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Yep ioniq 5 10k miles mix of motorway, fast a roads and local bimbling. 3.5 miles per kWh
Local roads and a bit of motorway, in summer, our eUp! has managed 7 miles/kWh. The worst was 3.5 miles/kWh, 70mph on a motorway with a sea kayak on the roof - I slowed to 50mph and improved that to 5 miles/kWh to avoid a charging stop.
Team. Bit of news I’ve just seen for anyone with an Andersen charger, they seem to have gone bust
My E-Tron has averaged about 2.5mi/kw.hr in the 2600 miles I’ve had it - a lot of 70mph driving to be fair but it doesn’t get much better than 2.7 even on slower journeys. It’s just a heavy, big car I guess. It is extremely refined though.
For all that it’s cost an average of 6p/mile to run - mostly thanks to the work chargers being cheap.
Really shitty news about Anderson ☹️ I've not even had my charger 12 months. The app was always awful, but now I know why recently, and no idea how I'll program the thing now 🤷
That’s disappointing efficiency from the Audi and the Ioniq. I was really considering the latter as our next car, but may have to reconsider. Our 6y old i3 gets around 4.5-5.
@mulv1976 the consensus seems to be remove any scheduling from it. When the cloud goes down, it’ll go offline for 15 then restart as a ‘dumb’ charger.
I’m gutted also. Highlights the very real problem of smart services being cloud based, whatever the product.
Plus we’ve just lost warranties and ongoing support. Really bad.
The Audis efficiency isn’t too much of a surprise - it was Audis first EV and is a large, heavy car prioritising luxury, and a traditional car look and feel. I’ve mentioned earlier that I didn’t choose it, it’s a loan while my i4 is being built which will hopefully be massively better on efficiency.
I am surprised at an Ioniq not having good efficiency though as its tech is about as up to date as it gets. It was also on my short-list. It is, like a lot of modern EVs though a crossover style, so tall and upright rather than low and sleek so I guess high speed range would be conpromised.
Tesla Bjorn has tested all of these for range and it’s worth looking up his videos.
Turns out his results are all published on Google drive - hope the link below works
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HOwktdiZmm40atGPwymzrxErMi1ZrKPP
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If it’s still on my company car list in a year, I was considering the Kia EV6. Although it’s the same car underneath, kind of hoping it will be more efficient than the ionic 5, as it’s not quite as tall.
I regularly see 3.8-4 mpKWH out of my A250e on my journey to and from work (60-65 mph motorway), so was hoping for similar, as the Mercedes is a compromised set up rather than ground up ev.
Interesting discussion on mpkWh - what driving mode are people using. Kia Soul 64Kw - using normal mode (out of sport, normal eco an eco+) and 2 on a scale of 0 to 3 for regenerative braking. As above getting just shy of 5 miles per kWh with no motorway driving, and little NSL A road
For me, eco Vs normal makes no difference to the economy. But it does make it harder to nip out of a junction. In eco it reduces throttle response right across the range until the very end of the pedal travel. So you can get between 0 and maybe 60% or 100%. But in a powerful car 60% might be plenty
Eco mode, not so much because of performance because flooring it overides anyhow. It limits the heater and A/C so it does improve range and is smoother to drive.
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Really shitty news about Anderson ☹️ I’ve not even had my charger 12 months. The app was always awful, but now I know why recently, and no idea how I’ll program the thing now 🤷
Same. Had mine installed in Dec last year .
Never used the app side of things really, other than to lock it when we were away. I’ll have to just switch it off at the consumer unit.
I wondered why the app had stopped working.
Fortunately, I have a spare box in case this one goes down. They sent the wrong length cable originally and when I wanted it replacing they sent a whole unit ( minus front cover).
Tried numerous times to get them to pick it up .
Guess I’m keeping that as compensation now !!
I’m really edging toward an i4. It seems to have the best features of a Tesla without actually being a Tesla M3 - by that I mean drivetrain efficiency vs cabin.
I never thought I’d say this, but I like the iX. In person it certainly has presence and the cabin is bloody lovely, but 116kWh battery to get 340miles of range…!
I’m really edging toward an i4
It'd be my choice if I could afford it. Aren't they £70k?
An Ioniq 6 is perfect on paper, but no-one in the motoring press seems bothered by binging, or over-aggressive climate control, and these things really bother my wife.
Mercedes seem more aligned with my wife's sensibilities - no bongs, smooth climate control etc - and there was an electric B class that might suit our requirements.
i4s are around £52k for the base model, a few k more for the m sport and £65k for the M50. That’s before you start adding options of course and being BMW there are plenty of options.
