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@dangerousbeans not sure where you stay near Elgin but on the ChargePlace Scotland app there are 18 chargers in the area between Forres and Elgin. I’m sure you’d be near one at some point.
IONITY fast charger at Perth and Tesla Supercharger open to all in Aviemore. For coffee stop charges on way up if the car can handle fast charges.Not saying EV would be best for you but it’s not as hard as you think it is
Thanks.
Usually Burghead so not too far to get charged once we get up there.
Usually Burghead
50kW and a 22kw at of all places the cemetery, at a reasonable 30p/kw.
I urge you to consider it, presumably you are curious by posting on this thread?
I am.
Looking at something like that Ioniq28 that Molgrips mentions seems to be approaching the range of my pricing if I take something with high mileage and an average range of 115 miles according to the Electric Vehicle Database.
I'll need to have a charger fitted to the house which looks to be about a grand, have smart meters fitted, change to an EV tariff and accept more expensive daytime heating bills; the car should be great at home except for long work days in cold weather - not sure the NHS will be happy with me sat charging on their time, we're not even supposed to fill up in working hours.
It's longer journeys that I'm struggling to get my head around, stopping hourly for a 30 minute charge on 50kWh chargers, possibly more frequently in cold weather (quoted range is 85 miles for cold highway driving).
I can't imagine driving to Italy stopping every hour; it must have taken you ages.
Some of the chargers in Scotland seem to be slower (7kWh?) so 4 hours charging per hour of driving- Eek.
50kW and a 22kw at of all places the cemetery, at a reasonable 30p/kw.
When I googled it an app called Zapmap brought up that one but it says Zero devices and Zero connectors.
Did you use a different app?
How do you know which apps are accurate?
Do you have a work base? Most NHS premises here have a couple of charge points. All the pool cars at my wife’s work are electric and there are 4 charging spaces.
EV tariffs are all different. Mine is a flat rate for all usage with credits applied the following month if I schedule the smart charger to do its own thing when the grid is at low load. All I do is plug it in when I get home, tell the app what charge I want and by when and it does the rest. Does rely on a smart meter and specific couple of charger though.
7kw public chargers are the same power as most home ones, so designed for car sitting overnight at work/public buildings. As you say, not much use for a quick top up.
If I were you, I’d be waiting another couple of years before newer cars with bigger batteries start to filter down the second hand market. I wouldn’t have gone electric if all I had the choice of were smaller batteries options. For me a 200 mile range was a minimum.
That is a conundrum I agree. Regularly driving long distance in Scotland with a small battery and slow charging is a more difficult proposition.
Definitely don't want to be going near 7kw chargers unless you have made a mistake or it's an overnight stop. Anything that can do over 100kw charging means that's it's a coffee stop at most to get charged to 80%. What's interesting is that you also ideally arrive at your destination low on charge then you can charge overnight while sleeping, so the mind set is different to drive/fill-up/repeat that you'd do with an ICE cat.
I'm fortunate my car charges really fast, so Italy was 5 stops. Basically every 2 / 2.5hrs, which I do anyway. By the time I'd had a toilet break and grabbed a drink it was ready to go again. I think it took around 45 minutes longer to get to Chamonix than when we last did it in a petrol car. And that's over a whole day, so almost unnoticeable.
I think it's fine for certain use cases just to be better in an ICE overall. My i3 is 150-180 in summer, about 20% less in really cold weather. The Polestar is arriving in a few weeks 🙂 And that'll be about 50% more range, but less economical than the i3.
I'll be going from sw wiltshire to argyll in the summer. No way I'd consider doing it in the i3, but I would think about it in the new car at least (picking up en route so have choices). Last time I did that trip was over 10 hours and I stopped for about 15 minutes overall. But I've bloody loved chilling at 56 in the i3 when hypermiling that, so slow and steady might be the way forward.
Do you have a work base? Most NHS premises here have a couple of charge points. All the pool cars at my wife’s work are electric and there are 4 charging spaces.
We do but we are a satellite base on another Trusts site with a small carpark of our own - no chargers.
Plus most of us start our journeys from home to first visits rather than driving to base then setting off from there and usually finish our last visit then straight home - they class us as finishing work as soon as we leave the last patients house if we don't return to base to end our shift.
That saves me the commute in the morning which, for the 8 miles, can be an hour to Dewsbury and it seems pointless to drive to base when I've finished just to clock out.
