.

up your waterproof jacket

Er, gravity.

Is it too tangential to point out that Woppit's suggestion that a search for waterproof gloves could be 'eternal' is inherently religious?

The search gores on...

wahey.

Er, gravity.

Capilliary action doesn't care about that. Not at first, anyway 🙂

Personally I've always had damp hands and I've never been able to tell if it's from sweat or from rain. I'm not sure how you'd know - a damp lining is a damp lining, and if the dampness is made cold from the ouside the effects would be identical.

Skytec Argon.

I carry multiple pairs for winter climbing, which in many ways is quite similar to winter riding (it's cold, wet and you need to hang on to a bit of metal/rubber or you're in trouble).

Not used them much on the bike, but provided they are a snug enough fit you should be fine.

Did I mention that they're £5 a pair? 🙂

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I didn't say DAMP. I said SODDEN.

Are you visually deaf or something?

Ordered these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GH1KZU6/ref=s9_simh_co_p200_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=left-1&pf_rd_r=0EA311M8MD637331DJSZ&pf_rd_t=3201&pf_rd_p=518516127&pf_rd_i=typ01

Good for hand signals as well!

I'll make a note of that, peterf. If the "Boutiques" fail, they're my next stop. 😀

Are you visually deaf or something?

No, I think you are just inept and are blaming the equippment instead of yourself.

I have a pair of [url= http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Endura-Strike-Long-Fingered-Cycling-Gloves_15143.htm ]these Altura ones[/url] and they definitely do not leak. They do get quite wet inside though.

I know they don't leak because I filled them with water to test

I think you're on drugs.

I think you're an arsehole. And inept 🙂

You should call the manufacturer if you think they've sold gloves that are faulty or not fit for purpose.

The strikes I had were, being charitable, water resistant but definitely not waterproof (filling with water isn't a useful test, because some nonwaterproof materials take a little while to soak through. I suppose filling with water and leaving them for a couple of hours could be)

The Wulf trials gloves were pretty disappointing, they're neoprene but leak at the fingertips- unsealed seams. But not warm enough for that to work out even in the relatively warm last week. Bit pointless. Ordered another pair of different Glacier Gloves which look like they might be a bit less extreme than the Perfect Curves (and also have a less crap cuff)

Shirley No glove is going to be "waterproof" I mean it's just not possible..

Neoprene gloves are supposed to allow a teeny amount of water in then your body temperature heats the water and then thats kinda gets locked in.

I really think it's the best of a bad situation, don't honestly think you'll find anything waterproof, best get used to that idea.

I use a couple of types of glove, neo' for when it's pissing down before I go out and they'll stay wet and just about warm. But then I have to make sure I put some steep hills in my training loops just to get the heart beating and some warmth in my body/hands..

I've no idea about commuting in the rain, hope you find something 😕

I suspect something has been lost in translation with those castelli gloves as neoprene is not going to waterproof.

If you want waterproof this is where you need to be. Goretex, fully taped seams.

http://www.snowandrock.com/arcteryx-beta-ar-glove/arc-teryx-glove/ski-snowboard-outdoor-sports/fcp-product/50864?listing=true

I really think it's the best of a bad situation, don't honestly think you'll find anything waterproof, best get used to that idea.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo.....

(PS: Putting a smiley face next to that, doesn't make it acceptable, "molgrips").

Gotama - Member

I suspect something has been lost in translation with those castelli gloves as neoprene is not going to waterproof.

Eh, neoprene is waterproof. Foamed neoprene (like wetsuits) isn't but the neoprene material itself is (like drysuits). So yes neoprene gloves can be 100% waterproof.

I think you're an arsehole. And inept

Molgrips loses.

Any good (just) warm gloves? I mean riding when its too cold for it to actually rain- frost/snow or even subzero. So waterproof doesn;t really apply to me- if its cold enough and its chucking it down I wont ride.

Subzero OR snow .. .I LOVE

Sealskinz lobster mitts.

Eh, neoprene is waterproof. Foamed neoprene (like wetsuits) isn't but the neoprene material itself is (like drysuits). So yes neoprene gloves can be 100% waterproof.

Huh, well I stand corrected, I was just assuming they were wetsuit material, didn't realise you could have different types of neoprene. Just goes to show, never listen to anything ever says on the interwebs. 😀

Except me, definitely listen to me 😉

@Hora- Fox Antifreeze are very warm, and not waterproof so they don't suffer from the sweatiness and Stench of Death that the Perfect Curves have. Good feel too, for what they are- they're the least winter-glove-feely of all the gloves I've worn that can compete on heat. But expensive and a wee bit shortlived, they're basically a softshell and the outer laminate flakes off over time. Not the strongest recommendation really but they are decent- I have bad circulation, they keep my hands working when most things won't.

[url= http://45nrth.com/ ]ta da[/url]

[i]Well. Fell at the first fence. Rode in constant heavy rain today. They just gave up after ten miles and I rode the second half with my hands encased in soggy wet neoprene.
**** useless.
The search gores on...[/i]

er I don't want to say I told you so, but I told you so 🙂

The castellis are great to about 3 degrees in the dry, colder than that and they don't keep my hands very warm. Bearable to about 0.

I'll say it again 'tuffbag paclite mitts'.

