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I watched the Imagine programme last night about the eBook revolution, with many comparing it to the invention of the printing press.
I really can't see books dying out, paperbacks may will be affected most of all. But there's nothing like a really well printed tome on your favourite subject (motorsport being mine). The main benefit of iPad type books seemed to be their interactivity, but surely then they are no more than websites in an app?
I can see the advantage of Kindles for people who travel a lot or read on the train etc.
What do you all think, will you be ditching your paperbacks and coffee table books for eBooks and iPads?
Real books are easier to flip forwards and back, just to clarify and check
My mrs is a bit of a technophobe and loves books. I bought her a kindle. She hasn't bought a book since. It's not that the kindle is more convenient, it's just easier to read.
I didn't need converting. Books will go the way of film cameras. They'll virtually disappear overnight and the few left will be for nerds and the pathologically contrary.
No chance. Can't be arsed with any more technology than is necessary and I love a good book, especially tatty well-read / second hand ones. I can't imagine loving an electronic piece of plastic tat.
It's not that the kindle is more convenient, it's just easier to read.
It's not that the kindle is more convenient, it's that you don't need a gods damned spare room to house all your books.
real books:
1) don't need a battery to be kept charged
2) still work if the dog chews them a bit
3) still work if the dog pees on them
4) still work if you drop them
5) still work if you drop them in the swimming pool
6) can be borrowed from a library
7) can be lent/given to somebody else when you've done with them
gadget for gadget's sake IMO
I am not a reader as such but use technical guides and codes at work daily.
I cannot get away with reading on screen for work and tend to print off and work from this as it is easier to flick back and forth or make notes.
That said, I have no problems with reading on forums and other online content.
MTFU time??
Don't agree 5th - just like CDs (and now the re-emergence of vinyl), digital isn't going to replace the real thing anytime soon.
Despite TV, we still listen to radios. Despite the internet, we still watch TV.
I was looking at getting a tablet PC, mainly as a book reader, I thought that it would be better for diagrams in technical books than a kindle, but when I looked at the price of ebooks it hardly seems worth it.
They are clearly exploiting the market, like music and movies, instead of enticing users in with reasonable prices and services they are driving the consumer to illegal markets.
Actually, another salient point.
My Bro in law works at a local junior school and they have bought a kindle per pupil as apparently it is easier for them to read from, bookmark etc.
Maybe it is the end for books? Who has recently had a photograph printed (Or a full 'film' of photographs, not just the good ones?)
[i]7) can be lent/given to somebody else when you've done with them[/i]
got a book off the GF that's at least 10th hand. shabby but still readable (and it's got handwritten notes on it)
Don't agree 5th - just like CDs (and now the re-emergence of vinyl), digital isn't going to replace the real thing anytime soon.
Have a look at vinyl sales now compared to their peak, the pathetic trickle of sales are the just nerds and the pathologically contrary. 🙂
No chance. Can't be arsed with any more technology than is necessary and I love a good book, especially tatty well-read / second hand ones. I can't imagine loving an electronic piece of plastic tat.
This.
However, ebooks have their place for travelling where it would just be impractical to carry a case of books.
CharlieMungus - Member
Real books are easier to flip forwards and back, just to clarify and check
this
JamesO and John Drummer - + Many
Also, if I leave a book on an aeroplane, I rather hope someone has a good read. If I left an e-book reader, I'd be very out of pocket and rather miffed.
Books are ace.
As much as I see it would be great to have something compact to take on holiday with you, I wouldn't fancy leaving a kindle on the beach whilst I went for a swim. No such problem with a paperback
Electronic hyper-availability isn't going to kill the book - if anything, it's made yer actual old-school reading even [i]more[/i] of a pleasure.
Edit: I had to say it twice, for good measure.
I think the comparison between Vinyl / CD and Books / eReaders is a bit different.
Most people didn't own decent record players back in the 80's so the difference in sound quality between vinyl and CD was night and day. It was also easier to access tracks and skip between them - and you didn't have to get out of your seat every 20 minutes to flip sides!
Books are a visual, touchy feely thing though, which electronic devices can't replicate.
Friend of mine who devours ebooks tells me he can't remember who wrote any of them or even what they were called, because he doesn't have the cover/spine in his face or lying about around the place for a week while he reads.
Books won't die out, if anything it might mean less pulp paperbacks but I predict an increased demand for beautifully presented and bound volumes to provide for our asthetic whims and satisfaction.
Have a look at vinyl sales now compared to their peak, the pathetic trickle of sales are the just nerds and the pathologically contrary.
But there is still a market (which is growing again). And CDs still outsell downloads.
There was an excellent article in one of the national papers recently about the philosophical problems with the Kindle. IIRC, these include the nature of ownership (you don't actually [i]own[/i] an ebook on a Kindle), and interactivity.
From an academic point of view, you can't really engage the book in a 'dialogue' if you don't have margins. That makes something like an ebook less than ideal. Many of the books I use are marked up with pencil - something that really does enable a type of 'conversation' with the text.
In fact, I have an entire library's worth of books in PDF form on my hard drive, but I will still buy many of the same volumes in hard copy.
And an eBook won't fix a wonky table ( unless the adjustment required is the thickness of a Kindle).
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/dec/02/beautiful-book-covers ]A year of beautiful books[/url].
I have not read from a kindle but when reading complex documents at work i always prefer to print them off rather than read from the monitor.
I can see the advantage of kindles etc for travel but will still continue to buy books.