Obviously costs me in expenses as they deduct the 16 miles from my mileage claim every day as they argue if they didn't give us the perk of starting and finishing at home then we would have to do the mileage to get to and from work.
That is a conundrum I agree. Regularly driving long distance in Scotland with a small battery and slow charging is a more difficult proposition.
If I were you, I’d be waiting another couple of years before newer cars with bigger batteries start to filter down the second hand market
This is my thinking.
The Polestar is arriving in a few weeks
I'd never even heard of Polestars before today. Out of touch? Me? Nah?
And looking at the prices I could afford a steering wheel.
They do look nice though.
Obviously costs me in expenses as they deduct the 16 miles from my mileage claim every day as they argue if they didn’t give us the perk of starting and finishing at home then we would have to do the mileage to get to and from work.
This is typical interpretation of the HMRC guidance on mileage.
For example back in the day if I needed to travel to a distant site rather than my usual office the distance from office to home was deducted from the outward and return distance. It seems a reasonable measure. And seems an incentive to reduce commuting distance and use low emission/low cost transport.
For day to day charging there’s no issue but I travel to Northern Scotland for leisure a lot
Bottom line is that your long journeys may be a little less convenient, with longer and more frequent stops.
But set that against the fact that you'll be paying about 4p per mile on fuel for all the local stuff, year round.
Plus the road tax and (maybe) city ULEZ zone stuff if applicable...
Only you can decide if the trade-offs are worth it.
Personally, I'm delighted with our new EV, the remaining issue is how easily we can transport bikes and tandems. Nominal range is 280 miles but based on our driving we are getting comfortably over 300, though it will be less with bikes on the car. As importantly, it's lovely to drive. Then again, a new petrol car would be too, my previous wheels have always been bangernomics.
4p per mile?? On EV tariffs should be less than 2p per mile.
even the “it’s too expensive” line is starting to sound like excuse not a reason
Hm, that sounds a bit out of touch. £15k is a lot of money for a lot of people.
4p per mile?? On EV tariffs should be less than 2p per mile.
Yes. As I've said before, we save £100/mo on fuel commuting, and her work is only 13 miles away. The Ioniq EV might be the most efficient car you can get, but I would suggest waiting until you can afford a 38kWh one as the 28 is pretty small.
And it might be a bad time to buy a cheaper car as the prices do seem to be plummeting.
As importantly, it’s lovely to drive. Then again, a new petrol car would be too
EVs are soo much better to drive than any ICE. It's a revelation, it's how cars should always have been. All that messing about with smelly fuel, noisy machines with thousands of moving parts and gears and clutches and whatnot seems so crude now.
remaining issue is how easily we can transport bikes and tandems. Nominal range is 280 miles but based on our driving we are getting comfortably over 300, though it will be less with bikes on the car.
how will you be carrying them ? Seems roof bars and racks eat up the range, towbar racks much less so.
The thing to realise is that all electricity is equal... A kWh is a kWh.... Like a litre of petrol is a litre of petrol ..regardless of where it's from...
However... The important thing to consider is how FAST it's delivered...
It's the same sparks coming through your 3pin plug hanging out your window...it's just delivered much slower (say 3kW/hr) than a super fancy Tesla supercharger (200+kW/hr)..
Of course, in order to take advantage of cheaper EV tariffs you'll need a specific EV charger... But if you're on an acceptable overall rate, you may be happy simply NOT having an EV charger and just using the 3 pin plug. This is if you can charge enough for your needs overnight...
To charge my car from full from nearly empty would take about 14hours on a 3pin plug hanging out the window....
But if I needed to solely charge at home, I'd just plug in every night (I use about 30% per day commuting)... And keep it topped up.
So unlike an ICE whereby you'd be daft popping to the local shell every eve to top up, you can EASILY do this at home.
I'm not convinced a community NHS worker would cover more than 100miles per day?
Regarding your longer trips... I've no answer to that... I guess you have to accept the PERFECTION of an EV in and around town (and they are soooo good for that) had to have a downside... Longer journeys being that...
DrP
3kW/hr
You mean 3kW
£15k is a lot of money for a lot of people.
It's roughly the combined cost of the last three cars I've bought.
I’m not convinced a community NHS worker would cover more than 100miles per day?
Brainfart on my part, was still thinking about Molgrips advice to fill up at 50%.
We do have a big patch being North and South Kirklees combined with some services we access in Barnsley; not unusual to have the odd 60+ mile day.