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So you've bought something similar to the castelli then!

It's not the warmth I'm on about. It's the waterproofing (don't understand why you didn't get that).

And I don't understand why you fail to grasp that I've recommended a completely waterproof glove but your search still goes on.

Ah.

Hm.

Well, I'm not quite ready to accept loss of fingering (*ahem*). (Possibly the wrong thread). 😉

I've got some Mountain Hardwear waterproof gloves I wear for hill walking when it's properly cold and my Windstopper gloves aren't cutting it. I've not tried it, but I've no doubt that if I left them dipped in a bucket overnight there'd be no water inside.

But when I head down and the temperature rises I know when to take them off because it starts to get pretty damp in there. That's walking downhill, in the dry. This has lowered my expectations for how dry I can expect waterproof cycling gloves to keep my hands even when it's not raining. When it is raining you've got probably got worse breathability over everything you're wearing, plus probably no hood, so that's more moisture for your base layer to wick into the top of your gloves. It's just never going to work very well is it?

It's tricky.

I'll say it again 'tuffbag paclite mitts'.

I've got these for alpine stuff (throwing over other, thinner gloves when needed).

100% recommended as a waterproof shell. Much tougher than they look/feel too.

But isnt dry warmth the holy grail of activity clothing. As a runner and general outdoors person I know unless I am almost stationary I will generate moisture inside my clothing. No material devised (as far as I am aware) allows perspiration to escape whilst keeping our wind and rain (and cold) Its all a case of accepting that and managing it.

Well, the stuff we use does allow moisture to escape, there's just a limit on how fast.

[i]100% recommended as a waterproof shell. Much tougher than they look/feel too. [/i]

I know, I've been telling him that for ****ing weeks and he won't listen 🙂

I'm listening, I'm listening. Believe me, it's on the list. If the next pair I've ordered don't work out, I'll be bagging it.

Nothing to do with the national refreshing mid-morning drink, obviously.

Well IMO that limit is incredibly low and I have experience of Goretex and Event and a few lesser well know brands. In reality it is very much a case of over promising by the industry.

The best I can hope for is to be damp rather than wringing wet. Usually I don't notice if my base layer is wet unless it's running down my body.

My clothes get damp biking even if I am not wearing a shell at all.

Having been through a number of options I've settled on Seal Skizzers as providing the best solution so far for me. This is speaking as a year round road bike commuter and MTB rider not benefitting from hands that naturally feel hot, although I don’t suffer from Raynaud's phenomenon either. That they seem to be available at a discount relatively regularly is a bonus.
The gloves, like the socks, are about as water resistant as I think is reasonable. None of their stuff seems to have a particularly ergonomic cut (quire squared off) but In practice I don't notice.

Specifically for winter on the commute bike I've just acquired the below. These are only good when temperatures approach freezing as they are really are quite warm. When it was ~3 degrees for a few days on the way in a couple of weeks ago on the way in they were toasty. Their bulk means that I think their use for MTB would be limited, as bar feel would be reduced. I don't tend to wear a jacket whilst commuting as I find my own sweat makes me as wet as the rain would. As such rain will run in the top of them as has been observed. I believe that they stay warmer than expected due to their windproof construction.

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For the MTB and in-between times of the year on the commute bike I like to use their lighter-weight cousin, backed up by merino liners if it becomes necessary. These give better bar feel. I find that wearing a jacket with sleeves long enough to come past the wrist will dramatically reduce the running of water down and into the glove. However, nothing will ultimately stop the gloves getting wet-through after long enough, especially considering all of the additional spray on the MTB. Again, the windproof construction does a lot to keep the warmth in even when wet.

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My sealskin biking gloves have never leaked on me and with liners I've been out in minus temps and they've been fine.

@thisisnotaspoon: "QUICK TIP: If you have got them wet on saturday and you are sailing on sunday - pour warm water into them and put your hands in - they will be toasty all day! "

It does work. In used to do it with my neoprene ones.

That seems like a lot of material and a lot of seams in the palm but aside from that they seem like a good shout.

The downside would be the lack of padding in the palm, you'd need very soft grips to be comfortable. On the plus side they'd be the last pair of cycling gloves youd ever need, I once used my cycling gloves for sailing and burnt through the palm in an hour!

They also do a polypro base layer range including glove liners and socks, it's kinda like really thin roubaix fabric, but polypropylene is water repellant whereas lycra absorbs it, so it's really warm.

Note: I'm not affiliated sith them in any way, they're just the Wiggle/DHB of the sailing world, other brands of winter base layers are made form similar stuff.

I suspect something has been lost in translation with those castelli gloves as neoprene is not going to waterproof.

Neoprene is waterproof, my wetsuit only lets in water through the wrists/ankels/neck. It's only not waterproof if you don't glue the seams/blind stitch etc. Decent wetsuits are glued together then stitched on both sides half way through so there's no holes.

Downside it stinks taking it off and rinsing it after a warm day turns the water milky!

100% recommended as a waterproof shell. Much tougher than they look/feel too.

Those Tuff Bags look just the ticket. They make a lot of sense. But the price 😯 It's a couple of bags. Goretex maybe, but non the less, there must be a cheaper alternative knocking about somewhere? Plastictex or something.