I have stopped buying dirty mags however and now view all my porn online 😆
+1 saxonrider
We have lots of e-textbooks for undergrads. But when i need to read one of the chapters i print it out so i can annotate it. We use iPads in seminars sometimes, and it is much easier to search for keywords electronically, but when you're looking across more than one page it is so frustrating to do electronically.
I will all ways have books - many of my books will not be available on a kindle having been out of print for decades. I will probably get a kindle tho for backpacking. last backpacking trip we had over a kilo of books with us - two kindles would be lighter
Ebooks will not be the end of books - there is so much a book can do that a klindle never can. Less book sales perhaps
TBH as soon as they offer some sensible way to get your existing books onto an ereader, I'm sold... I do like books and they'll still have their place but I don't have room for the books I own now, and I'm still buying more... And I read fast, so hauling a pile of paperbacks around on holiday is a total pain.
I have stopped buying dirty mags however and now view all my porn online
But that's only because the standards are higher online 🙂
I've been reading eBooks for years. (I've just realised it's almost a decade! God I'm old.) I've used various devices, and whilst I love the convenience of electronic reading, it's not killed my love of printed paper books. I like them both, they each have their pros and cons.
In contrast, the number of CDs and vinyl records I've bought in the last few years has to be down in the double digits, and I buy a fair amount of music. I'd be the same with movies etc if it wasn't for the fact that I have a lousy DSL connection and it would be a massive pain to download digital video regularly. The difference is that you need a CD player or a DVD player to use those things, and when you have a computer you can just cut out the middle-man and go directly digital. A book, though, stands by itself. All you need is your eyes and (unless you're reading Dan Brown or something) a brain.
The unit cost of printed books will probably go up over the next few years due to reduced demand, and there will probably be far fewer titles available, but I don't think the book will go away completely in the way that, say, magnetic cassette tapes or floppy discs pretty much have, and the way that CDs and DVDs will. The book is far too elegant an invention for that to happen.
Well for me the kindle version outsells my paperback by around 3 to 1, but then the kindle version is around 1/3 of the cost of the book right now.
For me reading a story on a kindle is fine, but for academic works I really feel the need for marking sections, adding notes and flipping back and forth and I can't see myself giving up books any time soon. Maybe a few which are not so important to me I would read on a Kindle.
Maybe if interfaces improve in the coming year it may get better, and there is the advantage of space when travelling, but I also have a dream of having a mini library in my home one day with all my books finally on shelves.
er.. dog pees on my book = book goes in binjohn_drummer - Member
real books:
1) don't need a battery to be kept charged
2) still work if the dog chews them a bit
3) still work if the dog pees on them
4) still work if you drop them
5) still work if you drop them in the swimming pool
6) can be borrowed from a library
7) can be lent/given to somebody else when you've done with themgadget for gadget's sake IMO
dog pees on expensive electronic toy = dog goes in bin
you've put me right off librarys too
I rarely buy new books... again, I doubt kindles etc will see the death of 2nd hand bookshops. Or for that matter, libraries.
I'd never take my kindle to the beach or on the bog or in the bath.
But really, there's nothing quite as nice as holding a real book. Maybe once old fogies like me all die off and the new generation who have only know ebooks are in charge, then your revolution will happen.
And then of course these chaps will turn up.
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Don't say I didn't warn you. And if anybody doesn't know who those chaps are, you need to read more books.
[i]Or for that matter, libraries. [/i]
Not many left now....
Morlocks
Not many left now....
Tis true, unfortunately. I suppose I meant that the [i]demand[/i] is still there... judging by what I see in Bristol's central library, anyway.
Funny only the other day we were putting a load of the old kids books up in the loft, the bread knife not wishing to chuck them away cos of the memory's they hold for us, each of the kids had a favourite they'd demand read over and over.
It'll be the grandchildren next she said... Nah said I, grand kids if and when they come will have ebooks, probably won't even have to read them, they'll just plug right on in. They'll have digital ipaper for pictures nobody will need to read the info will get delivered as a memory. You never know what's coming. But they'll probably not need these books ever again.
samuri - Member
Or for that matter, libraries.Not many left now....
really? got any figures?
samuri - Member
Or for that matter, libraries.Not many left now....
really? got any figures?
Big worry for me would be what happens to all your e-books and paid for content if Amazon or whoever is running the platform goes tits up. I'd imagine it would all disappear overnight. Remember what happened when there was an IP dispute over the Orwell books.
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/17/amazon-kindle-1984 ]Kindle Orwell Incident[/url]
I listen to a lot of audiobooks, so would echo CharlieMungus' comment about ease of flipping back and forward where necessary to check facts. Much more hassle on an MP3 player.
That said, I read a lot of paperbacks and they're invaluable on cycling tours. Read 20 pages, set up camp the next night and voila: 20 pages of instant kindling for your camp fire (plus weight loss). Grand.
The 'transferability' issue mentioned earlier might be the cllncher.
I still buy pretty much all my music on CD but the first thing I do when I get it home/open up the parcel is stick it in the laptop and rip it to .mp3. I love having the physical object but prefer the ease of use of the digital version.
Sure some publishers are doing it already, but I reckon the tipping point might start to come when you automatically get an e-book license when you buy a physical book. Best of both worlds? What about a 'smart' wireless bookmark that reads page numbers and syncs your ebook version automatically so you can switch seamlessly between physical and ebook?
Not a huge book reader myself but my wife Zoe is (was). Got her a Kindle last Christmas and it's the first electronic gadget I've ever seen her 'engage' with. Don't think she has picked up a physical book for pleasure reading since.
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