We used to be allocated caseloads by geographical area but not any more.
To charge my car from full from nearly empty would take about 14hours on a 3pin plug hanging out the window….
Which is why I'd prefer a dedicated charger so I don't have to leave a window open constantly.
Regarding your longer trips… I’ve no answer to that… I guess you have to accept the PERFECTION of an EV in and around town (and they are soooo good for that) had to have a downside… Longer journeys being that…
I think the answer is to either borrow money for a more expensive car with a better range or wait for them to become cheaper, probably the latter as I really don't like borrowing money and prefer to save for anything I want.
Last question (honestly). When recharging can you keep the heater on so you don't freeze charging in winter?
<p style="text-align: left;">@molgrips ... I guess I do!</p>
I'm much better working out a kid's dose at mg/kg of antibiotic!
I guess it's useful to think (for the novice..which I still am) that a 40kWh battery will take ROUGHLY 10 hours to 'fill' with a 4kW (per hour) charge rate... (I know it won't... Cos the last 15% really slows down... But hey)
DrP
I think DrP means 3000 joules per second hours per hour.
4p per mile?? On EV tariffs should be less than 2p per mile.
Yeah, well that depends on what's available. For most people, probably. For me, I'm on 16p overnight for 7h. If I could get Octopus Go (which I can't) I'd need to install a charger (which would be over £1000) as it's only 4h per night at the 7p rate which isn't enough charging time on the 3 pin plug I'm currently using. It would also possibly bugger up our heating which uses some storage rads.
TBH once you're down to under 4p per mile (I'm probably closer to 3 if I do the sums) there isn't really that much more to save. On 10k local miles that's only 400 quid over the year (multi-day long distance/holidays etc need public chargers anyway). If I install a charger, change tariff (which as I said isn't available to me anyway) I could make back the installation cost in 6 or 7 years, perhaps.
I think DrP means 3000 joules per second hours per hour.
That's terminal velocity , right.....
DrP
how will you be carrying them ? Seems roof bars and racks eat up the range, towbar racks much less so.
well the tandem(s) will be on the roof, there's not much option there plus I can do it by next week hopefully.
Can't get a hatchback rack to fit, halfords claimed to have one but the side straps pull on the plastic light clusters (embedded in the boot lid) which I'm not having. So I'll be trying a towbar. It's a change from a van for sure 🙂 But I used to have a Nissan micra which handled hatchback rack and roof bars with no problem.
How much of a performance hit remains to be seen...mostly I'm cruising rural roads at moderate speeds rather than tanking up the motorway at 75, so hopefully not too bad.
How much of a performance hit remains to be seen…mostly I’m cruising rural roads at moderate speeds rather than tanking up the motorway at 75, so hopefully not too bad.
there was a post somewhere back on this thread from someone with a Tesla 3 - roof bars and a couple of Thule carriers without bikes loaded knocked something like 50 real miles off the approx 350 they were getting I recall, and a couple of bikes on top brought the range down to about 65% of that with no bikes or racks.
I have gone towbar option on the EV I have on order through Tusker, though I already have the rack, and having a couple of ebikes, roof isn't really an option. If it's just me on my own, bike will fit inside with seats down and front wheel off
as above... bike on roof at 70mph EATS the battery (range drops about 1.7 miles for every mile travelled) ...but at 30mph it doesn't really appear to make a huge difference... I mean, clealy it MUST, but seems insignificant..
fiziks innit..
If i was a PROPER captain planet, I'd take the roof bars on/off all the time, but my use of them is so varied and unpredictable, I just leave them on..
DrP
was still thinking about Molgrips advice to fill up at 50%.
I'm not saying always do that, I'm saying it allows you flexibility if you don't want to or can't plan ahead.
I think the answer is to either borrow money for a more expensive car with a better range
Bear in mind the cost savings on fuel might pay for more car. We crashed our old car, so I looked around and as cars were so expensive at the time anything decent was five or six grand. We would have had to borrow the money, so I was able to compare the cost of the loan for a normal car against the lease for an EV. The EV came out cheaper than the loan would have been overall when fuel cost was included.
Of course in October the car's going back and we'll have no asset, but that's leasing for you 🙂
I was just having a peek at Leafs on Autotrader.. Plenty of higher mileage (70k miles) 40kWh Leafs on autotrader around the £10k mark....