I have a Q4 Etron Quattro on order, since august, and it’s due next June. I did look at the i4, but by the time I specced it up to similar to the Audi, it was an extra £200 a month to lease on Tusker…
Pity as looks really good, but awfy pricey..
i4s are around £52k for the base model, a few k more for the m sport and £65k for the M50. That’s before you start adding options of course and being BMW there are plenty of options.
Friend of mine pretty much ticked all the boxes and came up around £72k for his.
That’s if he ever gets it. Several dates have come and gone , and now they can’t even give him a date for one.
I have a car on order at the moment that is at least 12 months ( according to dealer - website says 6 to 9 months).
At least with the crazy wait times, current car is pretty much valued at the same cost as when I got it nearly 12 months ago.
@dantsw13 How big is the boot on your Ioniq5? With the rear seats down, can you easily fit an MTB intside with the wheels on?
electric B class
is this some new B-class? Or the old one?
When we saw one of those a few years ago we asked our MB dealer if they had one for us. ‘No. Don’t buy one. It’s a compliance vehicle. How about trading in you current diesel B-class for one of these super-efficient petrol ones?’. I paraphrase, but it was along those lines. Shame, as the ~100 mile range would have been fine for most days.
NP, we hung on to it until the term ended and my SO got a Tesla Model 3. Different. And better.
We came across one of the old electric B classes charging at a motorway services once. They charge at 11kw max; peeking through the window suggested it was on 10% or something like that. I hope they didn't have far to go, because it could have taken hours. We didn't wait, and went to the next charger along instead...
is this some new B-class? Or the old one?
When we saw one of those a few years ago we asked our MB dealer if they had one for us. ‘No. Don’t buy one. It’s a compliance vehicle.
Depends what you want it for. They are apparently nice cars, just a small 90 mile range. But that's fine for a commuter car. It'd never charge away from home.
if you're happy with a lowish range, what about the honda e? Seems to be well made and get good reviews, but most discount it on the available range.
would love a honda e, very cool but expensive and range is not great (but fine for urban driving)
if you’re happy with a lowish range, what about the honda e?
If that's for me then yes that's a fair point. The thing is - more range is better, because then I'd use it more and 'save' more money on petrol. But I'd accept lower range for a lower purchase price. Honda es start from £28k which isn't bad for an EV but it's still a lot of money. I'd be looking at used cars for under £20k and preferably under £15k. The only cars under £15k are old Leaves and older Zoes with batter lease. There's a B class on Autotrader now for £16,500 which is, in EV terms, pretty cheap. And probably a nicer car than the other options.
I don't want another lease with the possibility of job insecurity and uncertainty in our future.
broadspeed have some very lightly used mazda electric suv things for <£20k. Again, low ish range but might suit your needs
edit : £21k. Still, seems like a great buy compared to an old zoe or similar..
https://twitter.com/broadspeed/status/1581933399614160896/photo/1
I hadn't heard of Broadspeed, but you cannot search by fuel type it seems 🙁
they're a broker rather than directly a sales team. when you buy new they just hook you up with a local dealer. Might be the same for used, I've no idea. Link up there ^^
robingrant - just got an Ionic 5 and I think you'll need to drop the front wheel out but theres plenty of width. Had ours about two weeks now and its bloody great on all fronts. I post more experiences after next week when we will have done couple of longer trips.
Walking through that London this morning and saw this.
Looks like a nifty alternative to dedicated charging units everywhere.
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You could see some idiot purposely tripping over that cable.
These have been talked about for a long time, glad they are actually appearing.
There's been some legal discussion on cables; apparently it's ok to trail cables across a pavement if you follow the same rules as contractors i.e. use a cable strip. However I can see that's not likely to apply to the lamppost charger since it's not actually across the pavement in that photo.
You could see some idiot purposely tripping over that cable.
You could equally see some idiot purposefully stretching the cable across the gap between cars.
Odds on "pavement vigilantes" cutting "dangerous" cables anyone?
The company I do most of my work for installs them on lighting columns in various areas of London
Anyone drive a Cupra Born? Considering one if I can't stretch to the EV6 GT
Odds on “pavement vigilantes” cutting “dangerous” cables anyone?
Odds on them doing it twice?
Righty electric bods. My employer has just announced they are going to participate in the salary sacrifice scheme for leccy motors.
I'm higher tax payer, so this looks like a decent option - it's a fully serviced/insured scheme from the sounds of it, no deposit, just a monthly fee.