DrP
Don't recommend a Leaf, they'll have to worry about ChaDemo vs CCS then!
a 40kWh battery will take ROUGHLY 10 hours to ‘fill’ with a 4kW (per hour) charge rate… (I know it won’t… Cos the last 15% really slows down… But hey)
If you could maintain the charge rate at 4kW, it would take about 10.5hrs to add 40kWh to a battery. Charging is typically about 95% efficient as some energy is lost as heat. As you say the charge rate slows when the battery approaches fully charged, but the recommendation from most EV manufacturers is not to routinely charge to more than 80%, to minimise the loss of battery life. I only charge to more if the trip will need it. I think some types of battery are more tolerant. I suspect that as well as reducing battery life, the charging efficiency reduces below 95% as it approaches fully charged - the charger is effectively working harder to stuff more electrons into a smaller space.
4kW is 4kJ per hour. 4kW per hour is meaningless unless it's describing how the rate of charge is changing.
^^^^
We use language like that, and we wonder why people get freaked out about EVs / units /charge rates etc etc....
😉
DrP
The charge rate of rapid chargers slows down above 80% but it may only slow to the rate of a 3kW charger. So you may get 3kW up to 99% or whatever. It's the max charge rate of the battery hat goes down, not what your charger can supply.
Last question (honestly). When recharging can you keep the heater on so you don’t freeze charging in winter?
Yes, pretty sure you can. You can also have it heat or cool the car just before you get into it so it's defrosted or cooled ready for you to drive.
4kW is 4kJ per hour
Ahem. per second.
But it's also 4kWh per hour which is usually easier maths when wondering how fast your car will charge 🙂
Are there (m)any chargers supplying 4kW? My 3 pin plug does about 3 and most alternatives are at least double (7.4 for standard domestic installation).
Re the question on roofracks above. I found that my efficiency took about a 25% hit on a combination of motorways at 65mph ish and dual carriageways and B roads. That's just from one trip though and it's for my specific car and driving style so don't read too much into that.
Re 7kW charging speed - I don't think that any modern car would slow down towards the end of charge, except for maybe the last % or two. On a rapid charger mine drops from a 200kW peak charge rate at the lower end of the battery to 20kW (ish) in the last little bit - well above 7kW
4kW is 4kJ per hour
Ahem. per second.
Oops! Quite so. I was going to write something about 4kW being 4kWh per hour and had hours in my brain.
I think 4kW was just a number Dr P picked as easy maths for 40kWh. I don't know of any 4kW chargers. My 13A plug in one is 1.4kW, my Zappi installed charger goes up to 7.2kW, but earlier versions only went to 3.6kW. That corresponds to 32A or 16A.
Are you abroad then? 13A here is about 3kW. Which gives a decent chunk of charge in 7h overnight, but not quite a third of my 64kWh battery. I'm considering whether we should get a dedicated charger, I expect the cable out of the window will get a bit tedious in a while.
Are you abroad then? 13A here is about 3kW
No, UK. It plugs into a 13A socket but it's not a 13A charger. The car is a VW, German sockets are 10A, but perhaps the charger is intended to be compatible with multiple countries so just draws the minimum 6A to maintain charging.
Dilemma time. My company car is up for renewal and I have the choice of a Tesla Model Y standard range, or a few models with longer range, such as a Polestar 2 LR or a Q4 40.
I need decent storage space for running my kids up to Nottingham so am edging towards the MY. If there are any Tesla drivers here, is the supercharger network still a big enough plus, to negate the lower range?
I think 4kW was just a number Dr P picked as easy maths for 40kWh
It was jsut for easy maths, yep..
DrP
The 'h' that DrP nonchalantly dropped from his kWh is interestingly* 'a non-SI unit of time accepted for use with the SI' https://metricsystem.net/non-si-units/accepted-for-use-with-si/hour/
*May not be found interesting by all readers.
That raises the question - do physicists talk about their car batteries in terms of MJ?
My car has a battery capacity of 2.2*10^24 electron volts.
EVs are soo much better to drive than any ICE. It’s a revelation, it’s how cars should always have been. All that messing about with smelly fuel, noisy machines with thousands of moving parts and gears and clutches and whatnot seems so crude now.
But don't you keep buying cars that fall apart and/or spend months in a sort of "diagnostics" phase? Are you the best judge of modern ICE cars?
Are you the best judge of modern ICE cars?
Why do you think I like EVs??
It's not that my cars break down, it's more like I am really picky.
That raises the question – do physicists talk about their car batteries in terms of MJ?
I'd hope they so! Interesting choice of units by an engineer here: http://www.withouthotair.com/c2/page_24.shtml. He uses kWh as his unit of energy, and "kilowatt-hour per day (kWh/d)" as his unit of power in that book.
It’s not that my cars break down, it’s more like I am really picky.
But they do break down, all the time.
FWIW, I'm professionally picky about cars.
Why do you think I like EVs??
Because you haven't bought an electrical lemon yet?
I’m considering whether we should get a dedicated charger, I expect the cable out of the window will get a bit tedious in a while.
We had an outside socket and still went with a charger. Few reasons
- we expect to have 2 electric cars eventually so might as well sort out infrastructure up front
- we wanted to take advantage of 4 hour window for very cheap octopus charging - 7kw would give us all the charge we need
- It's a bit tidier/easy to manage and I'm just not a fan or running 3 pin plugs flat out for ages (I know it's fine but..)
- I'm a total data geek and I really wanted to get my hands on all the stats from the OCPP messages / events
- we reckoned it'd add a bit of value to the house (nowhere near the cost) when we come to sell
- charging round here for public chargers is rubbish, most are 7kw
Not a compelling set of reasons, esp not financially but there's something satisfying about just plugging in the cable, hearing it clunk and knowing it'll fire off when the cheap tariff starts and be done in the morning.
The ‘h’ that DrP nonchalantly dropped from his kWh is interestingly
I'm confusing myself, I think..or not..
So the kWh is the BATTERY energy...
the kW is the power delivered by the charger..
So did I drop an 'h' incorrectly??? I dunno..
DrP
Because you haven’t bought an electrical lemon yet?
It's not cars breaking down that's the problem for me. It's a car that works fine but there's a slight bit of vibration or noise coming from the engine and it's making me constantly wonder what it is and if I should fix it. My cars aren't actually lemons.
So the kWh is the BATTERY energy
A watt is a unit of power, which means energy per unit time, in this case Joules (energy) per second. So a lightbulb of higher wattage is brighter. Over a fixed period of time, the higher wattage bulb uses more electrical energy.
Watts and joules mean any kind of energy. So your car's engine produces a certain number of watts of kinetic energy, and your charger can *supply* a maximum number of watts - 7kW in the case of your home charger. The car may not draw all that, because it regulates the current it is drawing.
If watts is energy per unit time, then multiplying watts by time gives you energy. So that means kWh and Joules are both units of the same thing. And indeed, 1 kWh is exactly the same as 3.6 MJ.
My car has a 100kW motor, meaning its maximum output is 100kW provided I'm below 95mph or whatever the top speed is. It has a 38kW battery which could power the motor at max power for 38/100 hours which is 0.38 hours.
I expect the cable out of the window will get a bit tedious in a while.
Fitting an outside socket would be pretty cheap. We have one in the garden for mowing the lawn.
Fitting an outside 'commando' socket would allow you to use a plug-in 7kW charger, which are cheaper. But they are not fixed down and hence more nickable.
I’m confusing myself, I think..or not..
So the kWh is the BATTERY energy…
the kW is the power delivered by the charger..
So did I drop an ‘h’ incorrectly??? I dunno..
DrP
You're there 🙂
kWh is indeed a unit of energy - so 40 kWh is the amount of energy the battery can store.
kW is a unit of power - so if your charger has a 4 kW power output it delivers 4 kWh per hour.
Power = Energy / Time. And you can re-arrange at will to get for example Energy = Power * Time.
The official SI unit of energy is the Joule. But we charge our cars for hours not seconds so instead of kilojoules (or kilowatt-seconds) we use kilowatt-hours so that your simple maths (40 kWh divided by 4 kW = 10 hours) works.
There's a bit of confusion because people often say '40 kilowatt' when describing their car battery instead of '40 kilowatt-hour'. No-one really cares because we know that when you're discussing a charger you're discussing its power, and when discussing a battery you're discussing its energy capacity. If you were an engineer working in the car industry you might want to discuss the power output of the battery (how quickly it can deliver its energy) but then you'd be on top of your units anyway.
Yay... 10 points for Gryffindor...
DrP
Any Ioniq 5 drivers heard when the V3 supercharger update is happening to make it compatible with 5he I5? Last I heard was Q2 2023……..