My car is 20 years old, the Mrs's 10 yrs and a little run about is 10 years. I could be tempted to get rid of my car if the deal is good. Wouldn't want anything big, doesn't need to be. I actually cycle to work, so this wouldn't save money, well it might, MrsF would use it.
I do like to look of the little Honda. Ideally, MrsF would commute to work in it.
Worth it ? Don't have an idea of cost, but leasing an EV seems better. Can anyone tell me what they are paying a month on a similar scheme (after tax etc).
If you already own your car outright, the cost of a new lease is a big expense, even with the tax breaks. That's the position I'm in. Even the cheapest deals cost a lot more than fuel and maintenance for my 8 year old diesel c4 picasso.
My company uses Octopus as a provider - everything included. The Honda E seems disproportionately expensive - net cost, after tax, BIK etc is £547 (your prices will prob be slightly different)
Best value one that I can see is the MG 4 (normal range) which comes in at £319. These are both 3 years/10,000 miles.
319 a month is 456 gallons of diesel a year at current prices, or about 22,000 miles. of course this doesn't take into account the potential pleasure of owning a new car that is perhaps nicer to drive and also the chance of a nasty repair bill to pass an MOT or something.
If the car was a bit bigger, and we could use it for holidays, weekends away as well as everyday/school run then it would be just about worth it financially, but with three kids and a dog, it's not practical yet.
The iD Buzz, which would be cool, is £675 a month and not scheduled for delivery till may 2024.
If it’s Tusker, check the maffs very, very carefully. They have a sneaky trick of raising the price just before the car is delivered and then presenting you with an ultimatum the day before. They also use weird residual values so you will almost certainly be better off buying privately via PCP and bank loan (eg an 18 month old Tesla Model 3 with 20,000 miles will happily go for more than the new price at auction). Profit goes to Tusker.
They also have the highest charges of the bunch and the most restrictive policies regarding maintenance etc (eg they insist that you use their preferred back street garage for servicing etc, even if it’s 100 miles away).
Tyres don’t get replaced until below 2mm across the whole tread, so you may have some sketchy moments in the winter when they’re part-worn. I sent a recorded delivery letter putting on record that I considered it an unacceptable risk, which will be “exhibit A” when it comes to paying any excess in an insurance claim.
You’ll automatically lose any no-claims discount if you come off the scheme.
Good luck getting hold of them if there’s a problem.
Worth it ?
Depends on the miles you do.
We're doing 26 miles a day and saving about £100/mo on fuel.
Anyone got an i4? If so, what do you think, or if it’s currently on order, what’s your lead time looking like?
My Tesla lease is coming to an end next Autumn, and I fancy a car built by grownups.
I've got an i4 on order - was ordered in August, the lease company tell me an estimated late Jan delivery but that appears to be a guess as BMW havn't given a leadtime yet. From what I can gather from others on facebook forums e40's seem to be running 6 months ish, M50s 9-12 months. Big emphasis on "ish" there.
I did test drive both a Model 3 and an i4 and when ordering had a choice between a RWD Model 3 and an e40 i4 - pretty comparable in lots of ways. The i4 feels much more grown up and like a premium car, the Model 3 feels more modern and futuristic - a quick test drive will make the differences obvious. The i4 is a hatchback so far more practical for my uses (bike in back etc). One other thing is that the base i4 is missing a lot of tech that you're likely used to from the Model 3 - 360 cameras, adaptive cruise etc as with BMW a lot of premium functions come as part of option packs. Worth checking before ordering as a dealer demonstrator will likely have a lot of options boxes ticked that might not be on you actual car.
Thanks. I’d got the feeling the lead time would be around 9 months.
Spec’ing a base 40 with the stuff I have on my Tesla comes in at a price I’m happy with, and having had a Model 3 Performance I’m happy to have the slower car and more comfort.
https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/pnlbd21z
Will get the company lease outfit to arrange a car for a weekend test. Am aware that most demonstrators have the adaptive suspension on, but I’m pretty sure BMW know how to do standard suspension well, especially with 18in wheels.
Well we're five weeks and 1k miles in with the Ionic 5 and loving it. Been getting free top ups at the nearby Tesco and got a Zappi installed last week. Used it once so can't give any cost analysis that is meaningful yet.
However the love dropped a notch today. Picked up a nail right on the edge of the side wall so a repair isn't viable. £325s worth of new tyre on Thursday!!!!!! A mates Aston has cheaper tyres FFS.The fitters reckon theres a real shortage of the appropriate EV tyres with Hyundai being responsible for the shortage. Apparently the are buying up any available stock.
EV tyres
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When my Model S needed new tyres I just bought the regular version rather than the foam-damped ones. No obvious difference in any way.