IMO the supercharger network gives you way more flexibility than an increased range. The speed and ease of use of the chargers means that it's so easy to nip in and top up. I've rarely had to go outside the network (North Yorkshire aside) and it's never let me down once.
Any Ioniq 5 drivers heard when the V3 supercharger update is happening to make it compatible with 5he I5? Last I heard was Q2 2023……..
I think I read that Ford and now Hyundai have announced they will be converting to selling cars with Tesla's charge port connector standard rather than CCS......so that might endanger this development coming to pass potentially?
I think this is relevant to America. Tesla’s over here use CCS.
Yep, whilst the EU all but mandated a common standard in I think 2014, the wonderful freedoms enjoyed by the US manufacturers allowed them to all choose their own standards. Some manufacturers have now decided to adopt the Tesla plug, which of course means they need to pay Tesla loads of money.
Any Ioniq 5 drivers heard when the V3 supercharger update is happening to make it compatible with 5he I5? Last I heard was Q2 2023……..
Not that I've seen. I barely get more than 60kw in the occasional v2 that I've used with my kia EV6 (so the same GMP platform as the i5). Not even tried a v3, but if it's only going to muster up the same, then on a long road trip it's always going to be a last resort option. So many other options available now and the Tesla app seems to direct owners to their chargers so often there's less queuing elsewhere anyway.
I’ve just put my name down for the VW 7 seater ibuzz. I’ve never bought a new car in my life (I’m 45), let alone put my name down on a waitlist for one. It’ll be replacing a Peugeot 5008 SUV from the mid teens that we’ve grown out of.
I’m actually not that excited, I slightly feel like cars are no different from washing machines (and I spent my childhood tracing Porsche 964s). But it’s the car that best suits us, so here we go!
I’m only really interested in the Tesla network for my Alps EV trip in the summer. Lots of the encounters Superchargers have 20+ stalls whereas most of the Aires have 4-6. They all seem to have V3 though.
V2s powershare between adjacent stalls, so at max 125, 60 ish can be about right.
The problem with superchargers is that Tesla is the most popular single manufacturer and all Tesla drivers want to go to them. They do fill up, so I'm told.
Yeah - but a queue waiting at 24 in use will move quicker than if there are only 4!
Plus the only ones open to non-Teslas were the quieter ones.
The only queues I saw driving to the Alps in march where for Tesla chargers. While right opposite them was a bay of 6 empty other chargers with me looking smug.
Oh they're where the usual queues for fuel as well. I guess that infrastructure isn't ready yet either? 😜
But neither of the above points matter, the Tesla drivers are not excluded from using any other network. 🤷♂️
not sure why Tesla drivers would sit and queue when there's an empty bank they can all use, even if there's a smug driver in one space. 😂
Thanks. I went for the Model Y SR in the end. My thoughts were that the supercharger network will just give me more options to charge, rather than just using it exclusively.
Some manufacturers have now decided to adopt the Tesla plug, which of course means they need to pay Tesla loads of money.
I don't think that's true, as I understand it it's covered under their open licence program. Yes it means it's easier to profit from non-Tesla's using their Supercharger network (and saves them the cost of having to install more converters on their existing Superchargers). NACS is actually a better connector than CCS to but a bit crap we can't have a global standard, although I can't say I'll be travelling outside of Europe in my EV.
I had read somewhere that there was a license payment but it appears not, fortunately:
Meanwhile, Tesla is set to make a lot of money off the new charger trend. GM and Rivian both told Gizmodo via email that they aren’t paying Tesla directly to use the NACS technology—outside of the charging fees that individual users will pay per charge—but still, that’s a lot of new revenue, and it’s unclear if the lack of licensing fee trend will hold.
What a pointless bunfight though. Who says competition always benefits the consumer?
Re Tesla drivers not using generic chargers - isn't it much cheaper for them to use Tesla? This could easily happen with non-Tesla cars too for an individual, because you might want to use a particular charger if that's in the network you've subscribed to.
Tesla Superchargers now down to 25p/kWh. I think their big competitors in the UK have some tough questions to answer given they're all between three to four times the price for slower charging and less reliability.
Superchargers don't need to make a profit, they can even be a loss leader for Tesla. Other companies not so much.
How long until you can buy a CCS to Tesla adaptor on Ali Express?
In Europe Tesla is CCS2, same as most other cars. So you don't need an adapter.
in shock and horror i shall be test driving a tesla in half an hour......
equally isnt one of teslas big pushes that they dont patent and licence things ?
in shock and horror i shall be test driving a tesla in half an hour
Expecting scathing review soon... 😉
Model y.
Very nice. A million miles away from the polestar 2 the other week.
Spacious airy cabin
Not a crashy ride (admittedly the one I drove had the bigger wheels but crucially also the deeper section tires)
Infotainment easy to use - a HUD would have been nice for key info such as speed.
Bottom line if it wasn't 40 grand I'd be more immediately interested.
The mighty berlingo needs replacing soon due to emissions rules....... May see what's about then but the thought of paying 500 quid a month with 5grand down and 5000 limited milage stings.
Yeah. They aren't hugely more expensive than comparable ICE cars but most are relatively high end and also quite new so you still need a lot of actual money.
The bit I still don’t understand with EVs is how the second hand market will work. Clearly there will be lots of EVs ending their initial lease period soon and start coming to the market. But who is going to buy them. How is anyone going to know if the battery is good for another 2 months or 5 years. How much will replacements be, as I would want to be factoring that into any second hand purchase. That’s before you start to factor in your ability to sell it on aging at some point in the future like you would with a normal car.
eagerly awaiting updates from Tusker/dealer on delivery date for mine. It has been showing as estimated as late July for a few months (ordered in Feb this year) with a status of 'on order awaiting build slot'. I noticed earlier today it now has a chassis number, so fingers crossed that means it's getting a bit nearer .. !
The bit I still don’t understand with EVs is how the second hand market will work. Clearly there will be lots of EVs ending their initial lease period soon and start coming to the market. But who is going to buy them. How is anyone going to know if the battery is good for another 2 months or 5 years. How much will replacements be, as I would want to be factoring that into any second hand purchase. That’s before you start to factor in your ability to sell it on aging at some point in the future like you would with a normal car.
all of their batteries will be under manufacturer warranty for another 4-6years. As such, there’s far less to go wrong where you’d have to foot the bill for it. The battery is around 25-30% of the cost of a £45k car and that’s insured. EVs are actually a safer bet than than an ICE within the extended battery warranty period.
How is anyone going to know if the battery is good for another 2 months or 5 years
It's not like a laptop or a phone; whilst the battery chemistry is the same the way they are managed is different - obviously when you think about it. Car manufacturers don't build cars where the battery is going to randomly pack up or drop to 50% like your phone does - of course not. The battery management, particularly temperature regulation, is the key. Also the fact it's modular - you can replace a few cells or modules, not the entire thing. They also add some extra headroom on top so if you lose 5% of capacity you never know.
The car will report the battery health, and that's what you'll have to check when you buy the car. There are many cars out there (mostly older Teslas) with proper high mileages on, that have 80-90% battery health and those are old cars that likely don't have the most up to date battery management tech. Lots of Hyundais out there with 100k miles and no battery degradation. Every EV forum has a sticky thread on this.
I may have missed seeing it, but what do people think of the e-berlingo?
I currently have a 11year old ford mondeo estate, diesel, 80,000 miles+. Its gone in for another expensive (to me) repair, this time an injector for one of the pistons. Previously the brakes and shocks 6months before.
I don't want to replace it, but I'm wondering if expensive repairs are now going to be a regular thing. Which is making me think about changing. I'm traveling around Manchester a lot, and I'm sure that an emissions charge like London will be coming soon (I think there is a commercial vehicle one currently planned)
Looking around there aren't many big electric estates around, with only MG and Porsche making them. But I have seen the Eberlingo XL, which looks like it would tick the box for big estate.
Range is 170miles, which for most days is fine.
I don’t want to replace it, but I’m wondering if expensive repairs are now going to be a regular thing.
Not necessarily. Remember that car parts are mostly independent of each other, with some exceptions - so if you replaced the injectors you now have a car with new injectors, and they won't fail again. It's not going to cause the turbo to fail or the lambda sensor or whatever.
Re estates there will be an estate version of the VW iD7 after some time and also the BMW i5 I think, but they won't be cheap for a long while. The MG is a well regarded car though.
We looked at the ID3 (my BIL has the first gen) but couldn't make the numbers add up. A month into MG4 ownership we're happy with that choice. Wide sills, LA apart, really nothing we don't like.
Home chargers tho. Well that was fun. Here are 900 words on exactly how much fun it wasn't 😉
https://www.pickled-hedgehog.com/electric-schemes/